BREAKING: Sarah and Todd Palin To Divorce? (TWO UPDATES)

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Question mark because the reports are not 100 percent solid yet, but the news, which was broken by a local Alaska publication called Alaska Report News and a blog called the Immoral Minority, is starting to be picked up by other blogs and publications, including Mudflats — an Alaskan blog that is highly regarded:

According to The Immoral Minority blog who was the first one out of the chute with this story, and The Alaska Report, known for breaking news on Palin, the Palins’ marriage is on the rocks.  Both outlets stick by their sources in Anchorage and Wasilla.

According to the Immoral Minority’s bombshell post this morning, the Palin’s are calling it quits, she tossed her wedding ring in the lake, she has purchased land in Montana, Todd pulled a gun on Levi Johnston back in the summer of 2008, Levi has given an “explosive” interview to Vanity Fair Magazine, and Sherry Johnston’s court date was pushed up to allow negotiations which were not possible with Palin as governor pressuring for the maximum penalties in her drug case.

More at Memeorandum.

UPDATE: Lots more blogs starting to report in now.  Via Alaska Report, MSNBC’s First Read blog noted the distinct hostility between the Palins at her farewell resignation speech a week ago.  Apparently Sarah Palin left immediately after the speech, with Piper and Trig, leaving Todd behind to find his own way home. Also: The stress on the Palins’ marriage was, according to Alaska Report News, the main reason why Palin quit the governorship.

UPDATE 2: Sarah Palin’s attorney has denied the reports that the Palins are divorcing, according to CBS News.

An attorney for former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has denied a report that she and her husband are planning to divorce.

Sarah Palin’s attorney, Thomas Van Flein, told CBS News that the report of a divorce is “categorically false.”

Sorry for the delay in getting this up. I had family visiting and just got back to the computer.

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Author: KATHY KATTENBURG

  • scubadew

    Yikes, she just can't catch a break, can she? Casts her resignation in a new light, though.

  • leejournell

    Honestly…. at this point nothing would shock me. Divorce is not pretty, nor would i wish it on anyone-especially ones with children. That said, however, the term 'reap what you sow' comes to mind…. even if not true…. it was HER that came out on the national stage when our country, was for the better part, doing very well in handling the touchy subject of a black man vs. a white man running for president. I have to give the GOP and the DEMS alot of credit for not getting too vile….. and then she, who is a adult and made her own choices, and said the most vicious, vitrolic things about anything and everything. I have alot of respect for BOTH parties (i am a dem.) but i have NO RESPECT for her. She was extremely divisive at a time when the nation needed to remain together and calm. She is now reaping what she sowed……. period.

  • kathykattenburg

    Lee,

    I don't agree that she is reaping what she sowed. There is no logical connection between her divisiveness during the election campaign and her divorce. Certainly, the pressures of the campaign probably played a part in increasing the stress from the past affairs that was already there, which put more stress on the marriage. But the idea that she is “reaping what she sowed” implies some kind of divine punishment, and I do not believe that some non-human power is punishing Palin by ending her marriage. That makes no sense to me.

  • DaGoat

    I wonder what Mary Kate and Ashley's take is on this?

  • jchem

    I know its a Saturday, and perhaps we all could just use about anything to talk about, but seriously Kathy:

    increasing the stress from the past affairs that was already there

    And you know of these 'past affairs' how? Perhaps you should do another update; there are a number of posts going up over at memeorandum that shoot this one down. Here's but one:

    http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/08/

  • qwert321

    And what will you do when this report is proven completely fase, Kathy?

    Will you apologize for spreading false rumors and sliming the Palin family?

  • JSpencer

    How could such a thing be possible? I refuse to believe it; afterall, the shot of adrenaline she provided to crashing conservative morale was based on wholesome, down to earth, christian, family values! If it turns out that was all a sham then what will prevent her acolytes from becoming cynical and apolitical?

