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Rewind: August 6, 1945 Hiroshima: For Those Who Came, But Could Not Stay

FOR THOSE WHO CAME,
BUT COULD NOT STAY

While you and I were being born,
growing “in the little bread oven”…
as it was often said back then…
there were other little babies
across the world,
suddenly thrust
into real ovens,
and they were not allowed to grow any more.

Don’t tell me that that is the past
and none of our concern.
This is in cellular memory,
and we are here
to make certain that we speak
for those who were born and
who died before they could speak.

Don’t tell me that we have nothing to do with
what happened 57 and 65 years ago.
We know the 14th century too, and the plague.
We know of the Argonne and Ardennes,
and what happened there.
We know about Bataan and Armenia, and
about everything that has happened that never
should have happened if only a few more,
if only a few more could have awakened sooner.

Don’t tell me that was then and this is now;
Don’t get me started.

When we were being made,
there were other children being unmade
all across the world.
When you see the so-called ‘baby-boomers,’
remember they were the ones who survived.
Out of millions and millions
conceived and not yet born,
out of millions and millions born at that time.
the little ones walking and talking
all across the world,
we are some of the few children
who were not murdered,
who were not butchered
the very year we were made.
And all this counts for something important beyond time.

Were we not conceived in the war
during the midst of fire and explosions
and our fathers not coming home
and our grandmothers, our grandfathers wishing
they could jump into a grave somewhere themselves?
Were we not born in the midst of endless
flashing of fire in order to carry
the peace messages of
the begging dead?

No one of us still alive arrived without
a message, a set of exhortations.
It is not by accidental alchemy
that so many
of our generation are against war.
It is not by accident
that so many went to war
and want no more war ever again.

We were conceived in the midst
of blinding light, death everywhere.
For every ten born and killed there,
one
on this side
survived.
This counts for something,
a great and important something.

Some say there are so many of us:
So many boomers, the media says.
But if you are awake, you know
we are the few, not the many.
We are the few,
the very very few.

And the voices of the innocent dead
who ask to speak through us
cannot rest if we remain silent.

__________________
CODA
This poem was written to try to say a more clear and true fact about my generation’s precious lives than has previously been seen, defined or valued in pop culture. I think there is an over-arching and guiding archetypal motif attached to the destiny of each generation. I know the premise of this poem to my bones— that we of this particular generation were allowed, let to survive for a reason; that our child lives were some of the few that were spared worldwide during a time when innocent children were slaughtered wholesale worldwide. We survived. I believe this is why so many from this generation feel and know that our work is dedicated toward conciliation till the day we pass from this world. The flash of the bomb is upon us. The flash that killed so many of our generation across the world, but… and… also awakened others– the living amongst us– for life.

…. Argonne and Ardennes, Bataan and Armenia… are Western European, Philippine, and Asian sites of bloody battles and genocides during the 20th century.

Here too is a strong article Shinichi’s Trike & The Lessons Of War by Shaun Mullen, remembering this day and his vital journeys to the site Hiroshima. The photo at the top of this article is from Mullen’s website. His article begins:

Shinichi Tetsutani loved to ride his beloved tricycle outside his house in Higashi-Hakushima-Cho, a neighborhood in the Japanese port city of Hiroshima.

Shin-chan, as his family called the three-year-old, was doing just that on the morning of August 6, 1945, when there was a brilliant flash in the sky.

The boy was about a quarter mile from the hypocenter of the detonation of the first nuclear weapon to be used in anger, the consequence of a frightening new technology that its creators were all too aware would change warfare — and civilization — forever by wreaking unimaginable death and destruction.

Shin died that night, one of about 140,000 people to perish… and… three days later, 74,000 people died from a second atom bomb dropped on Japan… But, Shin’s young father felt his little son was too little to be buried far from his family, and grimly wrapped his child as best he could in the ritual way, and buried his child along with his tricycle, in the earthen shelter behind where once stood their small home.

I’d just add this: Forty years later in the summer of 1985, Shin’s father, now an old man, undertook the ritual preparations… and gently dug up Shinichi’s remains, transferring them to the family’s gravesite. The tricycle, as you see it above, was donated to the Peace Memorial Museum by the Tetsutani family, in honor of their boy and the others who died in the sudden flash of deathlight.



49 Responses to “Rewind: August 6, 1945 Hiroshima: For Those Who Came, But Could Not Stay”

  1. Thank you, Dr. E, for picking up where I left off. And with such feeling and insight.

    I believe that you and I should continue publish these twin posts each year until, to slightly paraphrase the great English songwriters Viv Stanshall and Steve Winwood, “Our quartz clock stops.”

