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Karl Rove “Proud” U.S. Tortured Detainees

Karl Rove says he is “proud we used techniques that broke the will of these terrorists… Yes, I’m proud that we kept the world safer than it was, by the use of these techniques. They’re appropriate, they’re in conformity with our international requirements and with US law.”

Of course, the U.S. did a lot of nasty things to its detainees, at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, and a lot of what it did amounted to torture as defined by any decent human being.

What Rove was specifically focusing on, though, was waterboarding, which he does not consider torture. This is how they get around it. Bush repeatedly said the U.S. doesn’t torture, but it only doesn’t torture if you don’t consider waterboarding torture. It’s just a form of “enhanced interrogation,” a horrible euphemism.

But it is simply incorrect to assert that what the U.S. did conforms with “international requirements” (under the Geneva Conventions) and American law. Unless, of course, in this case, you define waterboarding down — that is, unless you lie about what waterboarding is.

Well, a lot has been written about waterboarding, including by some who have experienced it, but Mark Benjamin’s recent “Waterboarding for dummies” piece at Salon graphically exposed the brutal truth about waterboarding and the use thereof by U.S. interrogators. It’s a must-read, though a deeply disturbing one.

It’s hardly the harmless “dunk in the water” Cheney said it was:

[R]ecently released internal documents reveal the controversial “enhanced interrogation” practice was far more brutal on detainees than Cheney’s description sounds, and was administered with meticulous cruelty.

Interrogators pumped detainees full of so much water that the CIA turned to a special saline solution to minimize the risk of death, the documents show. The agency used a gurney “specially designed” to tilt backwards at a perfect angle to maximize the water entering the prisoner’s nose and mouth, intensifying the sense of choking – and to be lifted upright quickly in the event that a prisoner stopped breathing.

The documents also lay out, in chilling detail, exactly what should occur in each two-hour waterboarding “session.” Interrogators were instructed to start pouring water right after a detainee exhaled, to ensure he inhaled water, not air, in his next breath. They could use their hands to “dam the runoff” and prevent water from spilling out of a detainee’s mouth. They were allowed six separate 40-second “applications” of liquid in each two-hour session – and could dump water over a detainee’s nose and mouth for a total of 12 minutes a day. Finally, to keep detainees alive even if they inhaled their own vomit during a session – a not-uncommon side effect of waterboarding – the prisoners were kept on a liquid diet. The agency recommended Ensure Plus.

And so on.

Remember that the use of this “enhanced” technique, a favourite of the Nazis, was approved at the highest levels of the Bush Administration (as well as by the Republican congress).

You have to be an utter ignoramus to think waterboarding isn’t torture. (Maybe Rove has convinced himself it isn’t, or maybe he knows it is but spins his denials anyway, or maybe he really is that ignorant.)

And you have to be an utterly despicable human being, not even really human at all, to be “proud” of using torture, this and other forms of it, to inflict pain and suffering on, and to break, another human being.

(Cross-posted from The Reaction.)



7 Responses to “Karl Rove “Proud” U.S. Tortured Detainees”

  1. jeff_pickens says:

    The only way to diffuse a real conversation about torture and potential war-crimes is to tie this in with some patriotic valor and honor (ie wrap a flag around it,) keep talking about (and expounding “proudly”) how it helped us win the war and keep America safe, and to bring in as much McCarthy-level suspicion to people who question it, Americans who actually want to have the conversation about whether or not this is a good thing for America's soul and integrity, or more pragmatically for America's safety.

    That seems to be Rove's way of doing things, all things political all the time. It's his life-history. It seems to me that this is 100% Rovian, all disagreements were politicized to the “with us or against us” constant campaigning, and even after he should be out of sight and far out of mind, he's still fighting the GWB campaign. To keep it as a purely political issue is to keep people from being criminalized. Will this man ever go away?

    Is there a way torture can be methodically evaluated, or should it be? Are there real data on whether or not this has led to foiled terrorist plots or to quantifying American lives saved? Is the human moral outrage factor, the damage that might be done to a national psyche, more important than the 1% doctrine?

  2. Sick degenerate fascist acts like a sick degenerate fascist. Either way, this direction is going to a spontaneous collapse or some dialectal rebuke.

  3. DLS says:

    I always considered Cheney, whose competence I generally respect, odd for being so preoccupied with trying to justify torture. (I don't believe it necessarily is out of fear of prosecution for criminal conduct.)

    Why Rove would do this, I don't know.

    He's scheduled to be on Charlie Rose's show tonight so perhaps next week we can “enjoy” a video of it. (Will he discuss torture in his appearance? We shall see.)

  4. Zzzzz says:

    Unfortunately, Cheney, Rove and Yoo won't stop lying, spinning and crowing until they are on trial for war crimes. That day can not come soon enough for me.

  5. Schadenfreude_lives says:

    That day will never come. Welcome to realpolitik.

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  7. JSpencer says:

    Rove continues to give further demonstration of what many of us have know all along. That he is a miserable, soulless parody of a human is bad enough, that he represents the USA is unforgivable.

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