    OK, all razzing aside, for the sake of her kids I sincerely hope this doesn't turn out to be true.

  • qwert321

    I see a defamation lawsuit in the future. You people really get your rocks off on slandering and misquoting Palin, don't you?

  • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/msr Jazz

    I have a far more solid lead on another story. “Michael Jackson still dead.”

  • qwert321

    Divorce is not pretty, nor would i wish it on anyone-especially ones with children. That said, however, the term 'reap what you sow' comes to mind

    You seem to have your own internal Gates-like narrative on Palin. When did Palin ever say divorce was immoral? Anyway, this is exactly the kind of crap Palin was talking about when she warned you people to “stop making things up.”

    I expect you to apologize to Palin on this message board once this rumor is proven false.

  • tidbits

    Jazz – What about Elvis?

    As for the Palins, I'll wait till the facts come out. Rumors are too easy, and couples, even if contemplating divorce, often change their minds. Let's have a beer and relax until we know what's really going on.

  • casualobserver

    Yet again, some so-called journalists have decided to make up a story. There is no truth to the recent “story” (and story is the correct term for this type of fiction) that the Palins are divorcing. The Palins remain married, committed to each other and their family, and have not purchased land in Montana (last week it was reported to be Long Island).

    Less than one week ago, Governor Palin asked the media to “quit making things up.” We appreciate that the more professional journalists decided to question this story before repeating it.

    Meg Stapleton

    The release is in response to a ludicrous rumor being spread by Alaskan CNN stringer Dennis Zaki. Zaki, who previously bought into rumors of Trig Truth, picked up these allegations from the same source – the rabidly anti-Palin, Trig Truth-espousing anonymous blogger “Gryphen” of the blog “Immoral Minority”. Gryphen is a friend of Zaki's, along with fellow Team Truth members Shannyn Moore, Phil Munger, and “AKMuckraker” of the Mudflats.

  • kathykattenburg

    And you know of these 'past affairs' how?

    Um, it's in the coverage I linked to, jchem. Try reading the links before you imply an accusation that I made something up all by my lonesome.

  • http://www.thepiratescove.us/ William_Teach

    What, no update mentioning that the Palins shot this silly rumor down? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/01/polit

  • qwert321

    So what consequences will Kathy “not 100 percent solid” Kattenburg face from TMV for spreading these false and malicious rumors? Or is TMV just another liberal blog that loves to spread lies against conservatives?

    I still see no update with an apology from Ms. Kattenburg.

  • jchem

    uh, Kathy, sorry I did read your links; but I'm just a bit skeptical with regards to your source. You claim that 'Mudflats' is a highly regarded blog, but if you search around a bit to see what they cover you find a lot of the Trig Trutherism nonsense. You expect me to take their posts seriously with that? And I didn't make any accusations at you. I supplied a link to the CSM so you could perhaps update your original post. You haven't said anything on that.

  • DaGoat

    This appears to be the source Mudflats and Alaska Report are citing. How could anyone doubt a rock-solid source like this?

    http://www.nationalenquirer.com/national_enquir

  • StockBoySF

    Darnit. If I had known this was going to happen and she would be resigning from office I would have voted for her in Nov. so she would now be an official ex-VP. :)

    “The Palins remain married, committed to each other and their family, and have not purchased land in Montana…” Of course- they're not divorced yet.

    As far as the Sarah and Todd going separate ways after her picnic… well wasn't she going to see her lover and he was going to see his girlfriend? :) Sorry- I couldn't resist it.

    I don't know the veracity of the story, but it would be such big news that every blog would want to run with it, since people running blogs don't have legions of reports and researchers to verify stories. If the Sarah and Todd were divorcing it wouldn't surprise me. Sarah has put her whole family through enough already. But I would hope that they sat down and determined that the differences in their marriage were irreconcilable.

    No doubt if this is true we'll see a lot of comparison between her and Hillary. It will be interesting to see how the pro-family values, anti-divorce crowd can spin this so that everyone believes this is really the best choice for the children, and that they are better off without a two-parent household.

