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The Drones Are Coming – Part II (UPDATED)


According to ABC News, the Federal Aviation Administration (F.A.A.) has announced that it is looking for six sites where unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) will be tested — “a major step for integrating domestic drones into the U.S. airspace system.”

The F.A.A. is requesting proposals from states, universities and other organizations and the agency has assured that the test site operators and its team members “will be required to operate in accordance with federal, state and other laws regarding the protection of an individual’s right to privacy.”

However, it is still not known which government agency will be responsible “for regulating privacy issues,” according to ABC News:

“It’s unknown at this point,” Gerald Dillingham, director of Physical Infrastructure Issues at the Government Accountability Office, said at a Science, Space and Technology House subcommittee Friday. “From our perspective, that’s one of the big obstacles to integration – that is public acceptance, public education, public concern about how their data will be used.”

Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight for the Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, said “American public are just frightened frankly about the use of UAS to possibly have invasions of their privacy and invasions of their civil rights and I’m extremely interested in making sure that we protect those privacy issues and civil rights issues.”

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Original Post:

Mr. Speaker, the domestic use of drones is on the way. There will be more eyes in the sky looking over America.

With these words, last week, Representative Ted Poe (R., Texas), reintroduced the Preserving American Privacy Act, “legislation [that] balances individual constitutional rights with legitimate government activity and the private use of drones.” Poe added, “We don’t have time to wait until 2030 when there are 30,000 drones in the sky.”

Poe also said:

Sometimes drones are good. We can thank drones for helping us track terrorists overseas and for helping us catch outlaws on the border. Legitimate uses by government and private citizens do occur, but a nosy neighbor or a Big Brother government does not have the right to look into a window without legitimate cause or, in the case of the government, probable cause.

While many Americans have serious reservations about the use of drones to target terrorists — or for that matter, for any military purpose — probably many more Americans would object to the use of drones within our country’s borders, especially after listening to Poe’s warnings:

According to the FAA, by 2015, it will allow the use of drones nationwide, and by 2030, 30,000 drones will be cruising American skies – looking, observing, filming, and hovering over America. They will come whether we like it or not. We will not know where they are or what they’re looking at or what their purpose is, whether it’s permitted or not permitted, whether it’s lawful or unlawful, and we really won’t know who is flying those drones.

Poe was referring to a federal law signed by President Obama last February that “compels the Federal Aviation Administration to allow drones to be used for all sorts of commercial endeavors — from selling real estate and dusting crops, to monitoring oil and wildlife, even shooting Hollywood films,” according to a New York Times article at the time. “Local police and emergency services will also be freer to send up their own drones,” the Times added.

In his speech to Congress last week, Poe also said:

Mr. Speaker, drones are easy to find. I learned from a simple Google search that you can buy a drone on eBay or at your local Radio Shack. It’s very easy. And as technology changes, Congress has the responsibility to be proactive and to protect the Fourth Amendment right of all citizens. The Fourth Amendment states, “The right of people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated.”

While Poe sees cases where the use of drones would be appropriate — “Law enforcement could use a drone for fire and rescue, to monitor droughts and to assess flood damage or to chase a fleeing criminal. And of course, the exceptions, called exigent circumstances, which are already in our law, will apply” — there is a fierce debate going on across the country, especially at local levels, expressing serious concerns about any and all uses of drones.

In today’s New York Times, “Rise of Drones in U.S. Drives Efforts to Limit Police Use,” we read about some of that debate:

Drones are becoming a darling of law enforcement authorities across the country. But they have given rise to fears of government surveillance, in many cases even before they take to the skies. And that has prompted local and state lawmakers from Seattle to Tallahassee to proscribe how they can be used by police or to ground them altogether.

Listen to Dave Norris, a city councilman in Charlottesville, Va., who says, “To me, it’s Big Brother in the sky…”

Read how in Norris’ home town:

…police officers are prohibited from using in criminal cases any evidence obtained by drones, also known as unmanned aerial vehicles. Never mind that the city police department does not have a drone, nor has it suggested buying one. The police are not barred from using drones for other efforts, like search and rescue.

Read how “the Seattle Police Department agreed to return its two still-unused drones to the manufacturer after Mayor Michael McGinn answered public protests by banning their use,” and about public opposition in Oakland, Calif., to the county sheriff’s proposal “to use federal money to buy a four-pound drone to help his officers track suspected criminals…”

But also read how state and local governments are trying to weigh “not only the demands of the police and civil libertarians but also tricky legal questions” and how they are trying to hammer out legislature that seeks to “permit certain uses, while reassuring citizens against unwanted snooping.”

Finally, a reader of an article here at TMV on the use of drones in the war on terrorism and for other military actions asked about commercial and financial interests associated with the drone industry. “If one follows the money with drones, where does that lead?” the reader asked.

