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Very interesting article by Adam Gopnik in the New Yorker on what Donald Trump brings to our politics.

Wouldn’t surprise me if, as in so many moments during the 1990’s and at the present time, the deliberate manipulation of language by the Right isn’t responsible for what we think know. It’s an old trick. Propaganda.

Gopnik points out that Donald Trump presents us with “a candidate for President who is the announced enemy of the openness that America has traditionally stood for and that drew persecuted émigrés … to America as to a golden land…”…Gopnik,NYer

Then (again) we’re confronted with the F-word: “fascist.”

Then a candidate who embraces the mottos and rhetoric of the pro-fascist groups of that same wretched time, has taken over one of our most venerable political parties, and he seems still in the ascendancy. His language remains not merely sloppy or incendiary but openly hostile to the simplest standards of truth and decency that have governed American politics. …Gopnik,NYer

No. I don’t think “Fascist” is an exaggeration. The parallels with Germany in the 1930’s is eerie.

What all forms of fascism have in common is the glorification of the nation, and the exaggeration of its humiliations, with violence promised to its enemies, at home and abroad; the worship of power wherever it appears and whoever holds it; contempt for the rule of law and for reason; unashamed employment of repeated lies as a rhetorical strategy; and a promise of vengeance for those who feel themselves disempowered by history. It promises to turn back time and take no prisoners. That it can appeal to those who do not understand its consequences is doubtless true. But the first job of those who do understand is to state what those consequences invariably are. Those who think that the underlying institutions of American government are immunized against it fail to understand history. In every historical situation where a leader of Trump’s kind comes to power, normal safeguards collapse. Ours are older and therefore stronger? Watching the rapid collapse of the Republican Party is not an encouraging rehearsal. Donald Trump has a chance to seize power. …Gopnik,NYer

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  • I stated this more than a year ago! I have spent my lifetime studying the fascists of WWII, and when I compared this SOD (Son of a Devil) to fascists leaders, I documented my evidence. The problem is that too many people whom should never have been described as fascists have faced the claim w/o evidence!

    DONALD TRUMP’s CANDIDACY IS DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!

  • dduck

    Pure bull, both post and comment.

  • The Ohioan

    As good a description of how fascism progresses as I’ve ever seen. The key to its success is the willingness of citizens to believe the lies, even when common sense tells them they are not true (or mostly not true). The excuse “You don’t have to believe everything s/he says” is used to allow the acceptance of a leader they would never have accepted had s/he not promised what only the most gullible believe can be delivered.

    As bad as Trump is, he wouldn’t have progressed this far without people having been willing to believe all the lies the right wing have been using for decades to prepare his way. Demagogues don’t just spring out of nowhere, and they can’t succeed in a just society. They seize their moment in times of upheaval amid feelings of resentment.

    Yes, Trump fits all the criteria of acting like a fascist, though he give every evidence of it being the result of a personality disorder than of a calculated reach for power. In fact there’s every indication that the hard work of maintaining a fascist regime would not interest him at all, though there are no doubt many who would be willing to take on that task.

    None of which answers the question – will our system of government fail the test. Our system has been tested and fallen short in recent times too often, but will we become an all out fascist regime? We don’t know, yet. It can happen in a perilously short time; that we do know.

    • JSpencer

      Another excellent/accurate comment Ohio. Thank-you..

      “As bad as Trump is, he wouldn’t have progressed this far without people having been willing to believe all the lies the right wing have been using for decades to prepare his way.”

      Exactly, and this is why I blame the followers and apologists as much as I do the false prophets they enable.

    • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist

      agreed TO. Thanks. As a person raised by refugees and immigrants who fled Hitler and then Stalin, the signs are clear. Crystal. Hitler and Stalin both made jokes too, had lots of backslappy has=been pals, roused the persons who felt they were missing out.

      Also, having joined 17 other analysts to publish a book on malignant psychopathy and politics [due very shortly] and spending much research time in my writing in depth about Hitler’s step by step to his diseased power seizures, one of the most prominent elements of his grasping rise to power, one out of a clear cut dozen, is other persons poo-poohing the alarm of experienced and observant persons who called out Hitler early on, for what he was in terms of his extreme hatred aimed at those he felt were ‘life unworthy of life’ [Hitler’s quote as he ordered the murder of German children, elders, adults –this before he ever decided to do what putin just did with crimea, invaded full armor into Sudetenland] and those he felt had deprived he himself.