  • qwert321

    No doubt if this is true we'll see a lot of comparison between her and Hillary. It will be interesting to see how the pro-family values, anti-divorce crowd can spin this so that everyone believes this is really the best choice for the children, and that they are better off without a two-parent household.

    So what are you people? The anti-family, pro-divorce crowd? Just because people fail to reach the ideal doesn't mean that the ideal doesn't exist. A two parent houehold is still the best for children no matter what the Palins do.

    In any case, why are you still trying to spread a rumor that's already been proven false?

  • qwert321

    Update:
    “Divorce Todd? Have you seen Todd? I may be just a renegade hockey mom, but I'm not blind!”
    – SARAH PALIN, 5:35 p.m. ET

    Qwert321, updating the story with facts while Kathy Kattenburg/TMV sits on their thumbs.

  • http://dlareh.blogspot.com Gherald L.

    Another ridiculous Palin rumor so many people take seriously with so little evidence…Yawn.

    Well, it's not telling us anything about Ms. Kattenburg that we didn't already know. For a “moderate”, she could sure stand to learn some moderation.

  • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/msr Jazz

    Hey! Let's not be cracking wise on the Elvis thing there, tidbits. The dude is ALIVE! I saw him last April at a chili cookoff in Atlanta.

  • Father_Time

    That’s it, she drove Todd gay. The woman is a menace to humanity.

  • archangel

    I guess my two questions are, Where are the hard facts on this story?

    What reliable sources are reporting this?

    I'm still not over that many jumped the gun asserting strongly, or just testing the waters to see if they got a rise out of readers…. with the “Trig is not Gov Palin's baby” when it wasnt true even a little bit.

    If there is a divorce coming, in jounrnalism, it ought be a divorce between fact and fiction…

    Often enough I gain news from newswires, and I note that mistakes can be made in fact, especially from war and disaster zones, civil upheaval… but these are corrected in updates from the newswires, and thence to here at TMV.

    dr.e
    TMV ass't editor/ columnist

  • StockBoySF

    “So what are you people? The anti-family, pro-divorce crowd?”

    No the point I was making is that the pro-family values crowd is anything but when it comes to one of their own. If the Palins do end up divorcing will claim that it's best for the children (and it may very well be).

    But in the meantime when there are two adults ready to adopt a child and raise in a loving environment, the pro-family values crowd says that they can't because the two adults are gay or lesbian. That children should be raised in a household with a married straight couple, even though there are other circumstances where the pro-family values crowd is fine with kids being raised in “non-traditional” (i.e. one parent) households.

    Anyway, I hope all the kids are fine. (As a general observation- not aimed at the Palins) it's a shame that parents do stupid things, like cheat on their spouses, which break up the family and put the children through all sorts of horrible stuff. Poor kids suffer for their parents' mistakes.

  • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/msr Jazz

    Stockboy is entirely in favor of divorce and hates people with families. He told me so at the last meeting of the Anti-American Family Haters United Local 1342.

  • mlhradio

    Serious question, Kathy – Why did you decide to report on this “news” story before all the facts were available, and on a reputable blog like TMV no less. And more importantly, what did you expect to accomplish by even bringing it up? The knee-jerk comments were entirely predictable, and this is not exactly the level of thoughtful discourse one would hope to find here.

    If this rumor turns out to be true, I take no joy in it at all. While I despise the Shrilla from Wasilla intensely, like the overwhelming majority of true Americans, I would never wish such a stressful event on her or the Palin family. Even the hint of such a rumor without **SOLID**, verifiable evidence to back it up is in poor taste. Kathy, you are one of the most level-headed, thoughtful blog contributors on this site; this type of story is beneath you, and I'm disappointed.

  • kristenoconner

    Haha…what a jerk! I can't imagine how crushing it's going to be for Kathy Kattenburg when she finds out the Palins have no intention of getting a divorce.

