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Posted by on Aug 2, 2015 in 2016 Presidential Election, At TMV, Featured, Politics | 31 comments

Joe Biden, a Good Man, Considering a 2016 Run

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Joseph Robinette “Beau” Biden III died of brain cancer on May 30, 2015.

Beau Biden was an attorney, an Army officer, Iraq War veteran, Delaware Attorney General, a husband, a brother, a father and the son of Vice President Joe Biden and Mrs. Jill Biden.

In my opinion, Beau Biden was a good man. His father said, “Beau Biden was, quite simply, the finest man any of us have ever known.”

In my opinion, Joe Biden is also a good man.

On Saturday, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd wrote about how a longtime Biden supporter said the vice president had been deeply moved by Beau’s desire for his father to run for president of the United States:

“He was so close to Beau and it was so heartbreaking that, frankly, I thought initially he wouldn’t have the heart,” the supporter, Michael Thornton, a Boston lawyer, said in an interview. “But I’ve had indications that maybe he does want to — and ‘that’s what Beau would have wanted me to do.’”

Dowd adds, “But going through the crucible of the loss of his oldest son, Beau, to brain cancer made the vice president consider the quest again.”

Today, at the same newspaper, Amy Chozick takes another look at the possibility that Joe Biden may be considering a presidential campaign:

Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his associates have begun to actively explore a possible presidential campaign, which would upend the Democratic field and deliver a direct threat to Hillary Rodham Clinton, several people who have spoken to Mr. Biden or his closest advisers say.

And:

Mr. Ricchetti, a White House aide in the Clinton administration who is now Mr. Biden’s chief of staff, began talking to donors and supporters in the months before Beau Biden died.
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In recent weeks, those talks, with local elected officials and party leaders, started again, mostly because well-wishers were calling to check on the Biden family. The talk inevitably drifted to 2016, and many of these Democrats urged Mr. Biden to seriously consider getting into the race, said people with knowledge of the talks who agreed to discuss private conversations only anonymously.

Chozick concludes:

Mr. Biden is by no means a virtuoso campaigner. But his entry into the race would add an unbridled, often unscripted passion for the presidency that some Democrats say the ever-cautious Mrs. Clinton at times lacks.
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One Democratic donor with direct knowledge of the overtures from the Biden camp said Mr. Biden had already thought about how he would position himself in the race, delivering an economic message to the left of Mrs. Clinton’s while embracing Obama administration policies, like health care reform, that are widely popular among Democrats.

As I said, Joe Biden is a good man — in every respect of the word.

I would welcome his entry into the race.

Stay tuned.

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  • shaun

    From my Politix Update column to be posted Monday morning:

    “My own view is in the unlikely event Biden decided to run, that almost certainly would be predicated on Clinton having to withdraw from the race for, say, health reasons. If Biden was then nominated — and the possibility that he would beat whomever the Republicans threw at him — he would be 77 at the end of a first term, making him the oldest of any president in history. That alone would seem to rule against run. Meanwhile, Biden has been in Washington for 42 years and, one would think, is pretty damned tired of life in the public eye.”

    • DdW

      Good, points, Shaun. Thank you.

      Although just turning 74 at the the beginning of his first term is really not that “old” nowadays.

      But, like you say, he may be sick and tired of politics and Washington, D.C.

      Anyway, I love the guy!

      • I agree, 74 is the new 64. I would not hold his age against him. Pair him on the ticket him with someone like Sherrod Brown who is younger and perfectly capable of taking over as president (plus helps in Ohio). There are certainly many other possible running mates.

        The biggest advantage of Biden running would be someone who could receive overlap support between those of us who oppose Clinton from the left and and from party regulars who wouldn’t support Sanders for the nomination. He would make an excellent compromise candidate.

        I also don’t see his campaign based upon Clinton having to withdraw. No matter how bad the scandal gets, my bet she will stay in short of indictment or total collapse in support. Biden certainly would be the one to call on if Clinton withdraws, but he is also a good choice for the party leadership to turn to if they come to the conclusion that Clinton is too risky to run with.

