THIS JUST IN! Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate (OOPS! Wait a minute …)
THIS JUST IN!!! Obama’s real Kenyan birth certificate has been discovered! OOPS…Wait a minute…Or has it?
The birthers, a growing movement of GOPers who are trying like crazy to find something — anything — to delegitimize Barack Obama’s election and presidency while being fanned on by increasingly paranoid talk show hosts such as Glenn Beck and some Republican politicians, are at it again. There is THIS BIG NEWS! about a birth certificate proving Obama was actually born in Kenya. How about that? A President not only not born in the U. S. of A but in A-f-r-i-c-a.
There seems to be one little problem so far. Just as conservative bloggers seemingly made mince meat out of the accuracy of CBS-touted documents that some insisted would supposedly politically destroy George W Bush, some maintream conservative bloggers and liberal bloggers now seem to be in the process of making mincemeat out this latest birther excercise in trying like crazy to find something — anything — to delegitimize Barack Obama’s election and presidency..
To wit:
–Political scientist Steven Taylor, about as solid an analyst and blogger as you’ll find, writes this:
For some odd reason, the document is dated 1964 (Obama was born in 1961) and yet this document appears to mean more to the Birthers at WND than do contemporaneous birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers at the time and the official birth certificate as issued by the state of Hawaii.
It also appears to be the case that Kenya did not declare itself to be the “Republic of Kenya” until December 1964, yet the document in question is dated February 17, 1964 and uses the phrase “Republic of Kenya” (see here). Still, this is clearly a more compelling document than those issued by those good-for-nothing, untrustworthy Hawaiian bureaucrats who are obviously in on the conspiracy to install a foreigner in the White House!
Update: LGF has what might in fact be the real Birth Certificate!
–Kos himself, writing at Daily Kos, has THIS LONG MUST-READ POST with specific details (some hilarious) suggesting that this document is not going to go down in history as the document that removed Obama from the White House.
–The conservative blog The Jawa Report has a lot to say including this:
Seriously – for those still clinging to the Birther fable – knock it off. It’s not good for your sanity. You’re wrong, the evidence does not support the conspiracy claims, and you’re making it harder for us out here who are trying to fight bad policy instead of chasing and battling windmills and shadows.
Step away from “the light” and come back to Earth.
--Conservative blogger Tom McGuire, who has suggested he’s open to a good argument on this issue, also seems to be shaking his head:
So where did this document supposedly come from? It was issued on Feb 17, 1964. To whom, and why? No explanation is offered. How did it happen to be saved all these years? No explanation.
FWIW, Ms. Dunham and Mr. Obama were divorced in January 1964. Why would someone from the Kenyan side of the family want Baby Barack’s birth certificate a month later? But who from the Dunham side of the family would have requested it, saved it, and eventually pitched it to Taitz?
From another direction, some font expert may be able to opine on whether the fonts in use were available in 1964. But all that can do is discredit the document. Offhand, the only way I can think of to validate the document would be to have some Kenyan official do so. Good luck.
–Media Matters is having fun with this “revelation.”
--Pam’s House Blend:
The weak-minded Birther movement cares little about facts — they accept any fantasy explanation as they go along. They watch head birthers Darth Lou Dobbs and Orly Taitz wield their store-bought lightsabers in the air and the knuckle-dragging Birthers shout “YES!” in unison. They get all stirred up by the latest “evidence” regarding the President’s imagined birth in Kenya…then the facts undo the fantasy.
–Doug Mataconis has a detailed must-read debunking of the certificate and writes:
Something tells me that the birthers are going to be sadly disappointed when this one is revealed for the forgery it most likely is.
PREDICTION: The impending failure of this to be the smoking birth certicate won’t make a bit of difference.
What is really at play is not an effort to show a fact but a burning desire to find something to delegitimize Obama and cast into doubt the entire 2008 election. It’s like the intense beliefs some cling to about the grassy knoll; the assertion by racists (who claimed what they were saying didn’t mean they were racists) in the 1960s that Martin Luther King, Jr. was really, definitely, unquestionably a full-fledged Communist and working with Moscow; or Oliver Stone’s totally unproven assertion that LBJ was involved in the Kennedy assassination.
And, yes, I know there are You Tubes about LBJ’s supposed role in Kennedy’s death. But there is also this birth certificate as well.