  • pacatrue

    To be honest, Jazz, I wouldn't attend the Anti-American Family Haters United Local 1342 if it weren't for the sessions on how best to kill old people. I just wish they would move to the next logical step and turn them into food. It's people! It's people!

  • qwert321

    No the point I was making is that the pro-family values crowd is anything but when it comes to one of their own. I

    Name one example where that occured. You seem to forget that the most admired person in conservative circles was a man who was divorced from his first wife.

    But in the meantime when there are two adults ready to adopt a child and raise in a loving environment, the pro-family values crowd says that they can't because the two adults are gay or lesbian.

    I would agree to letting two gay people adopt children that no normal family wants. Is that what you're advocating? Or are you suggesting that two gay parents are equal or superior to the normal two-parent system?

    It is best for the child to have a male and female role model. I'll never agree with you that two gay parents are the equal of two normal parents.

  • davemartin7777

    Maybe she'll go on “Meet the Press” and talk about it.

    Sarah Palin on “Meet the Press” would give “Saturday Night Live” comedic material for weeks.

  • StockBoySF

    qwert321- I never said that anyone hated people whose marriage ends. I think (or at least I hope) that we all, conservative or liberal, Dem or Rep or Green, would want families to stay together.

    And I totally think that having two men or two women raise a child is equal to a man and a woman raising children. There are all sorts of families out there, including many men and women living together, but not married, who are raising children. And there are lots of single moms (for many different reasons) who do their very best to raise their children. I think our goal as a society should be to have children raised in loving and caring environments, and not as wards of the state.

    The one thing about gays and lesbians raising children…. they didn't get married (or the equivalent) to have to raise a kid. They are raising children because they genuinely want to. Whereas I know lots of straight people who got married just because the woman got pregnant. My hope in these situations is that the man and woman love each other and are able to raise the child with as much love and concern as the rest of us who were “wanted” received growing up.

    So yes, I think having two men or two women as parents are just as good as a straight couple. As a general rule “straight” couples are no more (or no less) superior than “gay” couples in raising kids. But there will be instances where any parent- gay or straight- will make mistakes and come up short.

    This isn't a country where the typical family is middle class, the wife stays home while the husband works and she takes care of the kids, the dog and the white picket fence in the suburbs.

  • EEllis

    Or Kathy can take a “Saturday Night Live” skit and her and the rest of the loons can pretend that it's news about Palin

  • mmfwv

    The Palins are not divorcing……….these reports were just more liberal garbage attempting to smear some really fine, hard working and genuine respectible people!

  • StockBoySF

    “You seem to forget that the most admired person in conservative circles was a man who was divorced from his first wife.”

    I'm not sure who you're referring to….

    McCain? Who divorced his disfigured first wife, began seeing Cindy (even while living with his first wife)? And then let's look at the treatment of Obama and his wife and family over the campaign and even now…. Many conservatives call his wife and daughters whores, and attack him too. And this is done when all evidence suggests that Obama is living a good and decent life as a father and husband. I get the feeling that the marriage with his wife is a true partnership. And when he talked to his family about running for president, he told his daughters he would make up his absences with a dog- and he kept his promise to his children.

    Or are you referring to Rush Limbaugh who has had multiple divorces?

    But whoever you're referring to made my point…. “The most admired person in conservative circles was a man who was divorced from his first wife.”

    It's fine for conservatives to push for family values and advocate them, but when one of their own does something that they don't espouse, then they look the other way. And what about Sanford? He preached mightily one thing and promptly did the other. And he's still in office, going yet against something else he “believed” in.

    I personally think it's no one's business whether someone stays married or is divorced (or however else they choose to live their personal lives). But when someone (including conservatives) make the business of others their own business and try to control and pass laws to restrict what other people do, then those people have opened themselves up to criticism.