  2. dduck says:

    When I hear American “exceptionalisim” bandied about, my mind flashes to the bombings at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yes, exceptionally cruel.
    Even Hammurabi would not consider this an eye for an eye. And, I don’t care that other nations have committed heinous actions against their enemies, I am talking about us, the U.S. The debate on this has been raging for decades, but we will never remove the scar it has placed on us. The best we can do, and we may not be doing it, is to indeed be exceptional in positive ways. Platitudes and speeches mean little, only positive actions help hide the scar of shame.
    I’m sorry if I have offended those in the military and their families who feel that this saved many of our troops from death, they have a valid point of view.

  3. LOGAN PENZA says:

    Regardless of what Truman’s subjective motives were, the use of the atomic bombs almost certainly saved millions of Japanese lives by preventing a full-scale invasion of the Japanese home islands.

  4. dduck says:

    I don’t want to debate, this has debated up the wahszu already. I only wanted to point out that the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki paid a terrible price.

  5. LOGAN PENZA says:

    As did the people of Dresden, where the attack was much less justifiable. The use of the atomic bombs receives too much critical attention while Dresden receives too little.

    Also, there were thousands of other cities leveled in World War II.

  6. rudi says:

    I hate to say it, but LP is right on this one. One other point, the Japanese, both civilian and soldiers, were brainwashed by their war effort. How many soldiers surrendered during the numerous island battles. I hate the use of nukes, but a conventional attack on Japan would have killed millions(IMO).

  7. dduck says:

    I apologize for not being able to make my points in my first comment. I am offering a scale and saying that H&N were the worst atrocity that man has perpetrated in one short act, and we are not exceptional if we are the ones who perpetrated it. Fortunately for us, the winners get to pick out those they say are the really bad guys.

  8. DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist says:

    Dr. E:

    As one of those who came (in 1940) and was allowed to stay just because of my geographical location on this planet, this really struck a chord in me.

    Thank you

  • dduck:

    Thank you for your clarification. The people of these cities did indeed pay a terrible price but their emperor and leaders are to blame.

  • dduck says:

    SM, I ‘m not sure if I agree with you, but I defend your right to say so.

  • dduck says:

    Wow, this new commenting system must have been designed by Washington.

  • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist says:

    thanks Shaun, it shall be done. Thanks all for remembering with us for a moment, a time that slaughtered the young from Borneo (yes, here that is not covered) to Burma (nor the loss of native life here), in the desert communities, the farm families across the world, the literally millions of refugees on the road with children.

    Thank you

  • Allen says:

    I’ve been to Hiroshima and saw the museum. I’ve also read history, remembering the rape of Nanking in particular. They took days to slaughtered hundreds of thousands just to give their troops bayonet “practice”.

    The story of civilian Chinese women forced to march along with conquering Japanese infantry as rape slaves is particularly horrific. A women with her baby child raped multiple times will holding her child as they climbed threw the mountains. The baby cried and a raping soldier bayoneted the baby and slung it over the cliff.

    I’m sorry, but the Japanese are a defeated people, and, rightly so. Japan’s stunning slaughter of human life where ever they went, should remind us of how easily people can be lead into the mindset of a monster for nationalistic reasons.

    We have our own monsters created by the institution of war. We have been light on them in my opinion. Not one executed. Barely inconvenienced by some show trial at best. War is an evil, evil thing that rots the soul.

  • dduck says:

    Allen, yes all that is horrific and there are many more examples. However, would an exceptional people incinerate over a million people to prove we can be as evil as the other guys, or are we not exceptional as our politicians tell us.
    And since we did a horrific act, that means our enemies are justified in committing one on us.
    Tit, for tat, tit for tat.

  • Allen says:

    I’m not understanding you duck.

    The Germans incinerated, or, otherwise slaughtered, six million people, not mentioning the total killed in that war of 54 million. We, the U.S., never incinerated or a “million”. The total killed by both atomic bombs dropped on Japan was less that the Japanese Army killed in Nanking alone. Specifically what are you talking about?

  • NICK RIVERA says:

    It’s fine to point out that a full scale invasion of Japan might have cost far more Japanese lives than the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. However, it’s hardly a justification for the latter act, as it’s an example of offering a false choice.