According to the Times, the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International “downplays fears about wholesale surveillance. The drones for sale for civilian use, it says, are nothing like the armed military grade aircraft used in wars overseas.”

As to “follow the money,” the F.A.A. estimates that “the worldwide drone market could grow to $90 billion in the next decade,” according to the Times.

CODA: Congressman Poe’s speech on drones is titled “The Drones are Coming, Page II.”

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  • zephyr

    More and more technology, less and less common sense (which includes privacy rights Americans took for granted the first couple hundred years). I don’t like this trend.

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    I do agree that our privacy rights– even before drones — have steadily eroded.

  • ordinarysparrow

    Oh my… Am going to have to let this one sink in and settle…

    Thanks for posting this…

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    Thought you’d be interested, Ordinarysparrow — you were even quoted 🙂

  • ordinarysparrow

    Thanks Dorian for the information of the domestic use, find it most interesting and also frightening…

    As a child there were a science fiction/horror movie that was disturbing to the psyche. It was called The Blob…It would often come on the Saturday Afternoon Matinee.

    The Blob made 1958 which was Steve McQueens’s debut leading role. It is about a giant amoeba like blob that terrorizes a community, that could of been many American community. The Blob came from an alien force, is jelly like—- anytime any thing it touches, it sticks and attaches and begins to draw all that it touches into the Blob. The Blob grows in size each time it consumes something. The community attempts all kinds of ways to destroy the Blob. But it resistant and just keeps engulfing all that it touches. Finally someone uses a fire extinguisher, CO2 on a fire, and they notice the Blob retreats. They then gather all the fire extinguishers and freeze the Blob with the CO2. they call the Air Force and take the Blob to the North Pole, where it is dropped by parachute to the ice.. The film ends with the words ” The End”, which end up morphing into a question mark—suggesting that the Blob may return, leaving the film with a cliff hanger.

    In reflecting on this posting concerning drones; am taken back to The Blob. Is it possible that Global Warming has released the Blob in the form The Drones? 🙂

    Ayee…Unstoppable encroachment, that gets bigger with each mission.

  • hyperflow

    How is it that ideas commonly recognized as bad make it this far?

  • dduck

    It’s all Bush’s (Bush II, to be precise) fault, he started it. So let’s play the blame game and fault him for this latest episode (Big Brother Emerges) in the drone war, which really is droning on, but hey it is a slow news week. 🙂

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    “How is it that ideas commonly recognized as bad make it this far?”

    Thanks, hyperflow.

    In my opinion, there are some useful and legitimate uses of unmanned drones for civilian and commercial purposes in cases where it is too risky, or too expensive, etc., to use manned aircraft. Search and rescue, forest fires,etc. Congressman Poe, above, mentions a few others.

    But, as many will point out, there is always that proverbial “slippery slope” and their uses should be strictly monitored so as not to infringe on any of our privacy and other rights.

  • ordinarysparrow

    Came across this quote from 1935 and perhaps it continues to be a fresh for drones 2013….

    ” War is a racket . It always has been, it is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable surely the most vicious. It is the only one in which profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.” Major General, Smedley D. Butler, “War is a Racket” 1935

    • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

      Hi, Ordinarysparrow.

      Had not heard from you for a while.

      Your quote from General Butler — a true military hero, twice awarded the Medal of Honor — is timely.

      I quoted extensively here from the general’s speech almost four years ago when our nation was at the height of another racket war — the Iraq War.

      Parts of my CODA were:

      I highlight the General’s military career, heroism and patriotism, because so often we tend to associate opposition to military aggression with pacifism, or even with a lack of patriotism.

      I have selectively quoted specific excerpts from the General’s speech for two reasons.

      First, to try to “camouflage” the references to a particular war or conflict—to avoid “dating” the speech.

      Second, to highlight how some of Butler’s misgivings and concerns about the rationale for war; about some of the companies (the du Pont’s, the Bethlehem and United Steel’s, then; perhaps the Halliburton’s, KBR’s, Blackwater’s, today) that profit from war; but, more important, about the cost of war in terms of the human tragedy, ring so true today—76 years later.

      The reader of the entire, lengthy speech by Butler may not agree with everything he says about when and why our nation should go to war—I don‘t— but if there is anyone who has the right to express his opinions about war and peace, no matter how controversial, it is this U.S. Marine, this American hero.

      General Butler died on June 21, 1940—around the time our nation was on the brink of yet another war—after a successful post-military speaking, writing and very outspoken political activism career. A career that included running for the U.S. Senate in the Republican primary in Pennsylvania in 1932.

      ** In a “Foreword” to his speech, Butler said: “War is just a racket. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.”

  • dduck

    What Butler said.

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