During the Bush administration I had someone who insisted she knew the “facts” about Dick Cheney. She rattled off a series of shocking allegations that weren’t just way out there but in another galaxy. She was convinced they were true: she heard them and they were never denied by Cheney. I’m not a fan of Cheney’s but I wondered the next time she said anything to me as fact, I tuned her totally out.
And that’s the problem for the GOP if this remains unchecked and unrepudiated. Strongly.
It’s the notion that if you don’t like someone and lose an election then you scramble in a frenzy to find some way to “get” that person personally and take them out, discredit them because that way you can stop their ideas, halt their proactive efforts to implement their policies that you hate, and discredit all of those who you feel were stupid enough or dumb enough to have voted for him (or her) — and advance your own political “sports team.”
So if something the slightest bit hazy comes up, it’s injected with several gallons of political paranoia and bile. It becomes the truth.
And if you’re challenged to come up with something that proves it’s the truth, you leap at it immediately and trumpet it for all the world to see.
This trumpet blast is turning into a massive sour note.
The bad news: Some are really into this and the movement seems to be growing as the GOP leadership and talk radio show hosts (and people such as the no-longer-mainstream CNN’s Lou Dobbs) continue to enable it, rather than use their powers or leadership or influence over audiences to halt it. It makes our political debate not about policies, but all about frantic attempts to “get” those who with whom we disagree.
The good news: There are thoughtful conservatives who are joining with liberals and centrists to put this into perspective and who are asking pointed questions and who want no part of this.
For more reaction GO HERE and keep refreshing it.
And be sure to read THIS via Andrew Sullivan.
99 Responses to “THIS JUST IN! Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate (OOPS! Wait a minute …)”
But this “forged” certificate has a lot more cross-reference material than Obama's short-form. Why would the hoaxer go through all this effort to produce something that could easily be disproven by opening book 44B to page 5733?
All this nonsense would stop if Obama would produce his long-form. Why doesn't he do that Joe Gandelman? Why? For fuck's sake. Why?
Just having some fun, as Joshua Simon “Oh, do you” might say, I'll keep issuing a Kenyan birth certificate until we get one that works.
Just bfor fun, crank the farking bustards up.
Can someone wipe out that racist and stupid first comment? Thanks.
Ah. Blasted while I was posting. Carry on.
No?
i dont think there is racial motivation behind “birther” claims (nice of you to pigeon hole people though).
these claims were being made in the run up to the election last year. yourself and your media buddies washed over the issue then too. no facts have been aired – there simply is no proof either way whether he is eligible or not. it is the proof that people want to see!
this new birth certificate is as unvalidated as the one obama himself issued – however it contains more information than the one he produced.
and regarding the date 1964 – this was the date of his parents' divorce. this certificate was likely requested for use in that – and obviously the court papers dealing with this divorce are all under seal too, with obama preventing their release.
surely by now you're getting a whiff that something is not right..
I just wanted to weigh in here. I'm a moderate independent and have been following the issue of Obama's natural born citizen status as well as various other statements from the Obama administration that don't seem to hold water to me. I am one of many others whose political leanings are irrelevant to this issue, who are curious to know who Obama really is and what he really stands for, and aren't satisfied with the lack of information and/or contradictory information available… I don't get bogged down over it, I am not fanatical over it. BUT… I do want to have answers that I do not yet have. Because the answers to those questions could have a dramatic impact on how I live my life in this country. So I do pay attention. And I think it would be unwise to simply ignore these issues. Ignoring it won't make it go away. It has legs because it does, all on its own. The fanatics are not carrying this one, despite what the news media would have you think.
… and the racist first comment is back again. What the hell?
Those of you saying there could be something to this, that the certificate was issued because of the divorce: puh-lease. Look up “straws — grasping at”. There are several clear problems with this alleged Kenyan birth certificate as described above and in the links.
Boohoo, you're breakin' my heart.
transparency, accountability. this is what people want, but it's not happening despite these were the messages he campaigned on. and his supporters still blindly follow lol.
incidentally, i dont live in the usa, and am not american either. i have been watching this issue since last year.
it's time you questioned your media imho.
“There are several clear problems with this alleged Kenyan birth certificate as described above and in the links.”
Tell us about them, MaryL. What are these “clear problems”.
