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Quote of The Day: Joe Scarborough On The Politics Of Partisan Hate

Our political Quote of the Day comes from former Republican Congressman and MSNBC talk show host Joe Scarborough who had this to say:

In an appearance Sunday on NBC’s Meet the Press, Scarborough offered Ronald Reagan as a model of temperamental moderation, saying, “We need to be conservative, but like Reagan. … We can’t scare little kids.” On his own MSNBC program the next day, he emphasized again, “They’ve got to drop the hate.”

“If you know you’re right, then why be angry?” Scarborough asked calmly. “I do a radio show, and a lot of callers that call in expect me to scream and yell and say I hate President Obama. Being against his policies, for some reason with a lot of people in the base that’s not enough. They want you to hate the man.”

….“If you’re mature enough,” Scarborough continued,” you realize Barack Obama doesn’t hate America, I don’t hate America — we just have different views of how to make America a better place And if you look at history over 250 years, that’s worked out pretty well.”

Scarborough and his guests were unable to agree, however, on the source of the current extreme polarization. Scarborough noted that “politics has been war, a nasty, bloody war for a very long time,” but he also suggested that Republican hatred for Obama now is a reflection of Democratic hatred for George W. Bush.

“They say, ‘Look what they did to us!’” Scarborough commented. “A lot of Republicans saw a lot of really unfair, nasty things said about George W. Bush … and so now Republicans want to pay back.”

The problem is: a lot of people who are not Democrats are also concluding that much of this is payback, which undercuts any substantive message the GOP has and also limits effective coalition-building. It’s hard to win over moderate and/or independent swing voters when a policy message gets drowned in a throat filed with bile. And having Rush Limbaugh as your poster boy doesn’t help.

The GOP will likely change its tone if it loses an election or two and someone emerges from the GOP ranks who isn’t a tired, stale voice or face tied to the Vietnam-era-hubris-carrying baby boomer generation, or the first or second Bush administrations or Bush family. That lets Jeb out.

  • dmf
    well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black...
  • kritt11
    OK- to be accurate the right started it first by hating everything Clinton did and stood for and tried to blame his administration for everything that went wrong during W's tenure.

    Also, there were good reasons for Bush's unpopularity his policies were disasterous for our country. Don't forget that --- he was also unpopular among Independents and even a third of his own party. He governed by and for the extreme right base and not for the ordinary Americans who put him in office.
  • muzza
    Sometimes there are two sides to an issue.
    Sometimes there are nine.
    Sometimes there is only one.

    Republicans screwed everyone over, including many of their own.
    They failed to protect us
    And they let their buds escape out the back door with all the money.
    The End.
  • StockBoySF
    It's easy for the Republicans to believe that the Democratic Party was against them.... It was the Republicans who said, "You're either with us or against us" in attempting to get everyone on their side.

    The Republicans believe that if you don't think like them, then you're against them. But as Scarborough said (and I agree with), "If you’re mature enough, you realize Barack Obama doesn’t hate America, I don’t hate America — we just have different views of how to make America a better place And if you look at history over 250 years, that’s worked out pretty well.”

    Once the Republicans realize this then they will be willing to negotiate.... After all they only represent a minority of the people and the majority of Americans do not like their policies or beliefs. If the GOP wants anything they'll come to the table and be adults over differences.
  • DaGoat
    I think the whole "who started it" game is futile. There were plenty of Democrats that hated Reagan, plenty of GOP that hated Clinton, etc, etc. The key is to stop that cycle of knee-jerk opposition coming from both sides. How to do that I have no idea.
  • Don Quijote
    The key is to stop that cycle of knee-jerk opposition coming from both sides. How to do that I have no idea.


    Step 1 - Take Limbaugh and all of his immitators of the radio.
    Step 2 - Make Fox news an "a la carte" cable channel (actually make all of cable "a la carte").
    Step 3 - Make it so that the economy does not consist of a handful of winners (3% to 5% of the population) and losers (everyone else).

    If all else fails

    Invent time machine.
    Go back to 1860, convince Lincoln to let the south secede.
    Expand North into Canada.
  • DaGoat
    Good suggestions DQ but they seem focused towards only one party.
  • Don Quijote
    Good suggestions DQ but they seem focused towards only one party.


    That's because there is no Democratic equivalent to Fox News, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, etc...
  • AustinRoth
    kritt - OK- to be accurate the right started it first by hating everything Clinton did and stood for and tried to blame his administration for everything that went wrong during W's tenure.

    You are SO right. I mean, I remember all the love and respect the Left showed Reagan.

    Oh, wait, not I don't, because they didn't.
  • kritt11
    AR- You must be kidding!
    The left didn't try to blame Clinton's problems on Reagan, and he was
    treated amiably by key Democrats in Washington- whereas the right went after
    Clinton like a hound dog scenting a rabbit! Remember who Paula Jones' atty
    was? Ann Coulter!

