Previous research has shown a link between extended use of violent video games and increased aggression and anger by players. But now a new study conducted at The Ohio State University confirms it:

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sheknows
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sheknows
3 years 7 months ago

And here we thought they were safe because people could get all that aggression out vicariously :) OOOPS..no need. We have REAL guns available just about everywhere.

dduck
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dduck
3 years 7 months ago

Do you older folks remember that certain types of comic books did the the same damage way back?

dduck
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dduck
3 years 7 months ago

“Naked Statistics”, for those so inclined: “If you want to eat sausage and survive, you should know what goes on in the factory. That dictum — one of only a few certainties in an uncertain world — most definitely applies to the statistical sausage factory where medical data is ground into advice. Mr. Wheelan has propped the factory gates wide open. Take his tour.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/science/naked-statistics-by-charles-wheelan-review.html?_r=0

adelinesdad
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adelinesdad
3 years 7 months ago
dduck, That’s why pear review is so important, because we can’t all be experts in all domains. This is why I came around to accepting climate change: because after trying to understand the arguments for and against, I determined that I was unqualified to judge the arguments and therefore resigned myself to accept the near-consensus view. At that point I realized that if the skeptics were right, it was up to them to convince the others, but until then I’ll accept the consensus. But back to the topic, here’s my non-scientific view: the realistic violence in video games these days… Read more »
steadystate
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3 years 7 months ago
I guess in lieu of ruffling any 2nd amendment feathers, 1st amendment censorship is OK… We act like violence in society is something new… I suppose it was stuffed lions and nerf swords in Il Colosseo all those years back? I will concede that the participatory angle (rather than casual observer in comics, books, and TV) COULD lead to cultivating violence in someone predisposed to violence, but how does one pull that apart from body/brain chemistry, upbringing, and TV? This is one of those times that I sympathize with the pro-gun crowd. People who don’t own a gun and/or don’t… Read more »
steadystate
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3 years 7 months ago
adelinesdad, MOST games do not allow you to kill innocent bystanders or cops. Call of Duty and Assassin’s Creed games – for instance – stop the game and make you restart from a previous point. Even in Grand Theft Auto, where you are able to kill people on the street and/or cops, the cops start coming after you with more and more cars, helicopters, etc. (and frequently do catch/kill you). No CHILD should be playing the games rated Mature (17+). As with R-rated movies, when your child is ready to be exposed to that sort of material can wait until… Read more »
zusa1
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zusa1
3 years 7 months ago

This is from the article dd posted:

“Remember, correlation does not imply causation.”

Could it be people with these natural tendencies are disproportionately drawn to these types of games?

JIM SATTERFIELD
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3 years 7 months ago
I’ve played different kinds of computer and video games for decades now. The gross out class of games do nothing for me and in fact my favorites are PC strategy and role playing games. But I definitely agree that parents need to pay attention to the ESRB ratings on games and not give their kids age inappropriate games. And I agree with both of dduck’s posts and everyone posting here on this subject has very good points. steadystate is right that most games have penalties for bad behavior and zusai points out a valid argument. The problem with these kinds… Read more »
ShannonLeee
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ShannonLeee
3 years 7 months ago

ill believe it after a number of other researchers confirm the results.

The_Ohioan
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The_Ohioan
3 years 7 months ago

The results have been the same for decades, whether testing convicts or college students. Acceptance of those results, not so much. We simply don’t want to believe that we are so close to our cousins, the primates.

ShannonLeee
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ShannonLeee
3 years 7 months ago
dduck
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dduck
3 years 7 months ago

SL, Does seem convincing, but I am not convinced.
From the current Science Section of the NYT, besides the article on the book Naked Statistics, there was an article on how a new study discounts the harm of eating eggs for potential heart problems, and also an article with a new study debunking brain activity in vegetative patients.
All, in all, we see studies reversing and re-reversing with each new study.
Butter is bad, butter is OK, etc.
Just skeptical as many studies start out with a desired preconceived conclusion.

zusa1
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zusa1
3 years 7 months ago

What about their children?

Epigenetics

“Why Your DNA Isn’t Your Destiny”

“Could parents’ experiences early in their lives somehow change the traits they passed to their offspring? ”

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1952313,00.html

The_Ohioan
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The_Ohioan
3 years 7 months ago
That’s the way science works. Prove or disprove results with different results; which is why we have the egg controversies. When the preponderence of results reach a consensus we will be convinced that eggs are good for us – or not. We can eat eggs no matter which result is in fashion, but the effect will not change, only our conviction that we are not being affected. Everyone knows that smoking is bad for the body in general, but it is good for controlling one particular disease. A family member that has that disease uses nicotine patches to successfully control… Read more »
The_Ohioan
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The_Ohioan
3 years 7 months ago

z

I can think of a lot of questions about those conclusions, but here is another conundrum:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/07/peppered_moth_now_reverts_back023011.html

In any case, we are concerned with psychological changes, not physical changes, by observing violence whatever its form.

Does anyone doubt the effects of violence on those with PTSD?

dduck
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dduck
3 years 7 months ago

I agree with Ohio, it’s a gray area.

zusa1
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zusa1
3 years 7 months ago

Ohioan,

That was an interesting article.

Is a person still affected by violence even if they are cognitively aware that the violence is not real?

I also think psychology and physiology are intertwined.

The_Ohioan
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The_Ohioan
3 years 7 months ago

z

That’s what the experiments show. I think you are correct since one cannot exist without the other and they are inextricably intertwined.

adelinesdad
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adelinesdad
3 years 7 months ago
I admit to being no expert on the science, but from the looks of things there is no consensus. The failure to prove that violent games do have an effect does no prove that they don’t. But in the absence of scientific consensus, we must still make a judgment for ourselves. Legally speaking, if it can’t be proven to be harmful then it can’t be banned or restricted, and I’m OK with that. But that doesn’t mean I can’t follow my reasoning (outlined above and below) to conclude that they probably do have an effect, and therefore I will keep… Read more »
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