    People who justify the dropping of atomic bombs often bring up the invasion scenario as if the United States had absolutely no other choices but those two choices. Either the U.S. drops atomic bombs on two densely populated cities or it invades the country. No other choices.

    But the fact of the matter is that the U.S. did have other choices. The U.S. could have imposed a naval blockade around the country. The U.S. could have imposed even tighter economic sanctions. Or, having wrestled the Pacific from Japan and severely crippled the Japanese navy, the U.S. could have considered the mission accomplished.

    None of these would have been perfect choices. Indeed, there would have been foreseeable and unforeseeable consequences to each of the alternatives that I proposed.

    However, justifying Action A on the grounds that it wasn’t as bad as Action B is not a logical argument because it assumes that there were no other alternatives.

    It would be like trying to come up with a humane way for executing a prisoner and eventually deciding on stabbing the prisoner to death on the grounds that burning him alive would have been so much worse.

    It’s the offering of a false choice.

  • NICK RIVERA says:

    My last comment, notwithstanding, I have to agree with those who have pointed out that the ethical debate over the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki has (unfortunately) overshadowed the ethical debate over the fire-bombing of Dresden and Tokyo.

    I understand that war is “hell” and that it requires that difficult decisions be made. But those who wage war in the name of “freedom” or “justice” lose whatever credibility they might have when they decide to target civilian populations.

    And let’s just admit that that’s exactly what Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, and Dresden were: the deliberate killing of civilians.

  • dduck says:

    Ok, Allen, you are correct it was only 100,000 (it was so horrific that in my mind it seemed more) people incinerated. NICK, points out what I tried not to enter into a debate about, and eloquently. My point was not to equate killings, but to disagree with our exceptional boast.
    One further thing, in addition to a blockade, since that would have been slow, a demonstration using a smaller military target with press notification might have worked. And if it didn’t then we could have bombed ONE city of civilians. NO, this was a simple barbaric scientific demonstration of raw power and revenge (and, wake up roro, even a racist one).

  • Allen says:

    Duck

    You really need to read history.

    A blockade of Japan would have starved to death far more than two atomic bombs. The Japanese did not bother to answer Washington’s demand for surrender after the first bomb drop. That’s when President Harry Truman made his “rain of ruin” speech. Then we dropped the second bomb to press the point. There was a military coup attempt in Tokyo to force the Emperor’s hand not to surrender. The Japanese military, having lost ALL face, wanted to force every citizen to fight to the bitter end. A stupid, self indulging; “everybody must die because I failed”, persona. The Japanese should thank their lucky stars that some Japanese military officers had the good sense to stand up to these coup attempters or it would have been a total bloodbath had they overthrown the Civilian government and the Emperor to hold out against us. It would have been horrible beyond horror.

    I am not ashamed that we dropped those bombs. The first two incendiary bombing runs over Tokyo killed far more Japanese than did the atomic bombs. The atomic bombs just freaked them out so bad they wisely decided to surrender. Thus finally, the Japanese people met the rest of the world, rather than live backward in social isolationism. It turns out that the Japanese people are much wiser and much more productive when left on their volitions than under a military doctorial power. The Japanese have turned out to be one of the world’s astoundingly superior peoples. I believe, we have yet to see the best from the Japanese and look forward to learning more from them.

  • Allen says:

    Nick-

    It’s not a “fine” point, it is fact.

  • As a student of history and someone who has read exhaustively about the war in Pacific, the Manhattan Project and the deeply, deeply conflicted consciences of the leading nuclear scientists, as well as spent much time with elderly Japanese folk in talking about the war, I tread very carefully when making sweeping judgments about Truman and he and his staff arriving at the conclusion that at least one bomb had to be used.

    A demonstration explosion was considered up the last minute but it was decided that it would sway the militarists who were running the Japanese government. They were right.

    At the risk of being too long winded, let me tell you a story about one of those elderly Japanese folks.

    Ms. Myoshi was my landlady in Tokyo. She was unusual in that she went to Oxford (the first Japanese woman to do so) and her father was a rear admiral. As the firebombings because more intense in the spring of 1945, Mr. and Mrs. Myyoshi dug deep holes and buried their valuables in the yard of her home in the Roppongi district. Among the valuables was a lovely set of bisque white Wedgewood china dinner service.

    When the Myoshi’s returned after the war and dug up their valuables, the Wedgewood china had turned to cobalt blue because of the intense heat from the firebombings, which had leveled Roppongi.