        Being an insider for so long would be somewhat of a negative in the general election, but not one which could not be overcome. I think Sanders would make a stronger general election candidate than Clinton, but I think Biden has a better chance than Sanders of defeating Clinton for the Democratic nomination.

        • dduck12

          Great. You old folks are delusional if you think you would be able to keep up the presidential pace for eight years

          Ever tune into Jeopardy and test yourself. Not against the younger contestants, but the younger you. Look in the mirror, see anything sagging. See how many pills you are taking, are you sure you remembered to take them all?
          OK, if you think most oldies could fill in as president, then how about raising the SS Medicare and full retirement age to the new 64, which is 74, that would solve the looming SS crisis.
          . Grow up, and let younger minds and bodies run the country (or try).
          Lecture over, your reading assignment: After Many a Summer Dies The Swan
          🙂

          • dduck12

            Ohio gets the Diogenes award for today.

          • The_Ohioan

            LOL The lamp is getting dimmer all the time. 🙂

      • Brownies girl

        DdW writes: 74 at the the beginning of his first term is really not that “old” nowadays.

        Thanks Dorian – although I’m a few years prior to 74, I’m finding how amazing it is to discover older folks, approaching or even into their 70’s who are brighter, smarter, healthier and more wise than a lot of folks younger than they are. Like Biden, I’m a pre-baby-boomer, by just a year or so (we call ourselves “war babies”) — and raised when fresh air was considered essential, freedom to play anywhere with no adults overseeing, when fresh home-grown food was readily available and there were no such things as food additives or “social media” all over the place. I think it kept our minds focused and our bodies strong — all that good stuff.

        Biden ain’t too old, no matter what. But it’s up to him to decide if he’s too sick and tired of politics and Washington.
        I’ll go with his decision no matter what – but there’s no doubt in my mind, should he enter the race and win the nom, he’d do a fabulous job, if elected. I like Bernie, but I like Joe too! I’d be torn, if asked who to vote for on the nomination ballot.

        • DdW

          Thanks for those thoughts, Brownies girl.

          I am already one year older than Joe Biden will be if he were to start serving in 2017.

          While I would not even start to compare myself to Joe Biden when it comes to talent, experience, capabilities, etc., etc., I sincerely believe that my age per se would not be a disqualifying factor. Of course every individual’s health is different at that age.

          Neither the young ones nor the “old ones” are guaranteed a single day beyond today…

        • “I like Bernie, but I like Joe too! I’d be torn, if asked who to vote for on the nomination ballot.”

          Keep in mind that primaries here are a progression. I would not take sides between the two at this point if Biden gets in. The choice would be toughest for those in Iowa and New Hampshire. Most likely for most of us it will be clear which has the best chance to beat Clinton by the time we have our primaries, and that will probably be the deciding point. There might be other factors which arise to make voters want one over the other as the campaign progresses.

          • KP

            If Hillary does not win Iowa, then we may see Biden.

  • dduck12

    I like Joe and Bernie, but they and Hillary are a little over the hill, age wise. I am close to 77 and unless my wife nudges me constantly, I fall asleep at every play she takes me to. Now, I’m not saying these three might not have more energy and sturdier bodies than I do, but come on folks, this is a very hard and tiring job, they think they want. Meeting after meeting, studying studies, reports and opinions and of course listening to your panel of diversified and balanced advisers, oh, and making those fund raising calls and events. Phew, I’m exhausted just thinking about it, I need a nap.

    • It is increasingly looking like the Democrats will nominate someone older, unless perhaps O’Malley breaks out at the debates and gets his campaign on track. Putting age aside, I would be quite happy with either Joe or Bernie.

      • dduck12

        You can’t put age aside.

        • I can and I will. First, I’m not as concerned about it as you are. Secondly, despite their age, I prefer any of the Democrats over any of the Republican candidates.

