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Posted by on Feb 18, 2010 in Politics | 13 comments

Very important viewing

Granted Maddow is as liberal as you can get, but what she highlights in the video below is everything that is wrong with politics in America (and unfortunately in the UK). Politicians are now more concerned with scoring political points than actually truth telling. What is more worrying is that depending on your political affiliation, we as electorates are eating it up. I refuse to believe that we dont know that the men and women in Washington and London are pulling the wool over our eyes, we are conplicit in the lie.

Democrats should be as ashamed as Republicans about the mess that is congress and I dont blame Bah…Bye or Bayh…whatever his name is, for leaving.

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  • Axel Edgren

    “Democrats in congress should be as ashamed as Republicans about the mess that is congress and I dont blame Bah…Bye or Bayh…what his name is, for leaving.”

    Congress includes the house and the senate. I’m loath to hold both chambers equally culpable.

  • DaMav

    This whole meme about Republicans taking advantage of stimulus projects they didn’t vote for would be immeasurably strengthened by a list of Democrats who refused to take advantage of the Bush tax cuts they didn’t vote for. I’m sure there are many who said, “I’m going to pay higher taxes because I didn’t vote for the tax cut, and I urge people in my district to do the same.”

    Maybe one of the Maddow fans could come up with that list while the other one watches her program.

    • derHundepo

      That metaphor is such crap. No, they didn’t give back their tax cut. But neither did they go around saying, “hey, isn’t this the greatest thing we’ve done for you?! You should be so thankful that I’m there in Washington looking out for you!”

      • DaMav

        How about Biden trying to take credit for the outstanding success in Iraq? Just another example of the same thing.

        Not saying it shouldn’t be lampooned; but it’s a strongly bipartisan feature of politics.

        • derHundepo

          Yeah, I’ll have to agree with you on Biden. I do think, though, that they have had successes in Iraq, but then, I also think that the Surge wasn’t the worst thing in the world, and on the whole worked out (along with payoffs to the local warlords, or whatever the proper term is), so the least he could have done was not be so smug, and give a little credit where credit was also due.

  • Dp12345

    I am so deeply saddened by the state of our govt. I feel awful that many of our forefathers fought and died for the right to maintain a country with the most highly-evolved form of governmendid in the world… but I don’t think it can be called civil at this point. I wonder what the state of the country’s dialogue was like in the years leading up to the Civil War… was it anything as hateful and snide as we have today?

  • JSpencer

    Republicans must hate Maddow for holding the mirror up with such little regard for their feelings, afterall, that sort of hypocrisy and pandering to partisan fools can’t be an easy way of life. Then again, I could be wrong… maybe it’s easier than I think.

  • Leonidas

    Was the stimulas a good use of money overall? Nope.

    http://knowledge.wpcarey.asu.edu/article.cfm?articleid=1857
    Yet another issue is the cost of jobs related to the Recovery Act. Economists and the administration have estimated that perhaps 1.5 million jobs have been created or saved by the stimulus program so far. Critics have divided $787 billion by 1.5 million jobs to derive a disturbingly high estimate of about $525,000 per job.

    Is Obama creating jobs for Wall Street Executives or something?

    Are Congressmen hypocrites? Yes.

    • GeorgeSorwell

      Leonidas–

      What I’m getting from the article you linked is this: As more stimulus money gets spent, the better the whole stimulus works!!

      For example, I noticed the very next paragraph of the article you linked:

      But this approach fails to recognize that so far, only about one-third of the stimulus funds have been expended. According to the Recovery.Gov website, $269 billion in funds had been paid as of January 22, 2010. Dividing $269 billion by 1.5 million gives a very rough estimate of the cost per job of $179,000.

      You could, of course, say $179,000 per job is too much–but it is 34% of the number ($525,000) you are quoting, just one paragraph after the number you quote.

      Additionally, a little further down the piece you linked, they calculate an even lower figure of $117,933 for the fourth quarter of 2009. At that point we’re down to about 22% of that large number you quoted.