    On the last night I spent with Japan, Mr. and Mrs. Miyoshi had me up to dinner. She told me that she had been meaning to show me something because “I would understand.”

    She brought out the china. A couple of tears rolled down the cheeks of this wonderful 85-year-old woman but she had a kind of weird smile on her face.

    “Don’t misunderstand me, Shaun-chan,” she said. “I am not crying for my china. I am crying for the culpability and stupidity of my people.”

  • dduck says:

    Allen, I guess you know that a blockade and a bombing of a military target wouldn’t have caused a surrender, even if it took some time. And if your assessment would have been correct, we still could have done the bombing. Was there some kind of time element that you can point to as they seem to have been surrounded at that point. If nothing else, I think it is reasonable to suspect that we acted hastily and wanted to demonstrate our terrible new weapon to the Japanese (and possibly the Russians).

  • Allen says:

    Duck-

    I don’t know. You are one suggesting that a, “blockade”, would have been better than atomic bombs, not me.

    Time element? You mean slow death vs. quick death? I shudder at the very thought. I have seen people slowly starve to death. The memory makes me cry a lot quicker and a lot harder than the Hiroshima museum did. Like right NOW on the Kenyan-Somali boarder rather than sixty six years ago. There is no excuse for people starving to death on this fruitful planet. The war against Japan was a different craziness from the same sin set, but in a different order of priority, occurring from a different perspective, on a different timeline.

    Time? Time relevant only to Einstein.

  • dduck says:

    Allen, thanks for answering my questions so clearly. I will now talk to my cat who also gives clear answers in quantum physics.

  • Allen says:

    Shaun-

    You are second guessing. Second guessing history can only take us so far and only answer “some” questions. Sometimes we have to repeat history to get the lesson into our thick primate skulls.

  • JSpencer says:

    Thank-you Dr. E. I’ve always felt the boomers traded much of their unique opportunity to make the world a better place for personal satisfaction and in many ways they have wasted their better potential in that trade. That said, it is hard to convince people that what is really of value usually can’t be measured by amounts of cool stuff, bigger houses, and far away vacations. Yes, we need to think about the generations who suffered and lost their chance to grow up and have lives of their own because of the cruelties inflicted upon them.

    “But those who wage war in the name of “freedom” or “justice” lose whatever credibility they might have when they decide to target civilian populations.”

    Well said Nick.

  • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist says:

    I’m often taken with that there’s much “Much” to every side of every story. Not just two sides. In this one, millions of sides. Many first-witnesses never ever heard from. Often only third person accounts and opinions. Thank you Shaun for letting us know dear Mrs. Myoshi, a first person witness. So rare. I’d recommend too to those here any of the books on post-bombings in Japan. One I recommend in one of my books: Hiroshima Maidens.

  • Allen says:

    Duck-

    Sorry.

    I’m honing my skills at your expense. I promises to do better if you don’t mind losing a quill or two for my writing utensil. Give some get some.

  • dduck says:

    Your skills need more honing than a few quills can provide. Try looking behind the propaganda practiced by all governments to “brain wash” their own populace.
    Avoiding pointed questions and adding other outside aspects knocks you down a few points.

  • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist says:

    Thanks JSpencer. You said it, what is of [lasting] value cant be measured those ways. I’d just add to one sentence you said, “some”… for it is true of our working class generation which was so killed dead often by a working class targeting vietnam draft, that ‘some’ of those of our generation, often far better off economically at start, took the headlines most often, and readers assumed we were them and they were us. We werent. They werent. No woodstock nation, nor yearning for it. No abbie hoffman following, no black panthers., no brown berets, no esalen, no hippidom. (for reasons we now understand better, understanding some MSM’s not impartial storytelling)

    But the working/creating/contributing boomers have almost never been in the headlines, nor sought this, unless one committed a crime or did some strange thing. A different media during ‘boomers” time, than their parents’ time. Far more tabloid-like in the 60s forward when so much coverage was competing with, for the first time, nightly television blow by blow from the war, something never before seen, and the most compelling, hideous, heartfelt, horrible stories ever witnessed by readers/viewers.

    I was just thinking while writing to you, I think for each one of the ‘boomer headliners’, I maybe can point to 10,000 who were/ are trying to live in social justice, raise children, take care of their folks, trying to get ahead in order to be responsive to community, family and others beyond community. But not sure this ‘silent majority’ have ever been seen as newsworthy. Often, when I read about ‘boomer’ generation being held as selfcentered for instance, or run ariot with excesses, I dont recognize what is being said re those I know. But then, I’ve lived like a lot of my peers in life, head down just trying to get my family to the next way station.

