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Posted by on Nov 15, 2006 in At TMV | 23 comments

UPDATED & MOVED UP: About Iran’s Ambitions

UPDATE: Netanyahu’s speech on Monday was carried on Israel’s Army Radio and the transcript has been reproduced in Ha’aretz. I urge you to read or watch his speech.
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Former Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu made a speech yesterday at a major Jewish convention in Los Angeles CA. Netanyahu was Ariel Sharon’s competition from the far right. He is a wily politician and very US-telegenic, I’ve heard him speak. I don’t support him politically but nonetheless think he’s right about the danger from Iran.

JTA:

Iran is planning to develop 25 nuclear weapons per year, ultimately with a range to reach the United States, Benjamin Netanyahu told the North American federation system’s annual gathering.

You can watch his speech HERE.

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  • Elrod

    I don’t take what Netanyahu says seriously.

  • Holly in Cincinnati

    …and why not?

  • two_shoes

    The end of the hard-line is harder enemies. Is this too hard to understand? Are lessons never learned?

  • C Stanley

    two_shoes:
    The end of the hard-line is harder enemies. Is this too hard to understand? Are lessons never learned?

    two_shoes,
    The problem is that the corollary is not true: the other end of the hard line does not lead to softer enemies. It’s finding the correct place along the line and the correct way to deal with ones enemies that is the key.

  • two_shoes

    C Stanley,
    Very true.

    It doesn’t have to be carrot or stick (the ends of the line). Carrot/Stick is a condescending metaphor, and presumes that humans only make decisions on a selfish and base animal level.

    It is possible to appeal to humans with intellect and ideals. Iran, I think, has really bought into the idea that nuclear power and even nuclear weapons are symbols of independence and strength. If all offers to Iran are ones that reduce their sense of independence and strength, they are doomed to failure in both the short and long terms.

    What I do not understand, is the diplomatic strategy where you set preconditions for negotiation; that your opponent must tear up their strongest cards, before the game even begins. It is quite predictable that your opponent will just say “f it then, go to hell”.

  • Holly in Cincinnati

    Iran Offers to Arm Enemies of Israel with Rocket Arsenal (Telegraph-UK)
    Yahya Rahim Safavi, the commander-in-chief of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, last week offered to arm neighboring countries in the Middle East with sophisticated missiles for use in battle with the “Zionist regime” of Israel. Iran has also offered to open its armory to the official Lebanese army, providing air defense systems that could target Israeli planes.

  • Holly in Cincinnati

    Report: Iran Has Secret Nuclear Fund (UPI)
    Iran has a secret $418 million slush fund for expansion of its nuclear operations, the German magazine Der Spiegel reports.
    The information came from telephone calls made by a top Iranian official on a line tapped by a Western intelligence service.
    The money is to be used to safeguard Iran’s nuclear sites from attack by moving nuclear operations into tunnels, to build additional centrifuges, and to construct a new nuclear plant at a secret location.
    Farhad Rahbar, vice-president and head of the planning and budget organization and a director of the Control Center for Nuclear Issues, reportedly wrote a clause authorizing the secret fund into the budget, allowing him to increase military spending by 30%.

  • Holly in Cincinnati

    Former Israeli Intelligence Official Warns of Iran’s Nuclear Goals – Olivia Ward
    Iran wants to create a new global power base by producing nuclear weapons, says retired Brig.-Gen. Yossi Kuperwasser, former head of Israel’s military intelligence research division. “The Iranians want to change the world order….They want the most important element, that makes them a superpower, in their hands.” “From our understanding of the Iranian leadership, they believe that possession of a nuclear weapon would increase significantly their ability to export the Iranian revolution. That is what they care about most,” he added. (Toronto Star)

  • Orakio717

    Hello Holly.

    It’s always good to back up arguments with sources. But the sources themselves have to be vetted for veracity and impartiality.

    Of the three sources in your comments, two are highly controversial in that they are widely perceived as conservative – The Telegraph and UPI, at least by Wikipedia (And as you might know, UPI is owned by the Unification Church). Of course Wikipedia itself is not a definitive source by any means. But as a barometer of popular opinion, it serves the function very superbly. So what I’m trying to say is the two papers’ controversial reputation themselves undermines their own credibility and it is always preferable to cite from sources that are as neutral as possible, or at least can be argued to be as neutral as possible, in so much as human reasoning is capable of attaining. What every person wants to read is of course a matter of personal choice. But when trying to persuade others, wouldn’t you agree that a higher standard should be called for?

    PS: As for the Toronto Star, I would guess it’s position is somewhat ambiguous. Again if judging by popular opinion in Wiki, it seems to straddle a wide and varying spectrum of opinions, both conservative and liberal at different times. But some might argue it’s still too left-wing so you might want to take that into account.

  • Rudi

    Holly says:

    The money is to be used to safeguard Iran’s nuclear sites from attack by moving nuclear operations into tunnels, to build additional centrifuges, and to construct a new nuclear plant at a secret location.