Birther movement? Come on, doesn't anyone believe in seeking out the truth if a problem with our government arises anymore? For that matter you could call it the truth seeking movement or any other label that is not so hard hitting and derogatory to anything that doesn't suite their Utopian opinion. It is just like the liberals to quickly shut down any questions that arise from conservative America. How can you know it is not a fake? It is not in your hands, you are not a document specialist. If it is found out he has committed fraud in attempt to gain the Presidency, it wouldn't be the first time a President lied or committed fraud. If it is fake America deserves to know. Just like the left attacked “W's” military service, all facts should be known. This is not asking if he cheated on a test in college. This is a matter of constitutional law, a matter that could later on question the legitimacy of our government if we don't follow the guidelines of the constitution. Some of you are living in a fairy-tale Utopia that doesn't exist. Wait and see if it is authenticated first, and if not a first let someone else no affiliated do it again to make sure. Justice needs to prevail in either case unbiased, blind and true.
Liberals will call you an idiot, a moron, a fringe looney, tin foiler, birther, wacko. The name calling in itself should tell you all you need to know about these guys.
There isn't a “long form” so that makes it really hard to produce. Now, someone told someone that Hawaii kept the long forms after they went digital and that they are, and I quote: “Somewhere.” No one else has mentioned this, and the state office said categorically that there were NO long forms at all any more for anyone.
Now, if you want to take this one person's “somewhere” and run with it, be my guest. Remember though, Hawaii is a large, strung out state and that “somewhere” might take a long time to find. But, I assume you have nothing better to do or you wouldn't be worrying about it in the first place…..
orly taitz' court case is effectively asking the state to confirm with Great Britain and Kenya whether the document is legitimate. if it is, there will be another official copy within the records in both countries. Orly is in the UK today so perhaps that is why…
Kenya was made independent from Britain in 1963, and was most certainly styling itself “The Republic of Kenya” by Februarry 1964
and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton touches down in Kenya today in a conveniently well timed 7-nation trip of africa.
all coincedences??
“Ms. Dunham and Mr. Obama were divorced in January 1964″. LIE. Divorce decree dated MARCH FIVE 1964, Custody effective MARCH TWENTY 1964. from a copy of the ACTUAL DECREE OF DIVORCE. Get your facts right. Dated 1964, Obama born 1961, SO WHAT? Probably required fvor the divorce, the timing fits exactly. Besides Obama's FAKE COLB was dated in 2007. “Republic of Kenya” arguement doesn't prove anything. Easy enough to find other BCs to compare it to. We present logic law and facts, you guys call names and present platitudes. You anti-birthers have NO FACTS. Just your insane, blind alliegence to this usurper. I can't understand why.
[...] Californian attorney, Orly Taitz, has just publicly released a copy of the birth [...]
I think the username “jigga my nigga” needs to be blown away. I don't have a problem with his insane comments, but the name is using the phrase “nigga” as a racist insult, not a term of endearment.
just my humble opinion.
The WND posted birth certificate from Kenya, where Obama's mother was photographed in her third trimester I might add, says plainly 1961, not 1964 as suggested in your post. Go back to WND, take off the rose colored glasses, and stop seeing what you want to see.
This issue always seems to devolve in one side calling the other racist or republican…this is unfair to some people because, they're labeled racists though they aren't judging Obama on his skin color but rather his marxist socialist ideologies.
Most people are too ignorant to understand what Obama is doing, so most people can't participate in political discussions and can only label people that disagree with Obama's policies as racists. It's much easier for the layfolk like Joe Gandelman and MaryL to attack messenger with ad homs than attack the data.
Then, there's the fact that most people don't quite understand that this is not a liberal/conservative issue. It doesn't matter which party is put in power. They both answer to an even higher power.
Dems and Republicans can deal with insignificant issues any way they want…the larger issues like illegal warfare in the Middle-East, foreign government destabilization, looting African countries, are all dealt by a more clandestine agglomeration of corporations and wealthy families that own both parties.
People that call others racist or conservative or liberals are living in a lower sphere of consciousness.
Other than Shannon objecting (rightfully) against improper language, glad to see no other regular posters here.
What idiocy.
He, of course, is NOT an American citizen, though. He is indeed an alien, but a REAL alien. Haven't any of you watched the TV show “V”? That was a DOCUMENTARY!!
The truth is out there, hiding in mental hospitals.
Jay-Z hates you, AustinRoth.
