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McNamara and Rumsfeld: Many Similarities, One Crucial Difference

66443_600.jpgFirst, full disclosure:

Although I have had a change of heart in recent years, as a young military officer during the 1960s, I was a gung-ho supporter of the Vietnam War and I respected the then Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, in spite of the horrendous human toll we and the Vietnamese were paying for that war—in the end, more than 58,000 American and some 2 to 3 million Vietnamese deaths.

As a senior veteran today, I have consistently opposed the under-false-pretenses invasion and occupation of Iraq, and I loathe the former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld because of the unnecessary, horrendous human toll we and the Iraqis continue to pay for that war—to date, more than 4,000 American and probably more than 100,000 Iraqi deaths.

If this seems inconsistent, contradictory, or whatever, so be it.

Secretary McNamara’s death yesterday at 93 has prompted numerous comparisons between two unpopular wars, the Iraq war and the Vietnam War, and between two unpopular defense secretaries, Donald H. Rumsfeld and Robert S. McNamara.

And there are many similarities.

Perhaps the best comparison between the two men, in my opinion, was not written today or yesterday, but almost three years ago in poppolitics.com, on the occasion of Rumsfeld’s firing from the Bush administration in November 2006.

This insightful article, by Richard C. Crepeau “Rumsfeld & McNamara: Macho Tendencies of American Foreign Policy” can be read in full at poppolitics.com.

After blasting Rumsfeld for comparing himself to Winston Churchill, Crepeau starts his comparison as follows:

There are strange echoes in Donald Rumsfeld of Robert McNamara. Both so willing to manipulate, both so willing to dissemble, both paragons of arrogance.

And continues:

McNamara like Rumsfeld became the advocate of force as a means of spreading democracy to the world of dictators — one fighting communists, the other fighting terrorists. Like Rumsfeld, McNamara was certain that Americans were liberators and not imperialists. He too found himself steeped in corruption in the name of freedom. He too was able to fool himself and ignore the realities, because he knew better than all the rest of us, who couldn’t comprehend the complexities and didn’t understand the real threat facing America.

As Secretary of Defense, both men came to dominate their presidents and feed on their weaknesses. Both dominated the national security debate, silencing critics within the administration and ignoring generals in the field. Both undercut and ultimately silenced the Secretary of State, whom they dismissed as not tough enough for the difficult decisions ahead, unable to take the military options over the soft diplomatic positions.

In the presidencies of Kennedy, Johnson and Bush 43, the macho tendencies of American foreign policy so central during the Cold War asserted themselves through these two Secretaries of Defense. Both McNamara and Rumsfeld were described repeatedly by their contemporaries as brilliant. Both men possessed an ability to control bureaucracies, and both deftly molded and shaped the “facts” to suit their visions.

With Rumsfeld’s exit this past week, given a push by the American people, he, like McNamara, survived long enough to see dreams of the American imperium go up in smoke. Too clever by half, in the end they fooled only themselves. Whether Rumsfeld will ever find humility remains to be seen, but for the present his smug arrogance continues to buoy him as he made so clear while presiding over his own exit.

Crepeau concludes: “Once again, the cost to the nation of the hubris and arrogance of mere mortals has been high, and for those who paid with their lives it could not have been higher.”

In my opinion, there is one huge difference between Rumsfeld and McNamara.

McNamara was big enough of a man to eventually admit and document his mistakes, hoping that future generations would learn from them.

On the other hand, to this day, Rumsfeld has not displayed one iota of doubt about any of his actions or decisions, or regret for his monumental mistakes that have cost our country so much.

Some praise Rumsfeld for such arrogance and obstinacy as in a couple of articles I came across:

“Concede that you made mistakes? Why, that merely positions you as a vain and irresponsible know-nothing.”

And

On the other hand Rumsfeld, who has probably not read any of McNamara’s books, has never had any doubt about anything he did, and it is unlikely we will be seeing any books of mea culpas from him. It is perhaps this quality that puts him a notch above McNamara and makes him the greatest Secretary of Defense we have ever had.

Perhaps implicit in a column by Tim Weiner in yesterday’s New York Times, we find the most salient difference between McNamara and Rumsfeld:

Unlike any other secretary of defense, Mr. McNamara struggled in public with the morality of war and the uses of American power.