      He had been found guilty of treason, and one of his greatest lies was that he’d been in ‘prison.’ Where he’d been was in a ‘gentleman’s holding place’ with visitors galore, and photographs of same with everyone looking like they are enjoying themselves at a beer hall.

      But Hitler in those 9 months he served [of a ten year sentence– there are reasons for this that would help him as others of malignant intent helped shorter his ‘prison’ sentence ,] wrote one of the most vile documents known, about how he and a small group of others were ‘pure’ and various others were not, and therefor not ‘life worthy of life.’.

      There are five pages of mein kampf [actually had to read both book 1 and book ii to do the research] that laid out exactly what Hitler thought the ‘impure others’ had done, how they lived. I determined that those pages are EXACTLY what Hitler followed himself. He utterly followed what he condemned in others.

      Trump? All the signs are there. For those with the eyes to see, the ears to hear. Starting with the many years of falsehoods, the serial cheating of others including contractors, the silencing of others by disinviting specific groups of the press, the calling out of specific groups, the derogatory naming of others hoping his followers will do the same– and they do. Promising loyalty to ‘his beloved people’ and ultimately giving none.

      Trump. Hitler at his highest peak before he outlawed voting, had between 33% and 44% of the German people who were said to have voted for him. He was not der Fuhrer of the German people, as he liked to brag/lie about. Not even close.

      • The Ohioan

        {having joined 17 other analysts to publish a book on malignant psychopathy and politics [due very shortly] }

        That sounds very interesting. Is there a title and publishing date yet? It sounds like something that would be very helpful now. It seems these books are always published too late to help when it is needed. 🙂

        I think the fact that I read “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” cover to cover (I’ve only met one other person that also read every page and slogged all the way through) 🙂 has given me a different perspective than some. Also, having read the excellent account of Joe McCarthy “Senator Joe McCarthy” by Richard Rovere was eye opening.

        I understand the reason to not overdramatize every demagogue that comes along, but what worries me about – not Trump so much because I think he has mental problems that would preclude his being a very effective actor – but his apparent effect on people; the perfectly normal people I’ve known for years who are acting very badly under his influence. If very nice people like these can become so discombobulated it is almost like a mental disease that is catching.

        Before this, there were all the email jokes about Obama and liberals, etc. but not from these people or not from most of them. It was usually a joke or cartoon about how dumb liberals are. Now it is a vicious screed about how we liberals are taking down the country and we need to be gotten rid of. It’s worrying and frightening because you can return a joke about conservatives, but there’s just no way to counter the fact that someone actually wants to eliminate you. At least I don’t know how to counter it.

        • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist

          Thank you TO, I think the title the publisher told me last month is close to this: Narcissism and Politics in the Time of trump. I thought they perhaps ought not put trump’s name in he title, so that the book can be evergreen as any limelight attracts good people but also esp people who are deeply narcissistic in the verifiably ill sense yet semi functional at the same time, but it is their editorial board who decides. It should be published, I believe within the next two weeks or so. I know it is at press. If you would like me to, I can let you know.

          I am glad you read 3rd Reich. It ought be taught at school. The tactics were same under Louis the french incredible dictator king, and the french revolution some 70 years later showed the utter vile self-centeredness of his ‘reign’ and his many wars, and his abject indulgence of a corrupt landowning coffer-glutted church, and more.

          This is where I would suggest to stand. There are issues that are short term and ones that are long term. Economies go up and down. Education is crucial. I believe many things can be done for what is sagging there. The sagging of ed and econ go in cycles– again for those who study, it is clear and easy to see. Retooling needs to occur for the old and also many midaged and young. This can happen. It doesnt have to happen under a guy who has so little ability to be just and to abide by letter of the law across the land. But it does have to be done by an intelligent and experienced person.

          I’d say too the place to stand is in the far larger picture. There are truths about our econ and state of affairs at most every level… we can face there. A moron can repeat truths that are evident. But it will take an experienced person to hold the reins to the thousand horses that drive our nation here and in the world.

          Electing good senators and congress persons who are workers who serve the many instead of a narrow few, is another way to ready for change that will be better.

          Too, and I shall write about it more in an article here at TMV, the future is the place to place one’s best hope [and actions— it is infantile to expect a president or a congress to do everything] for integrity for environment, clean air, clear water, {flint I am certain is not the only city which is lead poisoned], not sending our young to war incessant, job industries that are not 1950s but viable greatly, accessible education costs by endowments and other means, care for children and others who are not decently cared for, and strong defense that is not obsolete the moment the billions are spent, and more.