    My mother, who lived during the 20s said same odd, wavy lense was placed over her times: That newspapers, films, focused only on flappers/ mobsters and speak-easy life: But most of the young of her time were tending to farms and families and commerce as they knew it, or had just managed to survive WWI. For the majority, there was no glamour/disastrous life of the ‘roaring’ anything. Just work and family and hopes.

    One reason, why many first witness voices can actually tell the whole story, not just one page in a 20 million page volume.

  • Allen says:

    Duck-

    Waste your time with conspiracy theories if you like.

    When it comes to avoiding pointed questions, you are no slacker.

    You are such a cruel duck.

    I cannot change the past no more than you can understand it.

    You should be concerned with lives now, rather than lives, then. It’s the far more noble gesture.

  • Allen says:

    War without civilian death, or, the likely potential thereof, is just a game.

    Why play such a horrible game if nothing weighs in the balance?

    What egotistic fool would go along with such madness? The civilian spectators cheer for their team then go home for a respite until the next episode? It’s the pinnacle of arrogance.

    At the prospect of war you should be frightened out of your wits for yourself and your families. For if you are not then there is truly no reason for war at all.

  • Ras says:

    Hi Dr E.

    We as Americans and I being full Native American I beleive have learned our mistakes from our own persecution and fleeing from our enemy as our Past History has filled volumes of books and documentation of the horrors of war. America is not without blemish on the books recorded in History. Our Native lands were taken over -by force. I am not bitter because that was so far back in time that my people also suffered at the hands of European conquerors, but out of a tragedy comes a kernel of truth and grows that knowledge that humanity must survive if we are to emulate our higher principles and hold ourselves up as a model for future generations to follow. I think we have learned to help our brothers sisters in a spirit of kinship without distorted reference of a past and its prejudices..based on color of skin and fear of some unknown enemy because of their culture and tradition. Blind obedience only serves to “The blind leading the blind.”

  • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist says:

    dear Ras, youre commended. Of the three Nobel Peace Prize winners I’ve met, they say the same. Wherever there is suffering and slaughter, it is remarkable to see genuine love rise up. As more and more persons understand that every tribe of the face of the earth-and each person alive comes from a near or far back tribal group- has been sacrificed, meaning the people, the often unassuming and heartfelt people… often the more one is able to sometimes differentiate between leaders who demand mayhem, and the innocents. Thanks Ras, you said it: Without distorted reference to the past. I want to remember the past for what it teaches that can contribute to not doing a deleterious x ever again, not for avenging. I think many people are learning in this area. Newly thinking it through. They are the one who will lead/ bridge, I think. We’ve had, by my sights, more than enough of ‘you owe me’ for 500 years past. We are Native Americans from Mexico, mixed blood. There, los indios are not recognized as in the US. But Rigoberta, a K’iche’ mayan, is as loving a person as you’d ever meet; their holocaust only ended in the last 15 years. Archbishop Tutu, the same. Remarkable intelligence and gentleness and righteousness. Still, the ones who survive… are often drawn to larger viewpoint, even as some viewpoints become smaller.

  • RON BEASLEY says:

    I have some personal knowledge of this – my mother’s cousin was Richard Nelson -the radio operator on the Enola Gay. I grew up knowing him. He used to visit us regularly – a really nice guy it seemed. But as I grew older I began to realize that while he was successful he was also troubled. Yes he drank a lot but that was not it – he came from a family of hard drinking Swedes so nothing to see there. He chained smoked and that’s what eventually killed him in his late 70′s. Hard drinking Swedes tended to be chain smoking Swedes so not much to see there either. But there was something about him that I can’t describe. My personal ties make it difficult for me to pass judgement on Hiroshima but I remain convinced that Nagasaki was a message to Stalin not a message to end the war – it was already over.

  • PATRICK EDABURN, Assistant Editor says:

    Coming to this debate a tad late (working weekend) I find the comments interesting.

    I think the ultimate point is that trying to compare the decision to bomb to the ‘good alternative’ is impossible because in war there are no good alternatives.

    Would it have been more humane to blockade Japan and let millions starve ?

    Would it have been more humane to continue to kill tens of thousands in conventional bombing ?

    War is not a pretty thing and there are no clean ways out of it.

    Having said that we should be grateful that so far nobody else has been faced with the Hobsons choice Truman had.