      On the whole, Leonidas, I think you’re a fair guy, even though I usually disagree with you. I guess maybe you saw that large number and stopped right there?

      Again, thanks for the link, dude!!

  • $199537

    Maddow is right – the GOP is being two-faced about the stimulus. Maddow also chose to minimize the items Kantor was reasonably criticizing – pork, wasteful spending and increasing debt. Maddow really is as much the problem as anyone else here and is reflective of many partisans who feel catching the other side in hypocrisy somehow legitimizes their own positions.

    Did the stimulus produce jobs – almost certainly it did. That doesn’t mean the stimulus was money well spent or that we shouldn’t be critical of pork projects within it

  • ProfElwood

    I think that there’s a much easier explanation. If I take a fire a man in Kentucky and use the money to hire someone in Nevada, I created a job in Nevada, but I didn’t create a job. As long as there is pork coming out of Washington DC, every legislator will fight for their share of it, but that doesn’t mean that they believe that it’s helping the country as a whole.

  • adelinesdad

    On one hand, of course anyone who says the stimulus has “created no jobs” is playing a word game and deserves the kind of beating that Maddow threw down. It would be ridiculous to say that there is not a single job that exists today that wouldn’t have existed without the stimulus. I could explain how you could possibly justify that kind of statement using some very twisted arguments about what “created” or “no” means. But I won’t even bother. In common language, “created no jobs” is just untrue. And therefore if they at the same time say that it is creating jobs in their districts, then they deserve the label of a hypocrite.

    On the other hand… no, actually on second though there is no other hand. They are being hypocrites. I was going to try to defend Cantor by linking to the full video of his remarks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52IaiRTp_S4), in which he goes on to say that he wished more the stimulus was geared toward projects like this, rather than on waste. That’s a perfectly legitimate position. However, it can’t be squared with his previous remark that the stimulus has “completely failed of create jobs”. I might have given him the benefit of the doubt, but since he inserted the word “completely” in a prepared remark, I can’t defend him.

    However, although I don’t think it redeems the Republicans in this case, may I point out that in general we should all be skeptical of opinion programs that use seconds-long video and take out fractions of sentences from letters (the rest of which was not readable) to make it’s point. How soon we forget the virtue of skepticism: http://sovereignmind.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/the-death-of-skepticism/

    If I may quote myself, from that previous link, in agreement with “we are complicit in the lie.”:

    In my perfect world, these sorts of purposeful distortions of truth should cause a campaign to go down in flames. Instead, we give them a slap on the wrist and look the other way, and so they continue to use these tactics, knowing that 90% of the people that hear their words will not have the skepticism to do the research for themselves to find out that what they are saying is not exactly true. Is it because we think politicians are always truthful? Of course not, we all know politicians lie and distort. I think what it means is that we’ve become so accustomed to it that we are content to be lied to, as long as our political ideologies are in agreement. So I don’t only blame the politicians for the mud-slinging that happens. I also blame the media and the people for letting it happen and not holding them accountable.

  • JeffersonDavis

    Maddow’s touting of “Republican Duality” is a misnomer.

    Let’s first state a small fact that the Tea Party types already know:
    BOTH parties have that flaw of circumventing the Constitution for political/monetary gain in their districts.
    Fact: It’s UNCONSITUTIONAL to do that from the federal public treasury.

    Now that we’ve established that both parties are guilty of this unconstituional behavior, we can counter Maddow’s assertion that the GOP is being two-faced in THIS instance. They are against the stimulus (although they were for it when Bush pushed it through Congress. THERE is your two-faced behavior. The Democrats, likewise, were against Bush’s plan, yet conveniently are for Obama’s plan – again, THERE is your two-faced behavior.

    Proof positive that BOTH parties are part of the problem here. Unless they are one of the few “real deals” in Congress (Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinch to name a couple), they should NOT get a vote in 2010 or 2012.

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