          Take the road that anyone can point to the problems. Making life better has to have specific plans. And the support for them in addition to the populace. More reason why electing most able congresses at state and fed level, men and women who dont come with a snarl , but with a ‘let’s get this done’ attitude, will be best for the most. Without that, it will only continue to be ‘best fantasie’ for the very disgruntled.

          Visionary is far different than venting nonstop. Making better has to have a concise step by step plan with actions laid out clearly in advance, and to the letter.

          So far, in this particular case, we hear common cultural truths that are true, esp about working class, middle class needs and wants. Those truths belong to all of us, are recognized by us all, including all candidates. What to do to bring more parity, the plans for that, concise, reasoned, and capable, and TRULY IMPLEMENTABLE not just ‘bragged about in unreasoned flailing about and bellowing’, is what is sorely missing. And what will set aside actual contenders from pretenders.

          Regarding good people suddenly taking up the cri de couer. I see them as also telling truths that matter. I think too, that reasoned plans will appeal to most. The idea of pessimism, actually can be used at first to rouse the vulnerable who feel all their lives, unheard. But it is positivism for the greater that leads the way.

          The world is changing, esp for the older and old. Many are fearful. Others disappointed. Others angry. Some all three. But the visionary is who we can follow. I have great faith in our young TO. And in you. And in many others here. I think ‘one for all, and all for one,’ is a good motto, for its the motto visionaries strive toward. I also think we have to keep our eyes [and ears] on the goal, and let no distractions unsteady our aim.

          • The Ohioan

            Please do, Dr. E., let us know the title as soon as it’s published!

            I have great faith in our young, also. Many of the baby boomers were hippies at one time. Many have kept the faith.

            We had a recent Black Lives Matter rally here in Kalamazoo and the number of whites that joined was terrific – of course this is a college town and that helps.

    • Seems to me that Trump, all things considered, is not at the core of the problem. He’s an awfully foolish, gullible man driven by ignorance and arrogance. The engine in America”s self-destruction would seem to be the corporatism we have allowed to invade our culture. J Spencer (below) nails it.
      I’ve been thinking a lot about what my generation did to facilitate the descent into the current mess. Certainly the right had to put up with a lot of ditsy jerks (self included) even as Repubs were forced to take responsibility for their own criminality (Watergate, Contras, persistent racism). “Respect” declined as an important part of democracy and was replaced by nationalism and showy militarism.

      • dduck

        PW, Thanks for a fair assessment, I agree.

  • dduck

    What I said above.

    • moonlitknight

      My New Oxford American Dictionary defines fascism as follows:

      an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
      • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
      The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.

      Is it the definition you take issue with or how it is being applied to Trump?

      • dduck

        Definitions are nice. I like them, and there are so many. Which to choose in a heated partisan “discussion” or right now a semi-argument.
        So, of course I take issue with tar and feathering a guy because he has some characteristics and positions, engages in mindless racial rantings, and darn it all, some pure BS that is similar to historical figures we detest.
        “THIS IS POLITICS, NOT BEANBAGS”, someone once said.
        Is Bernie a communist. No he is a well meaning democratic socialist. Did right-wing blogs call him a communist and Hillary a criminal. Yes, I didn’t because then I would be unfair and distorting the current reality to push my point or position. I choose not to lower my self to the lowest common denominator. So, I don’t like this kind of rhetoric applied to Trump or an even to a lower moraled person, in my estimation , Cruz.

        • KP

          Why you got to be so rational?(!)

          • dduck

            KP, these are intelligent people here at TMV. I ust hate to see them lower thier intellectual standards to that of, er, a Trump.

        • moonlitknight

          Just to make sure I want you to know I wasn’t trying to blow up a conversation. You don’t often use words like pure bull so I felt the question had to be asked. I respect your opinion and was genuinely interested in the answer.

          • dduck

            Thanks, moon, I guess I could have said it a more politically correct way. Perhaps, SM exaggerates slightly, or I don’t agree. Anyway, I got your attention, I take this subject seriously and feel that sometimes over the top rhetoric not only distorts the actual facts of a matter, but also is used to put down various groups. Shylock Jews, Italian Mafia, Lazy Indians, Yellow peril, Shanty Irish, etc., etc.