I don’t trust ANY politician and almost no one in the media. I still want two answers.
1) Why can't we see his long-form? Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding?
and most disturbingly,
2) Why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there’s a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States.
OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!
There are a lot of quite reasonable people who resent the fact that they took a leap of faith and voted for a lying despot who spoke of transparancy and change in Washington. The transparancy we got: same old Washington cronism undermined by an unaccountable stealth government ruled by “czars”, and a president who is trying to strongarm Congress and an unwilling electorate into transforming the face of American while bancrupting it at the same time using his force of personality and a complicent media to do so. The birth certificate fever is of BHO's own making because Mr. Transparancy has buried all aspects of his personal life from birth to Columbia to personal connections to his health records. He is hiding everything so why am I crazy to wonder why?
He has a long-form birth certificate on file if he was born it Hawaii, just like everyone else. He is the president, so I don't think Hawaii is going to tell him he can't have a copy of his own long-form certificate to prove of disprove his eligibility.
He could post it and be done with this……..he won't.
Something is bad wrong, and it's not the people that are trying to penetrate the veil of secrecy around Obama's past.
>>Other than Shannon objecting (rightfully) against improper language, glad to see no other regular posters here.
What idiocy.<<
Indeed. Nice to see how a story about the birther/teabagger loons will bring the vermin out of the woodwork. And pretty much all of them first-time posters, what a coincidence! Funny how that works, eh? (I would be curious to see what birther conspiracy blog is linking to TMV to bring these thoughtful, intelligent souls over here).
Anyway, just to re-post a comment here, as to why it is never a good idea to answer any of the silly “Why not produce a birth certificate?” questions, that I had posted in another discussion thread a few days ago:
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For a few good reasons why Americans continue to humor the silly teabagger/birthers, here's a blog entry I ran across on TPM recently: (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/repu…) – I did not write this, just copying it from the link above:
Because its equally pointless, I enjoy answering birther challenges as much as they like slinging them. So I'll examine a few of their questions.
Why doesn't Obama submit to the demands of the birthers? The birthers are demanding that Obama prove himself innocent to the unobtainable satisfaction of the birthers on a matter that the birthers have zero evidence Obama has done anything wrong. “Prove yourself innocent.” That's the recipe for a witch hunt.
Submitting to the birthers would make them feel empowered. All this “why doesn't he just fork over the certificate if he has nothing to hide” nonsense is ignorant. The birthers think they have a threat. “Submit to us, or we'll accuse you of something terrible.” It also shows the impossibility of reasoning with birthers, as anyone who understands logic knows that absense of evidence is not evidence.
The birthers have no agenda but to destroy those who disagree with them. There is no search for the truth. There is a search for the most effective lie. The lies and accusations go on forever, no matter what is produced. It can only get worse.
There is no upside to proving anything. If Obama turns over a document that disproves what the birthers claim, the birthers will just call it a forgery, or just plain pretend it isn't there like the newspaper announcements of Obama's birth.
There is no downside to refusing to submit. The public sees the birthers as kooks, so there is no way the birther nonsense will snowball. In fact, the more exposure it gets, the worse Republicans look. Mainstream Republicans know that, so they have to distance themselves. That angers the birthers, who in turn reject the Republican party. The GOP could split.
The funniest part is, the GOP pushed hatred and lies through the right wing media to create a segment of the population that is stupid and furious. Now the GOP is getting strangled by the very Frankenstein they created. They have no way to turn it off.
Why would Obama stand in the way of that?
ALSO: The Constitution provides many safeguards when choosing a president. The last step is the certification of the election by Congress. That's final. If it turned out later that Obama wasn't a citizen, he'd still be president and all his actions would be valid. The only way to remove him is by impeachment. The courts have no power here.