          • dduck12

            Ah, “secondly”, the old and infirm, crooked and cheap, as long as they are not Reps.

          • I disagree that they are “the old and infirm.” I’m not sure what you mean by “cheap” here. You know that I am pushing to try to keep the “crooked” one from getting the nomination.

            But, yes, if it comes to it, I would choose the “crooked” one over a Republican as I fear how much damage the Republicans would do, considering how radical they have become.

          • dduck12
          • There are many reasons I would would not back Clinton for the nomination, but these would not be included as meaningful. These stories definitely wouldn’t lead me to consider a Republican over her.

          • dduck12

            Really! The crooked and cheap as long as they are not Reps. Affirmed.

        • Rambie

          You’re right in that the GOP’ers will use age as a weapon, especially if Walker comes out on top. Even with Jeb they’ll still use.

    • KP

      Please recall, dduck ==>

      Biden knows how to drive!

      Hillary sits in back and texts top secret stuff to her private hard drive.

      Biden like yellow and red Corvettes!

      Hillary uses private jets.

      Biden gives us quotes like a beloved uncle!

      Hillary is about as fun as a furuncle.

      Run, Joe, Run!

      • dduck12

        LOL

  • “In my opinion, Joe Biden is also a good man.”

    Yes, and that is one reason I hope he runs, and one reason Howard Fineman cited why Biden might decide to challenge Clinton:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joe-biden-presidential-run-why-now_55bd554de4b0b23e3ce30903?

    “The vice president had a mostly cordial relationship with Secretary
    of State Hillary Clinton, and his longtime role as a champion of women’s
    rights amplifies his appreciation for the former first lady.

    “But, privately, he looks down on what he regards as a
    political/money-making machine. He sees the Clintons as far more
    interested in cash and clout than in doing good. “They’re everything he
    hates about the way politics operates today,” said one friend.

    “Biden may conclude that he is the only person in the party who can
    stop a Clinton return to the White House. If he enters the race, he will
    at least further complicate Hillary’s already dreary slog towards the
    Democratic nomination.”

  • KP

    “In my opinion, Joe Biden is also a good man.”

    Agree.

    Mid 1987 I was leaning toward Joe for President before he self sabotaged and pulled out. Still, I think he could win in 2016.

    • “I think he could win in 2016”

      If the economy continues to improve, I think almost any Democrat should be able to win in 2016. The exception would be a Democrat who is entangled in a major scandal, or a Democrat who is evasive and unable to connect with voters. In other words, Clinton is the riskiest bet. Biden and Sanders would both be electable if the economy is doing ok. If things are not going well, Sanders would be the better bet as then only someone outside the Democratic mainstream, who can also pull in new voters, would have a good shot.

      • KP

        <>

        That is a big “IF”.

        Ask the average man or women who votes if the economy is improving. Somebody better get the message out.

        Use numbers that hold value and mean something to me and the majority of voters; because to us, stuff costs more and we are making less.

        • The predictions (which may or may not come true) are for further economic improvement, which hopefully will be seen by more voters.

          • KP

            Hmmm …

            Predictions. Those are not working for me.

            I would not bet on the economy being a Dem general election rallying point.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98T3PVaRrHU

          • Rambie

            There will be some who will try to keep the general public from feeling the economy is improving. I too wouldn’t count on it, the Democrats need to MAKE it happen.

  • tidbits

    Unlike others currently in the Democratic nomination race, Biden would be an electable alternative to HRC. He’s not my first choice as an alternative, but he could win the general and that’s the primary criteria to “save” the courts from the religious cons and right wingers.

    The Dems need to find a youth movement soon to help take advantage of their growing demographic advantages. Age is an issue, as Duck reports, but it is not a disqualifying issue, as Ronnie reports. Just my view, of course.

  • Nelson Kerr

    I think that a “good man” is just what we need, it has been so many decades since that applied to president.

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