  • jdledell

    dduck – I am genuinely curious why you don’t feel any hints of Facism from the Trump party. I think the comparison of a rising Trump on America is more akin to Mussolini or Franco than Hitler. Trump has a very short fuse and takes personally any criticism. Witness today’s rehash of his animosity toward Cruz.

    If Trump is elected I see a Constitutional crisis emerging fairly quickly. I see him authorizing Executive Orders frequently and if not implemented trying to criminalize the disobedience. Can you imagine if the Supreme Court declares his EO unconstitutional what Trump might do? I could see him arbitrarily declaring Supreme Court Justices over 70 to be immediately retired and then pack the Court with his followers. G-d forbid another 9/11 and rallying the nation to accept marshall law and disband Congress. What kind of revenge will he take against newspapers and other news outlets if they criticize Trump. You know that his first step after becoming President will to bring Clinton to trial and fulfill his followers desire to “Lock her up”. Who else in the Obama administration will meet the same fate? Obama? Kerry?

    I suspect if elected and he implements a depression causing world trade war like Smoot-Hawley, the resulting chaos will ripen into marshall law and a singular national government.

    • dduck

      JDL. I respect you more than most commenters here, because you think as well as feel.
      I know a lynch mob when I see it, but I also see extreme partisan hatred and self hatred, because most people underestimated Trump. When you are wrong, you at first write articles saying you were wrong, then you focus on the person/whatever you were wrong about. I think that is going on a bit especially with “journalists” and others.
      If you look hard enough, you can find similarities in most public figures to historical figures. They can be negative or positive and can be used to bolster your point, especially when preaching to the choir.
      Of course Trump is bombastic, makes outrageous racial remarks, like some historical figures, and he is a showman like P.T Barnum. He is not leading movements to suppress freedom of the press, he is spouting nationalistic jingoisms, and he is pandering to some in his base, a partially disgruntled, racially intolerant group.
      I don’t see the point in all the things you said he might do and addressing that towards me- I dislike Trump’s supposed positions, just as I dislike many of Obama’s. Both were unqualified to be president from an experience stand point, but I don’t know either personally and I don’t hate either yet.
      I do DISLIKE Hillary, but I will be voting for her if the election is close.
      Finally, it is too easy and lazy to call people fascists, commies and criminals; I don’t like it.

      • KP

        Both Obama and Trump were/are un qualified to president. Slam dunk.

        “I do dislike Hillary”…..

        “KA-POW” “OOMPH!”

        “Holy Agility”

        “Holy Greed”

        “Holy Hair do”

        “Holy Red Herring”

        🙂

      • jdledell

        dduck – I dislike Hillary also but the convention was kind of out of control. The screams from the audience to “Lock her up” and Christie with his “guilty,guilty, guilty” or Hillary should be put in front of a firing squad and executed. This is the kind of emotional hatred for the “other” that Trump is feeding and being feed by. It felt like an uncontrolled mob and mobs usually lead to negative consequences.

        • dduck

          Please report back here about what screams are heard at the Dem convention. I know, the reps started it. 🙂

        • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist

          JD, just my 02, I think Chris Christie is dead in the water forever now. He will never ever be considered a statesman, if ever he was. He will never once his gov-ship is up be re-elected to anything even near the prestige/public service he once enjoyed. And just squandered definitively imo

          I thought he seemed a likable person there a while back while he made the one-trick-pony talk show circuit trying to explain himself about the ‘bridge’ scandal.

          . But seeing him doing the job usually reserved to rouse the coliseum crowd to call for the deaths of persons ordered by dictators of Rome who decided guilt based on their opine or on uneducated public opinion rather than due process… many and I mean MANY of my colleagues now think all the bridgegate stuff really was the result of Christie’s pique and peeve, as he claimed it was NOT.

          I watched Cruz position himself to look like a viable, and ‘wont bow to the likes of Trump’ candidate for 2020.

          I watched Paul Ryan shoot himself in both feet by acknowledging Trump said racist ideas and yet said he supported Trump. That will not set well in the media loop to be played over and over again when Ryan tries to run in 2020.

          I watched poor Rubio, who I think is actually very young politicially, try to take a teat on a sow with 6 teats for 7 pups. That was sad. I watched a woman astronaut who seemed more about that she was a female… and etc.