    Remember the hundreds of congressional investigations???(even one into
    Socks the Cat's correspondence!)

    Impeaching him for crimes that seem very minor in the light of the
    Bush/Cheney years?
    Oh- pls- Reagan was treated well in Washington. He was called the "Teflon"
    President because nothing stuck to him.
  • BBQ
    MSNBC, Keith Olberman, Michael Moore, Janeane Garofalo, etc ...
  • Don Quijote
    Not even in the ballpark...

    MSNBC is not the democratic version of Fox News, FreeSpeech TV might be, but who except a bunch of lefties know about it?

    Olberman is an overpaid employee who works for GE, not exactly a Left wing Corporation, the very same corporation who went out and fired Phil Donahue when he decided that he was against the Iraq war despite having some of the best ratings MSNBC had at the time (Would not want to let some peacenik stand between GE and some easy blood money).

    Neither Moore nor Garofalo have the audience that Rush and Company have, nor do they have anywhere near the influence on the Democratic party that Rush has.
  • Polrap
    Think back, on the Reagan years, yes the left had issues with Reagan, but never never, had the left go out of it's way to have Reagan Fail. Even with all the evidence in the Iran Contra that could have supported an Impeachment. But the speaker of the house put a stop to it. His reason for the stop was he thought the country could not go through another impeachment, so soon after Nixon. That speaker was great Tip Oneil. reagan, was even quoted as saying, I like working with Tip, he states want he wants, but doesn't expect to get everything he wants. Read your history, know the facts.
  • AustinRoth
    Polrap - that is a valid point, but this thread has not been about how the upper political leaderships interacted, but rather mainly about the chattering class and rank-and-file opposition towards the sitting Presidents form the other party.

    But there is no way you can claim the Left was 'kind' to Reagan. Tip took a ton of heat for standing up to them, in fact, somewhat akin to what Obama is already facing, and likely will, as he is not interested in show trials and after-the-fact impeachment, either.
  • iviewit
    Morning Joe and His Bride of Frankenstein Mika are part of the Council on Foreign Relations and the spokespersons. Joe uses Rock n' Roll as his motif and yet he is the antithesis of that genre. Mika has her father and Richard Haas (Pres of CFR) on their show weekly, this group has an agenda to subvert the US Constitution and replace it with fascism for elitist spoiled children like Joe and Mika. Zbignew Brezinski is the person who started the Afghan war for Russia and the US, he is Rockafella's be-atch and they have one agenda to subvert Repub and Dem parties into one party, the Grand Ole Nazi Party (GONP). Look at America, we now look like Nazi's, complete with torture videos and photos, wars of aggression based on lies, concentration camps (Gitmoschwitz and Abu grave) and the removal of the Peoples’ rights (removal of habeas, the antipatriotic act, etc.). Zbignew backed Obama to power, he plays either side well, he backed Bush and then when things went sour he switched like the gay ole man he is. Lies, lies and lies, all spun mostly by the CFR and propagandized to the American Idiot by people like Joe and Mika. These same Nazi’s are also behind the financial market manipulation to rob the people and bankrupt the People. __The People must rid the government of those who belong to anti American cults like Skull and Bones and CFR, they truly are ruining the country and laughing all the way to the bank, while stealing grandma's 401k. They are sick and demented people who have usurped democracy for personal gain, as they are too wrapped in their elitist (unearned unless you call daddy earning it) delusions of grandeur to have a day job and earn a living, so ripping off hard working Americans is their only way. Imagine, this New World Order based on Hitler’s philosophies is the best our Ivy League kids could come up with in their secret (not so secret anymore) cults.__Joe and Mika should be tried with the rest of these anti Americans’ for their part in spreading falsified propaganda that they get spoon fed to them from the CFR controllers of the media. Stand up America now before we go further into Nazi America and forever regret our complacency to these idiots. War criminals that conspire to usurp democracy should be tried for treason, war crimes and conspiracy. Anyone who thinks torture is ok is a tortured soul and was most likely a part of the conspiracy, Joe, Mika and the whole crew of Fox (Fixed) News should thus be tried for conspiracy to manipulate and promulgate false propaganda to go to war and to cover up for war criminal like Zbignew and his buddies. If guilty, hang them high, as no one is above the law, although they are trying hard to get such status. Obama and his flip-flops on torture and now military commissions, shows he is getting his marching orders from the same folks who gave Bush his. __As always, nooses for the hangings free @ www.iviewit.tv__Best - Eliot Bernstein__Iviewit__Inventor__PS - All these news casters who have no journalistic integrity should be shut down, along with the new lip servicing playboy models who spew out whatever is fed into their ears by those behind the scenes, let's get journalism back with investigative reporters who are unafraid to take on real reporting on real news.
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