    According to reputable sources Iran only has 360 centerfuges up and running. Only half of them have ever enriched U235. It would be hard to hide a reactor. Ben Nutanyahu is as credible as Dick Chenney.

  • corvus

    Is bebe still trying to free Jonathan Pollard?

    Bebe has supported spying on the United States in the past and now he’s encouraging them to bomb Iran.
    Everytime Bebe comes to America he takes more than he gives, but worse he acts entitled. Americans should be very,very wary of this man. Israeli’s should keep an eye on him too. 🙂

  • Holly in Cincinnati

    As I said, Bibi’s a wily politician. Nevertheless, I have maintained all along that Iran is MUCH closer to nuclear weapons than any of the predictions. Iran is far more dangerous than you realize, wake up!

    The article links I provided were abstracted by Daily Alert. I’m sure more can be found from sources YOU like.

  • corvus

    Didn’t Ehud Olmert once say bibi was Corrupt and mentally unbalanced?

  • Holly in Cincinnati

    Bibi probably says that about Olmert also. Israeli politics gets fairly nasty.

  • corvus

    Many people were disturbed by the following bibi quote:

    “He warned that assimilation and intermarriage would threaten the future of Diaspora Jewry and said the Nahal haredi program was the answer to the rifts inside Israeli society. Netanyahu told participants to do everything possible to prevent assimilation in their communities, but said Israel is what is keeping the Jewish people together.”

    Have you assimilated into your community Holly?

    Do you agree with bibi in this regard?

  • Holly in Cincinnati

    That’s actually a complicated question. Many Israeli politicians do not understand the vitality of American Jewry and keep saying stuff like this. The overwhelming majority of religious Jews in the US are not Orthodox but rather Reform, Conservative, Reconstructionist, Renewal or Humanist. We provide most of the financial support of Israel by US citizens.

    I’m not assimilated in the sense that I keep kosher and remain very Jewish. I’m assimilated in the sense that I’m involved with non-Jews every day in a variety of ways for a variety of reasons. When I eat meals with my Christian friends and professional associates, I go vegetarian.

  • Rudi

    From JTA:

    Netanyahu: It’s 1938 again
    Iran is planning to develop 25 nuclear weapons per year, ultimately with a range to reach the United States, Benjamin Netanyahu told the North American federation system’s annual gathering.

    “It’s 1938 — and Iran is Germany,� the Likud Party leader said repeatedly in an address Monday to some 5,000 delegates at the United Jewish Communities’ General Assembly in Los Angeles.

    This BS about 25 nuclear weapons and ICBM is a complete lie. It is more absurd and inflammatory than the “Chenney mushroom cloud” statements before the Iraq war. Iran currnetly waved GRAMS of U235 at a staged event. Their engineering is 5 to 10 years awway from a couple of gun type bombs. These don’t fit onto ICBM becuse of size and instability. Bebe is a LIAR with no credibilty.

  • Laura

    Predictably there are those who will sneer or simply dismiss Bibi’s warnings because of the fact that he is a hardliner and hawk, as if there’s anything wrong with that. But he speaks the plain truth as anyone should know from ahmadinijad’s own words and actions. I guess the western left will not be convinced of the threat until our cities are incinerated. It is not wise to dismiss such warnings because it comes from an Israeli hawk or a Republican in America.

  • Then IDI needs to stop selling Weapons Technology to China who in turn sells weapons to the Iranians and Saudis.

  • Rudi

    Yes Laura the Norks will sell Iran and others their missiles that explode on liftoff and the Pu implosion bombs that fizzle. Bebe is LIEING to push his agenda on US soil, maybe he’s not welcome or trusted on Irsaelis soil? Please explain to me how grams of LEU can be a threat.

  • corvus

    When it was convenient for him bibi proclaimed Iraq to be Israel’s biggest threat. Bibi should be working harder on Israel’s economic issues instead of promoting wars ..but then again Israel does sell allot of weapons, so maybe he’s doing both.

  • dittohead

    Holly:

    I’ve always admired you because you want a solution to the Muslim problem.

    Now sme might say if we bomb Iran that they will use their Iraqi militias to block supply lines to our troops and then disrupt world oil. But that only gives us a good excuse to use nukes and arrest all the traitors at home. You are an advocate for the future Jesus wants.

  • kreiz

    Two Shoes: you wrote: Carrot/Stick is a condescending metaphor, and presumes that humans only make decisions on a selfish and base animal level. It is possible to appeal to humans with intellect and ideals. I view Iran’s existential threats toward Israel as, well, base animal level behavior. (Guess that makes me a wild-eyed neocon or a cool realist, depending upon one’s perspective). It’s difficult to appeal to higher intellect and ideals in light of this. So bring out the carrots and sticks- what few we actually have left vis-a-vis Iran.

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