          I watched a has been tv actor who my middle aged kids and grandkids old enough to vote have no idea who he is. I watched the trump family, esp ivanka who is a close friend of Chelsea Clinton [not sure of her married name], and that she is a new mother but wonder where her 3 children are. Watched the son in law whose father went to prison.

          Saw Melania posing, and speaking words, regardless of her poor ‘speech writer,’ Melania knew she was saying aloud words she was reported to have herself said she admired and lifted from Mrs. Obama’s speech…

          Let’s just say this; no one as old as trump and all the other candidates near or over 70 can possibly have unerring lives. However, mental illness is different than error. And our nation is far far far too precious to put into the hands of a person who has shown, in spades, they have a very hard time controlling themselves temperamentally, greedwise, integritywise. We need not another idiot king as in the old days of ‘the empire.’

          THe issues are not ‘what the other side does.” They are what this one particular person does, who has left incidentally in the 12+ books I am looking at right here on my desk as I write to you JD, an enormous and damning paper trail as to favored tactics.

          And we havent even heard yet from certain women. Amarosa adores T. A few aging show girls seems to have spoken for him and a few young women also, and some whom he has vaunted ahead in their careers. But there is likely a whole other class of women yet to be heard from. We shall see.

    • Brownies girl

      jd writes: “If Trump is elected I see a Constitutional crisis emerging fairly quickly. I see him authorizing Executive Orders frequently and if not implemented trying to criminalize the disobedience. Can you imagine if the Supreme Court declares his EO unconstitutional what Trump might do? I could see him arbitrarily declaring Supreme Court Justices over 70 to be immediately retired and then pack the Court with his followers. G-d forbid another 9/11 and rallying the nation to accept marshall law and disband Congress.”

      JD, I’m sure as hell not near as knowledgeable about what an elected President can and CANNOT do — but these things you’re listing — is it really possible that a President can do this? Like criminalizing disobedience if EOs aren’t followed; like arbitrarily declaring SC Justices over 70 to be retired? Is such a thing possible? I have no idea, but if it is – it would be President lurching into dictator mode. And that thought scares the crap out of me.

      • jdledell

        Brownies girl – The consequences I listed are purely hypothetical but then has there ever been a president like Trump. I called it a Constitutional Crisis because there are no laws allowing a President to do any of these things. The Executive branch has a lot of power but if Trump sent in the FBI or Secret Service to yank all the over 70’s from the Supreme Court, what and who is going to stop him? Of course Congress would yell and scream but how many army units does Congress command? He could issue an order for Marshall law – and send in the army to enforce it. Who is going to come up with the army to stop him?

        Hypothetical as my thoughts are, I can see Trump trying to do things as President that have never been done before. Remember he is used to being CEO where his decisions are implemented regardless of others disagreements. I can see him trying that as President. My hope is that others who he would have to rely on to do his dirty work would rebel and do their oath to “uphold the Constitution of the United States” rather than their duty to the President.

        • dduck

          JDL, your “story” is fascinating, but I will wait for the movie, since it ain’t gonna happen in real life. And, I wish all you people would calm down the sky ain’t falling.

          • KP

            Calm in the storm.

            You are sage.

            Have you relinquished the rights to your therapeutic cloning?(!)

            ‘cos you know, we should be dog-gone ashamed.

          • KP

            I think you are top shelf, dduck.

          • jdledell

            dduck – I hope you are correct that my scenario is not realistic. However, when I see rants from the podium like Giuliani, calls to Lock her up, or Christie’s Guilty, Guilty, Guilty is something I’ve never seen at a political convention before, never mind the idiot who called for a Clinton firing squad.

            I seriously doubt that the Democrats at their Convention will be anything like the Republican in terms of tone. We’ll compare notes on Conventions in a week.

          • JSpencer

            Maybe the “sky ain’t falling”, but most of us aren’t interested in gambling on it, especially when we have that edge which history provides us. If I can be so forward as to quote our own Dr. E.

            “one of the most prominent elements of his grasping rise to power, one out of a clear cut dozen, is other persons poo-poohing the alarm of experienced and observant persons who called out Hitler early on, for what he was in terms of his extreme hatred aimed at those he felt were ‘life unworthy of life’ “

            What one person sees as alarmism, another may see as reasonable caution.

        • Brownies girl

          Thanks jd. You write: “Remember he is used to being CEO where his decisions are implemented regardless of others disagreements. I can see him trying that as President.”

          Yup, with that comment, you hit the point that’s been running through my head for the past year. I can see him trying it too. CEOs can order anything, and people who work for them have to obey.