    That's one attitude I've never understood about conservatives. The conservatives seem to believe: “I'm for a smaller government, personal responsibility and freedom. But I want to be able to tell you what to do and if it means passing laws to make you live your life like mine, then I will let my elected officials know how I feel and do everything I can to make them pass those laws.”

  • StockBoySF

    Jazz: “Stockboy is entirely in favor of divorce and hates people with families.”

    Jazz! You outed me! I thought we agreed that this was a secret organization and that I could quietly recruit people to join the group. My cover's blown! You and I had plans for me being a Manchurian candidate and you'd be my campaign manager. Some political operative you turned out to be. Unless I didn't get the memo about your plan….

    I hope Stormy times aren't ahead of us. Though I'm sure you'd enjoy it. :)

  • DaGoat

    “You seem to forget that the most admired person in conservative circles was a man who was divorced from his first wife.”

    I'm not sure who you're referring to….

    I believe he's referring to Reagan.

  • qwert321

    It's fine for conservatives to push for family values and advocate them, but when one of their own does something that they don't espouse, then they look the other way.

    The most admired person in conservative circles also signed the death warrant for hunderds of thousands of unborn children. He realized what he did was wrong and we accepted his sincere apology. Forgiveness is not “looking the other way”.

    That's one attitude I've never understood about conservatives. The conservatives seem to believe: “I'm for a smaller government, personal responsibility and freedom. But I want to be able to tell you what to do and if it means passing laws to make you live your life like mine, then I will let my elected officials know how I feel and do everything I can to make them pass those laws.”

    We don't want you to live your life like us. On the contrary, we want you people to stop forcing us to live our lives like you want us to. Gays? No conservative is trying to pass laws that ban gays. But liberals are trying to pass laws (through the judicial branch no less) that force people to recognize gay marriage. Health insurance? Hell, you guys are trying to pass a law right now that forces everyone to buy health insurance. So, yes, we are still the party of freedom and you guys are still the party of government control.

  • StockBoySF

    “No conservative is trying to pass laws that ban gays.” Well conservatives are doing everything they can to keep gays as second class citizens, including taking away their rights to marriage (Prop 8 in California took away the constitutional right for gays and lesbians to marry).

    And your comment, “But liberals are trying to pass laws (through the judicial branch no less) that force people to recognize gay marriage” proves my point that you want everyone to live like you do. You don't like gays… that's fine. I could give a rat's ass. But since you believe in freedom then surely you must believe in freedom for all…. not just the people you like or who believe the same things as you.

    It sounds to me as though the only freedom and rights you care about are for people exactly like you. And that's my whole point about conservatives wanting to intrude on others' lives.

    As far as healthcare— yes, Obama does want parents to buy insurance for their children… but the healthcare legislation is still being discussed and all parties, including conservatives, are invited to the negotiation table. No one will be 100% pleased with the final outcome, but the parties who negotiate will have gained something, and will have given up something.

  • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/msr Jazz

    I'm not sure who you're referring to….

    Reagan divorced the amazingly beautiful Jane Wyman in 1949 and married Nancy in 1952. I'm not 100% sure without more coffee, but I think he's the only divorced president. Jane only just died a couple of years ago and insisted until the end that her breakup with Ronny was mostly amicable, they were still friends, and it was primarily caused by disagreements over his choice to pursue a political career combined with the stresses of forming the Screen Actors Guild which they were heavily involved in. There was a pretty good biography on them recently on History Channel or one of those. Worth a watch if you see it being re-run.

  • GeorgeSorwell

    Wow!!

    Birthers are now complaining about lack of consequences!!

  • Father_Time

    KATHY KATTENBURG–

    I'm going to bet that you will have the last laugh. No one could stay married to that goofy narcissist.

  • CStanley

    Um, it's in the coverage I linked to, jchem. Try reading the links before you imply an accusation that I made something up all by my lonesome.