“We are the strongest nation in the world today,” Mr. McNamara said in “The Fog of War,” released at the time of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. “I do not believe that we should ever apply that economic, political, and military power unilaterally. If we had followed that rule in Vietnam, we wouldn’t have been there. None of our allies supported us. Not Japan, not Germany, not Britain or France. If we can’t persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we’d better re-examine our reasoning.”

“War is so complex it’s beyond the ability of the human mind to comprehend,” he concluded. “Our judgment, our understanding, are not adequate. And we kill people unnecessarily.”

Apparently, Rumsfeld has not (yet) had such moral or intellectual qualms about committing our nation and our troops to war.

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  • mikkel
    Yup

    We misjudged then — and we have since — the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries … and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions.

    We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience … We totally misjudged the political forces within the country.

    We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.

    Our judgments of friend and foe, alike, reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.

    We failed then — and have since — to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces, and doctrine.

    We failed, as well, to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture.

    We failed to draw Congress and the American people into a full and frank discussion and debate of the pros and cons of a large-scale military involvement … before we initiated the action.

    After the action got under way, and unanticipated events forced us off our planned course … we did not fully explain what was happening, and why we were doing what we did.

    We did not recognize that neither our people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgement of what is in another people's or country's best interest should be put to the test of open discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose.

    We did not hold to the principle that U.S. military action … should be carried out only in conjunction with multinational forces supported fully (and not merely cosmetically) by the international community.

    We failed to recognize that in international affairs, as in other aspects of life, there may be problems for which there are no immediate solutions … At times, we may have to live with an imperfect, untidy world.
  • JSpencer
    McNamara was big enough of a man to eventually admit and document his mistakes, hoping that future generations would learn from them.

    Maybe so, but he would have done America a great service by admitting what he knew to be true much earlier. Instead, poorly informed and painful differences of opinion about that war were allowed to fester for another two decades.

    As for Rumsfeld, what can you say about a man who has so much unnecessary blood on his hands and doesn't seem to be bothered by it?
  • kathykattenburg
    Excellent post, Dorian. Thank you.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    Thanks for the comments

    And, to whomever added the effigies, Thanks, too

    Dorian
  • I think it is difficult to fault McNamara for actually believing the conventional wisdom of his day - e.g., Vietnam was crucial in stopping the dominoes, American military might could not be defeated, a more efficient war would lead to victory. Rumsfeld, on the other hand, faced a nation where at least half of the people didn't agree with his assessment - that Iraq could be a seed of democracy, that the American military could not be defeated, that we would be greeted as liberators rather than invaders. McNamara, as far as I'm aware, faced no serious opposition at the onset of Vietnam. Rumsfeld simply behaved as no such opposition existed, or, when he deigned to observe it, he dismissed it as naive or anti-American.
  • Father_Time
    At the beginning of our invasion of Afghanistan, we bombed. Some photographs of the aftermath of these bombings found their way to the internet. Filled with curiosity and patriotic fervor I had been relentlessly searching for any photographic information to support reports of events. Not a lot was coming out of Afghanistan.

    I came across a father crying over his four little children laying on a bed that had been killed by our bombs. The sight of these dead little faces revolted me. Their father’s anguish dramatically displayed in his face. I wanted to console that man but I knew that if he could, he would kill me for what we did. Tables turned I would have killed him. No explanation or apology would have made any difference, I would have killed him. My life, from then on, would have been dedicated to killing him and his kind for their crime and my hurt.

    Winning “Hearts and Minds”? Not possible.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    ThurmanHart:

    You are very correct with your assessment of the American spirit and thinking--including McNamara's--at the beginning of the Vietnam War:

    "I think it is difficult to fault McNamara for actually believing the conventional wisdom of his day - e.g., Vietnam was crucial in stopping the dominoes, American military might could not be defeated, a more efficient war would lead to victory." and that "McNamara, as far as I'm aware, faced no serious opposition at the onset of Vietnam."