The Nordyke twins were born at almost exactly the same time as O, and they do have long forms that have been published on the web. Hawaii might not be generating long forms for new births now occurring but they certainly were being generated in 1961. I was born stateside in 1954, and all I ever had for years was my long form. They are significant as evidence because they are created by the actual hospital at the time of actual birth with little to no opportunity for falsification. Abstracts (short forms) of the kind offered by O can, under some circumstances, be generated on sworn testimony of persons without requiring the issuer to have direct exposure to the birth event. As for storage, it is standard practice for digitization projects, once complete, to store the paper originals in bulk. The hypothesis that such a storage facility exists is simply an extrapolation of that standard practice and is therefore a reasonable position to take. Sorry.
mlhradio, is a left-wing propaganda spewing liberal. These are the kind of attacks the left give along with insults because that is the only way they can be seen as intelligent. You may see conservatives as “birthers”, we may see you as “anti-American socialist”. Think about it, your views are far removed from traditional America. Read “Liberty and Tyranny” get some true perspective from the principles of our founding. If you don't like it, move to one of the socialist countries back east, there are plenty to choose from. Don't try to change the last shining light of freedom into what the rest of the world tried and failed, a socialist state controlled by the government.
patriotshaun,
Actually “patriot”shaun, we don't just see you as paranoid conspiracy freaks, we also see you as the kind of profoundly anti-American nutjobs who want to bring this government and, thus, our country down because you don't like democracy. You like a government that agrees with you, and you are willing to accept and believe what ever craziness you can to get it, even if it means overturning the popular will. Not accepting the results of this last election and working to undermine it means that you are actively working against the democratic process. You aren't a patriot. You are working against American values.
I would like to know what other presidents had to produce their birth certificates?This Black man with an Swahili first and last name and Arabic middle name,can't be one of us.After all he comes from this exoctic background so he cant be legitmate.
Jon Stewarts explaination makes a lot sense.Barack Hussein Obama Sr.wanted to destroy the USA.So he plotted the USA birth certificate and birth announcements,knowing that Barack Hussien Obama II was born in kenya.He waits for that baby to become a middle age man who becomes president.Bingo you have the real reason Obama is hiding his birth certificate.
The whole thing has made me sad,that I was so wrong about how far we have come as nation.
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the first commenter is not over the line he has fallen off the cliff. . .the F word shrug, but the id name is not at all appropriate. . .
Zzzzz, and you're working for Nazi values.
I find the ordinarysparrow nick offensive. Begone.
John Kerry went through this.
There's always some underlying documentation that, oh why doesn't he just easily answer the questions and release it.
As if!
Remember, folks – don't feed the trolls. It only encourages them.
Burden of proof rests with the man who would be president. It is his job to show he is qualified, and arguably O has come a little short of meeting that burden. This is not a criminal trial, where that state has to show all the elements of the crime have occurred. This is a valid legal requirement to holding a position of great power and authority, and NO one is automatically entitled to that position. Show us your creds or apply somewhere else.
And yes, he absolutely does have to submit to the constitutional authority vested in the people because that is how the system works. It is our show and it is intended that we be empowered. That is exactly what the founders wanted for us, to keep us free from those who would put us back in chains, by creating a system of accountability of the leaders to the people. That's America. Deal with it.
There is an upside to producing indisputable evidence to support a legal conclusion of natural born citizenship. This birther controversy is not harmless partisan fun. I am not a Republican, and many others asking questions come from diverse political backgrounds. But now we have a president who will not release one tiny little piece of paper that will silence those with sincere doubt, and he won't do it. This is causing an unseen crisis inside the military. Factions are forming and doubt of command authority is growing. In warfare, the military runs on fast and effective obedience to command and control. Introduce a paralyzing poison like this, and you seriously endanger our ability to respond to an emergent military crisis. Do you really want the guy in the silo with his finger on the final button to be wondering if his commander in chief is a foreign imposter? Do you realize how bad this is?
As long as the President refuses to quell the storm of doubt, he remains culpable in any adverse effects that might later arise due to this crisis in confidence. I pray he is not doing this deliberately for political effect, such as holding out on revealing dispositive vital records, because it then becomes a crude and evil form of manipulation, and he still remains culpable for any political debilitation that results. I did not think he campaigned on “destroying” his enemies, but on record-breaking “transparency.”
As for redress if it turns out he is proven unqualified, I agree this may be the most difficult problem to resolve. If no legal means of redress can be found, the problem of a country paralyzed by doubt will remain. I am a peace-loving person, but those who are not may feel compelled to resort to desperate measures. I think GWB got away with too many constitutional violations, and it may be O will do the same. Nevertheless, in O's case, the effect on the military could be so bad we could end up with unpredictable military behavior in a serious national or international crisis. It is irresponsible to let this danger grow. He should set that birth certificate free.