    Why would you need to make anything up by yourself about the Palin's, Kathy, when there's already a cottage industry of bloggers who do that and can be quoted as though their made up stories have some basis in fact?

    While I appreciate Dr. E's thoughtful comment about retractions, I have two questions about that.

    First, how does someone prove a negative in this case? At what point will Kathy have to acknowledge that this was not a factual story? How long would we have to wait to see if any attorneys come forward or any divorce papers are filed, before she will have to say that this was all made up? Will the Palin's have to renew their wedding vows before they can prove they're not divorcing?

    And second, isn't there still some priniciple that says that spreading the story was a wrong that can't even be corrected? I don't know about other parents here, but I teach my kids not to repeat gossip even if they think it might be true- partly because even true stories shouldn't always be everyone's business, and partly because of course a false rumor even when retracted ends up being believed by some people and damages relationships and reputations. A good example of that here is the repetition of the claim that Sarah Palin had an affair- a claim which led to people saying it was justified to open sealed divorce documents of the alleged 'other man', and then no substantiation for the alleged affair was ever found. Yet here, some bloggers still repeat the claim as though it was fact, and now Kathy is also doing so. This is the sort of thing that won't get corrected even if the current story is eventually retracted or a correction issued.

  • GeorgeSorwell

    CStanley–

    This isn't like, for example, the Swiftboating claims against John Kerry.

    A filing for divorce requires legal documentation. When there proves to be no such legal documentation, that will be the proof of the negative.

    This is more like those stories about Angelina and Brad breaking up–unserious.

  • qwert321

    And your comment, “But liberals are trying to pass laws (through the judicial branch no less) that force people to recognize gay marriage” proves my point that you want everyone to live like you do. You don't like gays… that's fine. I could give a rat's ass. But since you believe in freedom then surely you must believe in freedom for all…. not just the people you like or who believe the same things as you.

    First of all, gays have the same freedom as we do to pass laws through the legistalive branch. No one (gay, straight or liberal) should be passing laws through the judicial branch. Second of all, everyone has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. No one has the right (except for the states that passed laws through their legistiatlive branch) to marry a person of the same sex. That is equal treatment under the law.

    School choice through vouchers, less government interference in your business and most of all…the big one…the freedom to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Those are freedoms that are enjoyed by everyone. What freedoms do the Democrat party offer?

  • qwert321

    And your comment, “But liberals are trying to pass laws (through the judicial branch no less) that force people to recognize gay marriage” proves my point that you want everyone to live like you do. You don't like gays… that's fine. I could give a rat's ass. But since you believe in freedom then surely you must believe in freedom for all…. not just the people you like or who believe the same things as you.

    First of all, gays have the same freedom as we do to pass laws through the legislative branch. No one (gay, straight or liberal) should be passing laws through the judicial branch. Second of all, everyone has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. No one has the right (except for the state that passed laws through their legislative branch) to marry a person of the same sex. That is equal treatment under the law. If you want to get into discussions about a right to marry the one you love, you need to change the law through the legislative branch to reflect this new right.

    School choice through vouchers, less government interference in your life and most of all…the big one…the freedom to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Those are freedoms that are enjoyed by everyone. What freedoms do the Democrat party offer?

  • CStanley

    GS- just like a birth certificate is a legal document that can be shown to birthers so that they'll acknowledge that there was nothing to the story they have been pushing, eh?

    Surely you know that people who believe these things will believe them no matter what, and that's why it's wrong to give any credibility to the stories by publishing about them without any real substantiation of facts.

  • GeorgeSorwell

    CStanley–

    When the Palins remain married, it will be hard to seriously claim they are divorced.

    I'm not required to worry about potential weirdness when there is actual weirdness doing its actual damage.

    For example, Obama's birth certificate has been released. You can see it for yourself on the internet.

    When a sensible person like yourself feels entitled to casually claim otherwise–that's cause for concern.

  • CStanley

    GS…WHAT??