    As I mentioned, in those days I was a gung-ho war supporter (and a gung-ho Republican), and your comments made me think back of those days, and of one of my very first (guest) posts I wrote for TMV, back in April 2008, describing how and why I "flip-flopped" from a Republican to a Democrat.


    If interested, you can still read it at Guest Voice, "I, Too, Am A Flip-Flopper." But, I warn you it was written by a converted Democrat: http://themoderatevoice.com/19175/guest-voice-i....

    Thanks for your comments
  • joeinhell
    My father went to Vietnam as a true believer in 1966. He worked for RMK-BRJ.

    I went to Vietnam as an antiwar patriot. Within a week I witnessed the first of three cold blooded massacres. Within a month everything went. Honor, self pride, obedience, fidelity, respect for any authority, any belief that there could be a god who should be "worshipped" after I saw an artillery prep of a village with white phosphorus and then the Navy flyboys with napalm for an hour. We found 1 (One) ancient shotgun with the butt rotted off.

    Dresden fire bombing planned by McNamara.
    Tokyo and a hundred innocent towns in Japan fire bombed under McNamara planning.
    Hiroshima bombed under his personal control.
    Nagasaki bombed under his personal control.
    Personally chose Westmoreland (more kills means we win even if we wiped out villages of 100 and recovered one broken shotgun) to command in Vietnam.

    Die Kissinger, die, the devil needs you to baste McNamara as he toasts in napalm and white phosphorus.

    Number 5 war criminal in 20th century for murdering unarmed innocents. Stalin, Hitler, Chiang Kaishek, Mao, McNamara, then Pol Pot. I am sure that he was deeply troubled in his declining years for not being number one. All but Hitler died happily in bed of old age. Human race? Cheney is a choirboy compared to this super evil semihuman thug.

    I am ashamed that this thing was even considered human. You don't like it I'll face you off with riot shotguns at ten paces because I just never cared after I went to your filthy fucking war. I cry daily for the poor bastards dying in the middle east for this country led by shit that should be in prison for life.
  • DLS
    Nice to see real issues like McNamara come to the fore on this site for a change and a relief from the immoderate-lib Palin-and-Sanford-long-overdone-bashing and other silliness and trivia-tripe. Congrats.

    * * *

    "McNamara, as far as I'm aware, faced no serious opposition at the onset of Vietnam."

    Nor as much later as what many might be fooled into believing because of the reporting of the opposition as well as the frequent deliberate "engineering" of it. Accounts from Vietnam routinely express outrage at the worst of this misbehavior ("care packages" from college-campus radicals found in Communist caches in Cambodia as well as Vietnam), and even about the smaller insults: "Don't wear your uniform when back on leave in the States as it might upset anti-war people").

    * * *

    "Apparently, Rumsfeld has not (yet) had such moral or intellectual qualms about committing our nation and our troops to war."

    That's something you and the rest of us do not "know," but what we do know is that Rumsfeld (a civilian) clashed with many in the military and was the preeminent public figure among those righties who (behaving like lefties, but in a realm reserved mainly for righties) believed in and insisted on an easy, cheap, clean, tidy, techno-push-button version of warfare. And even worse than that was the lack of substance about the occupation and the need to secure as well as pacify the liberated Iraq.

    We _all_ know what the public's verdict was, which didn't even need liberal media bias to reach it, much less the lunacy of Move On, ANSWER, Code Pink, and other forms of perverse entertainment (which if anything worked against such a verdict among better people).

    2006 elections -- Thumbs Down on the GOP (not only for Iraq, but to a great deal because of it) and who had to leave, as a result? Rumsfeld.

    2008 wasn't just about a lovefest among so many with Obama, but about more Thumbs Down on the GOP.

    * * *

    "At the beginning of our invasion of Afghanistan, we bombed."

    And we continued to bomb, though we have changed our policy to avoid civilian casualties even more than we avoided them at (and since) the outset. In fact, we may have approached the extremes Israel has (it has actually called locations prior to bombing, to let innocent people escape, and of course it lets the guilty escape, too!). See here:

    "The [Taliban], who may owe their lives to the new U.S. commander's emphasis on limiting civilian casualties, were among hundreds of militants who have fled the offensive the Marines launched last week in southern Helmand province."

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationwor...
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