          Not so, in politics, at least not with huuuuge decisions. I’ve heard Trump comment a number of times that he could make America-Great-Again by running it as a business. Thing is, I don’t think he actually understands that a country isn’t a business, as much as he’d like to believe so. Thanks for the response jd. Much appreciated. BG

        • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist

          I think JD, the logic you put forth is solid. And in terms of poly sci, there is the strong indicator in pols that past behavior predicts future behavior. I was just noting that Trump has sued several persons during his ‘run’ for prez. This is past behavior, and entrenched for him. The concern about balances is very real, for the nation can be thrown as easily into disarray by overstepping boundaries, and the huge amount of time it takes to give due process, arguments, witnesses before ‘legality’ of whatever one unleashes in contempt for the people, can be decided. Trump has never been as far as I can see, moderate nor conserving. Nor as Hitler put it clearly in writing, ‘never work by consensus.’ Only fiat. Declaration ‘because I say so. Or else.’

    • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist

      JDledell, yes. I’ve met Mr. Trump in passing, on book tour long ago. I see what cannot be unseen once one sees it. The incessant thin-skin of so easily injured ego– which is the prime reason that persons so configured, attempt to close down whatever/whomever might afflict them; their stance is ever vigilant for who is not loyal [might hurt them], who has their own opinions [they are seen as disrespectful], who will bow to them [not alarm them]. The problem in part is lack of being a grown up with mature outlook and even handed responses. Surrounding oneself with ‘yes’ people, means one has no emery to sand down the rough edges, little need to compromise and mature.

      When just a citizen, a person so configured is boundaried and harnessed to a large degree by the laws of the land. Give them unequal power in law, judiciary, executive, legislative, lobbying functions, and you will see the temper tantrums raging displays in public for which mussolini, hitler, stalin, mao, castro, kruschev, tito and pap doc are well known. Executive power ought never be handed to persons configured with fragile brittle egos. Never.

      • jdledell

        dr e – I think you are right about the fragile ego, As a senior executive of a very large company, I have met a lot of egos in my life but Trump’s ego dwarfs all of them. Trump is running for President just for the sake of his ego. It is the ultimate goal of any egoist to be the most powerful man in the world. It is pure B.S. that he cares about any of us regardless of the promises he makes. Being President feeds Trump’s insatiable need for attention and praise.

        There are stories floating around, maybe are truthful, that in discussions with potential Vice Presidents he has promised them a free hand in running domestic and foreign policy. Trump thus would not have to do the heavy, time consuming, policy work but would have plenty of time to run around the globe collecting adoration.

  • JSpencer

    I like both of you guys, but am trying to figure out why you’re both so adamant in your denial. I guess if I knew the answer to that I’d be one up on every expert who is struggling with the same type of question – albeit on a larger scale. I suppose it’s enough that all of us here agree that DT is entirely unfit for the office he seeks, however, the parallels with autocrats of the past, both in terms of their behavior and (perhaps more importantly) the behavior of their supporters has enough resonance to concern a lot of people, some of them pretty smart people. I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss their concerns.

    • The Ohioan

      I think it’s a matter of not wanting to cry “wolf” when an attack dog is just barking.

      Some see the attack dog as not ever being as dangerous as a wolf; he’s never going to be free for one thing, and for another thing, he couldn’t do as much damage as a wolf anyway so it’s stupid to call him a wolf.

      Some see the potential of the attack dog being used by a jerk to harm people the jerk doesn’t like – which would be wolf enough for the people who get harmed – and they are warning those people to be aware that there are jerks around who would do just that.

      A little strained as a comparison, but different strokes (perspectives) for different folks.

      • JSpencer

        Not so strained, other than the fact the dogs hurt a lot more people on a regular basis and wolves almost never do. But to expand on your comparison: If someone has a potentially dangerous dog they are unable to socialize, is it better for them to keep it and hope it never hurts someone? Or is it better to get rid of it before it hurts someone and brings about a lawsuit?

        • The Ohioan

          It’s been my experience that people that keep attack dogs don’t care about either lawsuits or their dog hurting someone. They just like the idea of nobody messing with them. You probably know what I’m talking about, living in a rural area – as I used to do.

          Things are different outside of the cities; which is something that anyone who hasn’t lived there may not understand. Stephen King was good at expressing that.