Zzzzz, you can think of me what you will. I served my country in the military and serve my community still. And I'm the one trying to bring this country down. Sounds like the rants and same old attacks from the left. You are no different than the rest of the government controlled drones and media. Maybe you can grow up one day and think for yourself. I doubt everyone one feels the same way you do either. I believe in the facts, rule of law and follow. I'm grounded in reality and follow the principle of the founding fathers not some idealistic statest. Have a nice day:)
The bottom line is someone has to prove in court that this Kenyan birth certificate is fraudulent, if in fact it is.
It has more info on it than Obama's “Hawaiian bc”.
The simple way to prove that is to stop concealing the “real birth certificate” with the hospital name and signatures.
Frankly, I don't think there is a real Hawaiian birth certificate that shows Obama actually born in Hawaii or he would have disclosed it by now, rather than paying lawyers million$ to hide it along with his college records, etc.
Old Russian saying…You can tell same lie 1000 time(Ms. Pelosi) but not change truth!
Difference between USSR Communist media and USA “mainstream media”
In Russia government make media say what they want – even if lie.
In USA “mainstream media” try make government what they want – even if lie..
…..eventually they become same thing?!
I Igor produce Obama Birth Certificate at http://www.igormaro.org
ROTFLMAO, Standard Operating Procedure for the Republicans…
Throw enough sh*t against the wall and sooner or later some is bound to stick…
See Whitewater…
Or < a href="http://www.factcheck.org/republican-funded_group_attacks_kerrys_war_record.html" rel="nofollow">Swift boat veterans for truth
springfieldreformer,
Too late dimwit… He is the President of the United States of America, He won the Electoral College and the Popular Vote. That makes him President, get over it…
Bull. Now dissent is bad, because it's coming from the right? Or perhaps you think we should only dissent on broad policy issues and never challenge constitutionally controlled specifics of the political process. But the right of the people to express their grievances is not so constrained. If you think it is, the burden is on you to show us chapter and verse. Where is it written that we cannot call out deception, error, and corruption in the political process itself? I thought that was the duty of the loyal opposition. Question authority, right? Do you know what makes somebody “American?” Buying into the founding legal principles is not a bad place to start. We have a constitution for a reason. A constitution is a commitment of a family of likeminded people to care for each other and an agreement that the best way to do that is to live under a shared set of rules, aka, the rule of law, not men. When you start writing a free pass to violate that constitution anytime you have a dog in the fight, you erode and potentially break that social contract. You invite the chaotic breakdown of the legitimate authority structure. This is bad for everybody. It's bad when either or any party does it. It gives reason for tyrannies to emerge, to fill the void left by the mass exodus from constitutional order. Therefore, defending the constitutional order is among the highest of American values, because the constitutional order is the secret ingredient that gives us our freedom. The zeal to overcome election results that are based on fraud and deceit is entirely consistent with those values and absolutely essential to the maintenance of freedom. That zeal to heal our political process, if tempered with right reason and a civil temperament, is the very heart of patriotism.
springfieldformer, you have a great point! The problem is liberals don't want to hear what is supposed to be, they only care about their ideologies and don't care who they have to step on to make their minority views take precedent over majority. The constitution is nothing but a hurdle in their way. Change? Its just business as usual. In short, they don't care. They are programmed drones that can't think for themselves or just hate what America..
This issue is simply not going to go away until President Obama publicly releases his birth certificate, something he should have done over a year ago.
So if someone gets hired as a lawyer but they don't have a valid license, does that make it “too late” to stop them from practicing law? Or would you be comfortable with finding out, after the fact, that the man you thought was your brain surgeon was actually a used car salesman with a phony medical license?
So riddle me this. What if Kim Jong Il got plastic surgery (let's say he looked like Edwards), got flawless US papers, etc., ran for President, won the popular vote, and won the electoral college. Then we found the smoking gun – a lock of his original hair provided DNA evidence of his real identity. You're telling me we would have to just sit there as the American people and take it while he systematically deconstructed our free markets, our private industries, our world-class health care system, and turned us into his latest North Korean social experiment? Just sit there and do nothing? No redress whatsoever? The air here is rich with the scent of Kool-Aid …
<a href=”http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/b… – Born in the U.S.A.
Doesn't make a damn bit of difference whether Obama shows his Birth Certificate or not, the Birthers will believe what they want to believe no matter what. They just can't get over the fact that a Black man got elected President of the United States.
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