  • PATRICK EDABURN, Assistant Editor says:

    As an addendum it is also worth pondering what might have happened if the mokusatsu mistake was not made.

  • Carol Wright says:

    First, I am glad the comments are under Dr. Estes’s fine poem and comments, not stuck in another section.

    As a boomer a few years younger than Dr. E, I can say that what she says is true. This event was imprinted on me, and all of us during the “Duck and Cover” exercises in our schools. Dad took the whole family shopping for a bomb shelter, but gave up when we cried “But what about Pepper and Pumpkin? What about the Johnsons?”

    The newspapers filled with articles and comparison charts of the Russian/USA arms race, and how many times we could kill everyone in the world. Again and again.

    Even as a kid I freaked, “this is insane, why isn’t anyone stopping it?” My parents took us to a drive in movie to see “On the Beach.” That was the turning point in my life. I didn’t know what to DO with it until the day the family went to Berkeley, and there was a beatnik carrying a sign with a peace symbol on it.

    “Dad what is that, who is he? What is that sign.” He explained that the peace sign was from signal flag, with ND…nuclear disamament it meant.

    Well, that was it, my direction was set. Anti war demonstrations, teargas during the Vietnam War…while on the board of the community theater, got Brecht’s “Mother Courage” slated for the following season.

    Anti war isn’t my focus now, but I am still, as Dr. E sometimes says, on the ocean, rowing. Different boats, but same ocean. Row row row.

  • dduck says:

    Ron has it right……………

  • JSpencer says:

    Dr. E, your observation about the “newsworthy” face of a generation, vs. the reality of who and what they were is of course 100% valid. Most of my boomer friends have have been living their lives much as their parents did before them. That is no sort of condemnation, but given the unique and incredible opportunities the boomers had in the way of information, access, and incentive as they were growing up (as compared to their parents) my expectations for society that would reflect the oft espoused values and vision that flourished in their first couple decades were high, hence a certain disappointment with the all too “human nature” centric fallback position. I know it’s easy to read this and imagine I was a starry eyed idealist, but I believe my hopes had a legitimate basis in reality. Ah well, with 6 decades under my belt now I can be a little more philosophical about it.

  • Allen says:

    Ron, the same message can go to several different entities at the same time. You could also truthfully say; “The second bomb was a message to the world that we indeed have more than one of these new weapons and that we have mastered their creation. A comfort to some, not to others. If it was, (as you say), meant “primarily” for Stalin, then it was good one that preserved peace. It prevented any ambitions that maniac may have had with storming the rest of Europe with his heathen hordes.

  • JSpencer says:

    Wonderful poem btw.

  • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist says:

    dear Allen, I know we learn as the decades unfurl, as archives are opened. Stalin murdered over 2M in the first years after the war, through starvation, ethnic cleansing and forced migration. It’s a long story Allen, but the bomb did not prevent Stalin in any way from being the butcher the allies knew he was, as he already came drenched in the blood of the people he’d murdered in Russia. It’s a long, long sad, repressed history that just in the last many years, via records openings, and still living witnesses from many E. Eu countries, comes back into focus. I wish that something could have stopped Joe the Butcher. But, nothing did. Not the US, not Britain.

  • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist says:

    “repressed” might not be the right word. Let us just say the media/ press and films have focused elsewhere post war years. The reportage and witness to Stalin’s murderous ways have always been present. When a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear… can have other ramifications that are hideous instead of holy

  • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist says:

    dear JSpencer, thank you. I think the holding of hope, even with our now 130 years plus under our belts, between you and me, lol, is the way to go, ever. Almost nothing comes out like the picture. But many of us strive to keep to the original premises; you too. That’s the most useful, I think, the one that can bear good fruit instead of mostly bitter fruit.

  • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist says:

    @Ron, you always have a way of telling a compelling story. Thank for this one from your personal witness

  • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist says:

    @Patrick, thank you for that …”no good alternatives” no humane alternatives. Yes, you are right. War truly truly for those on the ground, and on water and in the sky, is blood-drenched hell. No words I know are good enough… only poetry, or images or prayer can come close to accurately showing/telling about walking/stalking death. My own people who came as refugees, used to say, you can never understand, I can never tell you, there are no words. But their tears and fears and nightmares were their words for all their lives after.

  • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist says:

    @carol, thank you for the rewind to that time of bomb shelters. I love the child who asked but what about our dogs and cats, what about our neighbors. That’s close to it, ever, the child’s heart, when unruined, countenances so much love.

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