    I didn't casually claim otherwise, in fact I just wrote the opposite. I'm stating that there is documentary evidence that the birther rumor is untrue, but people still believe it…just like the evidence that the Palin's are not divorcing will not convince people otherwise.

  • GeorgeSorwell

    CStanley–

    I did misread your comment and I apologize completely and without reservation.

  • CStanley

    Apology accepted, GS.

  • crashright

    There is some unhealthy hatred towards Palin, as evidence in immature commenters pointing out that true Americans do not like her (And how so would you measure a true American? Would a true American support the current and last president who both have spent this country into a recession?) There are politicians (read: overwhelming majority of politicians) that I cannot stand, who are still in office despite being proven to be corrupt (some of these are uber-liberals, so some of their supporters are no doubt Palin-haters yet continue to support corruption – are these people true Americans?) Lackluster logic of these basement dwellers, aside. It is pathetic this website would push such a story. There is more pressing “domestic and international news” than a Palin divorce. I suppose next you will be pushing a story that Bristol Palin has a thing for Todd (since, younger photos of Todd Palin show a resemblance to Bristol's ex Levi Johnston). Is this original reporting, TVM? Report on the important matters at hand, not on somebody who you hold a personal grudge against. Feel ashamed, Kathy. You are falling into the ranks of bloggers who push stories due to their own disgust.

  • vickiq

    Why can't the media and people just leave the woman alone? For God sake, if MSNBC or any other network would take seriously the world situation Sarah Palin would be left alone. I think she is a very intelligent woman and hope she goes after the idiots that started this rumor. Give her a break.

  • richardkrako

    Are we, as a nation, so gullible as to believe everything that is written? If so, I am from Chicago and I know President Obama and he has a “love child” that not too many people know about. I wonder how far will this go.

  • ordinarysparrow

    perhaps we are all being played here??? . . .

    Less than one week ago, Governor Palin asked the media to 'quit making things up. . .

    my question is would it be in Palin's “gottcha” PR resurrenction to set up rumors and situations to prove her point premise; “Poor Sarah Palin if only the media would”guit making things up”??????

    once of the problems with Palin is she is crafty like a fox by not real integral. . . .this entire Palin divorce seems like some media people fell into the foxes trap??? “gottcha'???

  • frankpatterson

    You obnoxious, immoral, bi- – - es and bas- – ds deserve to have the sh-t kicked out of you. If Todd Palin would come down beat the hell our Bill Mahr, Keith Oberman any other coward that attacked his wife falsely I will raise the money for his bail and defense so he can get out and whip them again. If there was ever a need for Tar and feathering to return to popularity it is now and we all know who I'm talking about.

  • StockBoySF

    Jazz, thanks!

  • StockBoySF

    “If you want to get into discussions about a right to marry the one you love, you need to change the law through the legislative branch to reflect this new right.”

    Gays and lesbians had the right to marry under the California constitution until Proposition 8 was passed. Prop. 8 was an amendment to the constitution, banning same sex marriages.

    So gays and lesbians had the constitutional right to marry before conservatives took that right away by amending the California constitution.

    As I keep saying conservatives want others to live like them, even if they have to amend the constitution to do it. That's not freedom for all. That's conservatives being bullies and it's even more bullying because these were rights in the CA constitution. The conservatives were ACTIVELY taking away rights of those they don't like.

  • D. E.Rodriguez

    “You obnoxious, immoral, bi- – - es and bas- – ds deserve to have the sh-t kicked out of you”

    Somebody doesn't know how to spell—uses hyphens instead. Soon he/she will be using *#@&!'s…

  • mlhradio

    >>You obnoxious, immoral, bi- – - es and bas- – ds deserve to have the sh-t kicked out of you.

    Ah, what a class act. Thank you for your thoughtful drive-by commentary.

  • dollslikeus

    I like ehr and her husband I hate to hear that I feel she has a lot of love in her heart but I am sure she will be okay because she walks with God.

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