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  • SnarkyShark

    I have had a revalation. Before, this non-stop attempt to make both parties seem like co-equal evildoores would have just made my blood boil. But now I endorse it whole heartedly. Its all in how you look at it.

    The fact is, a lot of people are still in denial about Vietnam and the events that surounded that little debacle. To certian people, the 60s was a shamefull period that they are still running away from. I was just a little kid, but I distinctly remember a whole lot of adults wrapped up in the sex, drugs and rock and roll.

    Now having watched events unfold over these many years I have noticed a perponderence of those same said individuals did end up as stalwart Republicans. I think these kind of people put all the excesses of that time onto the backs of the Democratic.

    Since things like social justice and common good are firmly fixed in that groovy hippie persona that said stalwart Republican once had but has ever since been running from, they are now so easily ignored by said stalwart faithfull.

    In point of fact, since Democrats seem to embrace such things as social justice and common good, then they truly must bear the sins of the youthfull indiscrections of those times.

    So for the convential wisdom to now say both parties are equally bad is a real milestone.

    It means Democrats can finally compete on a level palying field after all these years. Now watch and be amazed as goverment starts running again and life just gets better in all its myrad ways.

    BTW, if you were the kind of person who took advantage of the 60s social scene, but now think that any wierd music, causal sex, or drug use by young people is going to cause the downfall of western civilization, there is a good possiblity that you have issues that are clouding your ability to truly be fair.

    And I would say that the charactoristic of being fair is or should be one of the defining terms of a moderate.

  • Kevin H

    Yet another sign we need to change our voting laws to allow for viable 3rd parties.

    Do I sound like a broken record yet?

  • SnarkyShark

    Yet another sign we need to change our voting laws to allow for viable 3rd parties.

    Good idea. Which one of the vested intrests were you going to co-op?

    Grassroots are the only way to change anything.

  • ack

    I guess I am in the minority. I actually like both of my Senators — one a Republican and one a Democrat. They are both pretty moderate and level-headed.

    Only the Republican is up for re-election — Lincoln Chafee — and, although I like him, I will not be voting for him this time around.

    Unfortunately politics is not local this year and concepts like “checks and balances” and “gridlock” seem more important.

    It also seems, at least to me, that the extremes in ideology are more prevalant on the right than on the left. Aside from Kucinich, and a few unknown others, who would be considered “far left”? Yet, on the right you have Inhofe, Coburn, Santorum, Brownback, Thune, Lott, Allen, Cornyn, Burns, etc.

    I’m sticking with my thesis: the country has moved so far to the right over the past few years that those who considered themselves moderate only a few years back are now labeled (inaccurately) the “far left.” And the actual “far left” is completely marginalized.

  • SnarkyShark

    I’m sticking with my thesis: the country has moved so far to the right over the past few years that those who considered themselves moderate only a few years back are now labeled (inaccurately) the “far left.” And the actual “far left” is completely marginalized.

    This is the truth. Any other veiwpoint is a misconception.

    Take it to however deep a level you want, it holds up.

    But if you cant look in the mirror and see the reality, then you can’t follow the truth of this to its logical conclusion.

    Michael Moore vs. Limbaguh/Hannity/Coulter/Tweety/ Snow/Hume/Kristol/etc/etc/etc

    is a pile on. How many (D)s do you really see on the Sunday morning gab-fests?

    The deck is slanted, the game is rigged.

  • Apartment 604

    I’m sure that whatever Mark said is good, but I can’t get his page to load (no thanks to Blogspot.com).

    Instead of just posting a link to other blog entries you think we should see, how about an excerpt or two?

  • Jim S

    Kevin H,

    A third party wouldn’t help us nearly as much as proportional representation or some other system that hopefully wouldn’t have the weaknesses of either our current system or a parliamentary system that allows for too many parties and overly rapid turnover of governments.

  • Jim S

    ack,

    I agree completely with your post. I’ve been voting for 30 years now and in the early days I could vote for moderate Republicans. I haven’t seen one running in my state for a long time. Even if one did pop up I couldn’t vote for him now because I couldn’t give anyone in the current Republican leadership power by voting for any member of their party.

  • Kim Ritter

    Ack- I agree with your post as well-this is exactly how I feel. Those of us who remember Angela Davis, The Black Panthers, the SDS, Jerry Rubin, etc from the 60’s (I was only a child but I still remember) know how far left we can go. Remember Hanoi Jane? Today’s Democrats are moderates in comparison-some would have even been considered the conservative “establishment” during the Viet Nam era.

    I believe the Republicans HAVE moved to the far right, and try to define the Dems as far left, crazy liberals to make themselves appeal more to mainstream voters. The whole meme of “family values” is a farce, as most of the middle-class has “family values”.

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