          • JSpencer

            Indeed, and success doesn’t seem to have changed his ability to do that.

          • The Ohioan

            lol As soon as I hit the post button I thought – that should be is – not was! I haven’t read anything new of King’s for a long time, but for years – once every year I would re-read ‘The Stand’.

          • JSpencer

            Well, he’s put out a few smellers, but can still connect with his muse.

        • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist

          good point JS, and good question. It speaks also to who do you care for… others, or only oneself and one’s
          ‘loyal’ whichever

          • JSpencer

            Yes, I used it as a hypothetical, but also was faced with the very decision. I tried everything to make it work, but the dog was wired badly, and in the end I had to make a tough call… but it was the right one. I’ve had two wonderful dogs in the intervening years btw.

          • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist

            I would expect no less integrity re looking at all options and choosing what is best from a man like you JS. Im pretty sure you weighed, observed, analyzed and chose well. Keep on. The young who want to live with integrity are watching us all.

    • JSpencer

      What choice do you leave me? 🙂

      “I expect a lot of crickets on this one, BTW.”

      What’s good for the goose… etc.

  • It is hard to call Trump a fascist because he is not a nationalist. He lies about his nationalist ideals because that is what the Republican masses want to here. Trump only cares about himself, thinks about himself, he could care less about the United States of America outside of how its position in the world can support his brand and ego.
    Does he behave like a fascist…yes, but I think most sociopaths behave like fascists.
    This is what we need not forget…

    Donald Trump is a sociopath.

    • dduck

      Ok, I’ll take that.

  • jdledell

    Living in New Jersey, I have visited Atlantic City numerous times. In talking with the staff and dealers, there is almost a universal dislike of Trump. While Trump no longer has any casinos in the city, many former Trump workers moved on to other casinos. One Blackjack dealer told me a story about one evening when the Trump entourage came through. They stopped at her table and Trump looked at her and then whispered something to an aid and went on. The next morning she was called in and fired – it was said she was unprofessional. In reality, she was a 42 year single mom, and she felt like Trump thought her looks had faded. At a craps table, I was talking with another guy who was also just a looker. He has a private security company who provided extra security at casinos when they had illnesses or a big event. The Trump casino owed him $58,000 for services over about a 4 month period and he just kept getting a run around. Finally he heard Trump was in town and went to see him personally to collect. He had to threaten to put a lien on the casino in order to see the MAN himself. Finally, after aids kept shuttling in and out of the office with papers he went in. Trump’s first words were I see where you billed us $58,000 but I don’t think it was worth it. Tell you what, you seem like a nice guy so I’ll give you 70 cents on the dollar. After the guy yelped about having a contract, Trump told him he would now offer 50 cents on the dollar. The end result was in Trump’s bankruptcy he lost all $58,000.

    A former housekeeping manager told about getting screwed out of a month’s wages when she was let go and told to sue if she wanted the money – something she could not afford. There are any number of stories like this floating around Atlantic City. These people know Trump does not give too hoots for the common man – every thing Trump does it only for Trump.

    • dduck

      Lest we forget, there are two candidates that sometimes screw the little guys, although Trump may have more opportunities to do so.
      http://www.politico.com/story/2008/03/cash-strapped-clinton-fails-to-pay-bills-009259

      • Bob Munck

        there are two candidates

        The article is eight years old; did Clinton’s creditors eventually get paid? Partially, or in full?

    • rudi

      He’s done it in Miami at the Doral GC. This time trump is screwed by the little guy.
      Trump loses suit

      The Paint Spot of Doral sued for $34,000 in unpaid painting fees at Trump National

      Tiny shop slapped a lien on the property; judge ordered foreclosure date that was later canceled

      But Trump must pay nearly $300,000 in attorney’s fees

      • Sadly, this is how many businesses behave. The question is not right or wrong. The question is how much. Will it cost me more in attorney fees to fight doing the right thing or should I just go ahead and pay what is owed. Health insurance companies are great at this…. allow the customer a needed surgery or let them die and hope you can fight the lawsuit and/or bad PR.

        Granted… many corporations already own our politicians…we dont want one corporation owning the White House.

        This is my problem with the “he is not owned by lobbyists” argument. Yes he is! One corporation owns him…Trump Inc…or whatever he calls it

        • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist

          exceedingly sharp observation SL

    • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist

      that’s just egregious JD. I hope those persons will speak up now. Poor people. I hope they are doing much better away from trump.