Rand Paul: shutting down the government is not a good idea

Once again Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is showing that he has an eye on a constituency bigger than hist existing base: he has come out against shutting down the government ty try and defund or halt Obamacare, the new-obsession with some GOPers:

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Sunday that Republicans should “stand up and fight” against ObamaCare, but warned that forcing a government shutdown over funding for the law is the wrong strategy.

“I don’t think shutting down the government is a good idea, but I do think that we were elected, conservatives were elected, to try to stop this overreach, this government takeover of healthcare,” Paul told “Fox News Sunday.”

Paul said Republicans should use the desire to avoid a government shutdown to squeeze concessions out of Democrats, predicting that a spending bill that headed to conference committee could see a delay of the individual mandate or opening of the insurance exchanges.

“People want us to stand up and fight, I’m willing to stand up and fight,” Paul said. “We should use the leverage of controlling one-third of the government. We don’t control all of the government, but Republicans control the House of Representatives, they should stand up, use that power to at the very least make that law less bad, delay it, do something we can to protect the American public from the law.”

Shutting down the government and halting Obamacare has become a new litmus test to some Republicans, with some conservatives suggesting those who won’t do it are caving — or even worse, worse even than nonstop migranes or 10 ingrown toenails, means they are closet “RINOS.”

Last month, some 60 House Republicans sent a letter to Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) urging leadership to remove funding for the Affordable Care Act in its next continuing resolution, while Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) has spearheaded a similar push in the Senate.

But some GOP leaders — including House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) — have warned that Republicans won’t be able to stop implementation of the law through the budgetary process. Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) told the Associated Press the threatened shutdown was the “dumbest idea” he’d ever heard of.

But since when was something that was a dumb idea stop Tea Partiers, House conservatives or some new media commentators from embracing it?

That often makes it an agenda item these days.

Rick Moran from America Thinker:

Who would have thunk it? Rand Paul a closet RINO!

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I was kidding. Paul is no RINO. But he is demonstrating a disturbing streak of logic and reasonableness in his utterings on this issue. His notion that the GOP House can put enormous pressure on the Democrats to delay the individual mandate and the opening of the exchanges is spot on. Take that to the conference committee and leave Senate Democrats with the uncomfortable decision of agreeing to the delay or appearing not to care about the massive security flaws that will be the hallmark of the state exchanges.

Whether House Republicans will go along with that plan is another question.

If I had to bet on this in Vegas on whether House Republicans will agree to this, I know how I’d bet…

17 Comments

  1. Nothing like forcing a normal functions of government Like the Debt Ceiling to be made into a political chess piece, that is, until Republicans ruthlessly decided to keep their eyes on the greater glory of obstructing an actual law—passed by Congress, and upheld (most of it anyway) by the Supreme Court.

    Isn’t there a law which has to do with the crime of interfering with the functions of the government? The next time Republicans try to block the implementation of the ACA, they should all be handcuffed and lead away—just like the members of an angry mob that deliberately blocked the entryways to the Capitol building would. No more thugs trying to make us an offer we can’t refuse!

  2. “Isn’t there a law which has to do with the crime of interfering with the functions of the government?” Lol Petew…not when you ARE the government.

    These clowns know what Paul says is the truth. A bad idea. 2014 elections are just around the corner. A lot of people who lose their jobs and business and are majorly inconvenienced by a shutdown on all levels will not soon forget it.

    Better to continue being childish, stubborn, belligerent and as harmful as possible in all other areas.

  3. Paul drives me nuts, I always catch him at his good moments (like this morning) where he sounds so reasonable and I agreed with him on Egypt and other matters.
    I like mavericks like McCain, for instance, and I don’t care if 86 senators were against him and Paul on Egypt. Incidentally, a lot of the money we send to Egypt wound up in politicians pockets and the rest to buy weapons we were pushing which are now mowing down it’s own citizens. (No one gets any bread from our bucks.) Just as with drone strikes, the average middle-eastern Muslim sees the U.S. as bullying and enabling past and present oppression by their own governments. In other words we are not making friends, but we are making more enemies.
    Remember, the 9/11 plan was hatched in Egypt.

  4. Incidentally, a lot of the money we send to Egypt wound up in politicians pockets and the rest to buy weapons we were pushing which are now mowing down it’s own citizens.

    Good point dd. I’m all for defense, but how much of weapons sales ends up being little more than blood money?

  5. I guess I’m not reading this correctly, but it seems as if the Senator is talking out of both sides of his mouth. On the one hand, he says:

    “I don’t think shutting down the government is a good idea…”

    But then:

    Paul said Republicans should use the desire to avoid a government shutdown to squeeze concessions out of Democrats…

    So he seems to be saying that while shutting down the government is a bad idea, he thinks the threat of doing so in order to bring the Democrats to heel is a good idea.

  6. To me it doesn’t really matter what he says. I came to the conclusion some time ago that Rand and his father are both crackpots of the first order. What they say on any given day or subject no matter how reasonable it may sound at the time is irrelevant.

  7. Of course they’re crackpots, but the GOP has earned the right to have that thorn in their sides.

  8. The Republicans don’t have to have any true ideology, which explains why they have so many divergent paths. There are four distinct parties within what we call the republican party and the ONLY thing that unifies them is not a strong belief in a noble ideal, but a common goal….defeat the Democrats! ALL of these people in this party share only one common interest…that’s it.
    All together they stand FOR nothing…except what they all are against.

    Creepy really.

  9. @sheknows:

    All together they stand FOR nothing…except what they all are against.

    They all stand for treating other people like dirt. It’s just which people are dirt that they can’t totally agree on…

  10. Rand Paul is looking after his own interests by covering Mitch McConnell’s back. He may be a crackpot but he is a smart crackpot and knows that a government shut down would be hazardous to his political aspirations. He also knows that Mitch McConnell is one of the few Republicans who can stop it but that McConnell is terrified of Paul’s Tea Party base in the 2014 election.

  11. Thanks SK and epi for sharing those cogent insights.

  12. Darn that straight talk!

  13. Speaking of talking, how’s the “Great Talker” doing? Replacing his divots I hope.

  14. sheKnows,

    I understand that the government would not likely implicate any part of itself as being responsible for the crime of interfering with normal government functions, but, if we could somehow include such a provision in the law to prosecute any part of the government (like the Tea Party) when it basically, obstructs our governmental functions, that would be great. Since such obstruction really amounts to nothing more than an act of treason, even if it does originate in our own Congress.

    Of course this will not happen, but couldn’t it actually be thought of as just another addition to our system of checks and balances if it became part of our constitutional law?

    When you think about it, If a President of the United States, with all his power and resources, can be impeached for breaking the law and disobeying his oath of office, then there ought to be a similar way to hold Tea Partiers accountable for treason and, either void their effects, or have them removed from office!

    I know that such legislation would face all kinds of incredible resistance and powerful legal maneuvers—but you can’t fault me for dreaming.

  15. Speaking of talking, how’s the “Great Talker” doing? Replacing his divots I hope.

    At least he’s the good sense not to go out and clear brush saying that’s a “vacation.” :)

  16. You mean that all our presidents have the human need to take vacations?
    I thought their job was a cakewalk!

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