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Posted by on Dec 11, 2012 in Economy, Featured, Politics | 19 comments

Republicans and Obama Clash Bigtime Over Financial Cliff Spending Cuts

Republicans open spending front in ‘cliff’ row (via AFP)

US President Barack Obama and Republicans waged a new spat over spending cuts Tuesday, as time ran short and little progress was evident towards ending a vexing year-end austerity and tax crisis. After days dueling over Obama’s demand for higher taxes on the rich, each side accused the other of failing…

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  • zephyr

    The GOP doesn’t really care about the “cliff” as much as they do fear-mongering about it. Thier history proves it. Bottom line: Their visit to the woodshed is long overdue. Obama needs to hang tough.

  • clarkma5

    It certainly feels like both sides are trying to maneuver themselves into a better position to gloat when we do go over the fiscal cliff instead of trying to work out a compromise, but it’s hard to judge that definitively without knowing what’s really being talked about behind closed doors.

  • slamfu

    Ditto what Zeph said. The idea that Boehner STILL thinks I’m stupid enough to blame Obama for the fact his party has been stonewalling and throwing a tantrum for the last 4 years is insulting. You want to show me Obama doesn’t know what he is doing, then let him run with it. Implement his suggestions. When they blow up, as you seem to really think they will, you can then claim that liberal agendas don’t work and no doubt coast whomever you want into the Oval Office in 2016. But this obstruction crap is getting really, really old.

  • Momzworld

    Here’s what FactCheck has to say on the subject:

    And I so agree with slamfu:

    this obstruction crap is getting really, really old.

    We’ve heard the same old lines now from the GOP until my head hurts. They have nothing new to say. I contacted our Rep. representative, and I got a letter back that read like a copy and paste from every statement made by Republicans for the last I don’t know how many months.

  • sheknows

    Amen Momzworld! I did the same thing to my Rep. Congressman and got back a computer generated form letter thanking me for my interest and blah, blah….

    Also received an email from Obama people asking me to CALL, provided the phone # for my congressman and to let them know what response I received from the Republican. Thought that was different. Haven’t called yet but plan to.

    Well, at least Obama is taking some action to find out what the people think. I bet there aren’t any emails going to Republican supporters asking them to call and let Dem congressmen know they want huge cuts to medicare and SS and no tax hikes for the wealthy. ( I would know, since I get regular emails from both camps)
    The Reps should be ashamed of themselves for this childish and self-serving behavior. Maybe in 2014 they won’t have much to say anymore.

  • dduck

    SK, ever wonder who paid for that email and why you didn’t get an email from the Reps?

  • sheknows

    dd…I do get emails from the Reps…all ther time. Lee Terry and Heineman. But they only want to tell me what a great job they are doing, farmers they visited and things of that nature and thank me for my support. So far, not one asking me what I think about the fiscal flap. 🙂

  • rudi

    Wonder how austerity is working in England and Ireland.
    GDP Annual Growth Rate
    Last Previous Highest Lowest Average
    Ireland -1.10 2.10 14.60 -7.40 3.87
    United Kingdom -0.10 -0.50 10.20 -6.10 2.56
    United States 2.50 2.10 13.40 -4.60 3.22

    Comparioson Google

  • SteveK

    “wonder who paid for that email”

    Well since both sides have databases with email addresses up the wazoo… And both sides have ‘smart folk’ working for them, the emails cost nothing more than what they are already spending. That’s the beauty (and the ugliness) of email… You can send millions at little or no cost.

    The difference is that President Obama wants to know what the people think… The Republicans don’t. They don’t have much interest in what people are thinking otherwise they’d ask. It’s the old “actions / words” thing.

    If the Republicans wanted other opinions Momzworld, sheknows, and dduck would have received emails “asking [them] to CALL, provided the phone # for [their] congressman”

    The truth of the matter is that “CURRENT” Republicans don’t want to be bothered.

  • dduck

    SK, those are your local representatives, and not at the presidential level or even the Boehner level. Please don’t ignore that the President is using your dollars to push the Dem agenda.

  • Momzworld

    Last I heard, dd, the Obama organization was asking their regular donors to continue their donations beyond the election to support the President’s efforts to promote and get passed the measures he promised during his campaigned. I guess you could call it a burden on tax payers, but since it’s voluntary, probably not.

  • sheknows

    dd..I am a bit confused. First of all, the email I received from Obama asked me to CALL my Republican congressman to let him know what issues are important to me regarding the fiscal debate. They provided the telephone # and asked me to get back to them with the response I received from my phone call. This is not a “local” representative. This is the same Republican congressman who will be casting a vote on the issues. You know, the same one who voted NAY on the disabilty act! As far as using my dollars to do this…how? He isn’t paying for the phone call ( which is not toll free by the way). He is using the same funds that my Rep congressman uses to email me about what a great job he is doing…every week or so!

  • hyperflow

    “Based on what you have heard or read, do you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following is handling the fiscal cliff budget negotiations? How about [see below]?”

    Approve, disapprove, Unsure

    “President Barack Obama”

    “Democratic leaders in Congress”

    “Republican leaders in Congress”

  • epiphyte

    OK, I think a second-grade level debate calls for a second-grade level solution – namely rock-paper-scissors. At noon on Friday both sides present their best plan to the CBO for evaluation, along with a pledge that whichever the wonks conclude works best, wins.

    That’s it.

  • Spoiler alert: I’m going to give away the ending to this play.

    We’ve seen this one way too many times already. Doesn’t anyone get tired of these remakes? There’s going to be a lot of wrangling, then a last minute deal will raise taxes a little, make a dramatic sounding set of cuts (mostly things that were going away on their own) by summing up 10 years worth of cuts or more, and then put off the real cuts to some future date.


  • dduck

    SK, sorry, I just don’t think any president should be as JG put it: “There had been some doubt among many whether — despite their assures they would not — Team Obama was going to make the same mistake it made after the 2008 elections and not use its impressive campaign apparatus linked up via email with millions of supporters to clamor and fight for Obama’s positions.

    Now there is no doubt they won’t make the same mistake: Stephanie Cutter, Deputy Campaign Manager of Obama for America, has just sent out this email, which we’ll run in full:”
    in another thread.

    Is he going to fly all over the country lobbying at factories with his blue collar speechifying on every important issue on our dime? Please, by all means call your local representatives and continue to receive their missives, but I think this presidential level campaigning is wrong, period.

  • zusa1

    DD, You can take the man out of the ACORN, but you can’t take the ACORN out of the man.

    At what point do we cross into propaganda territory?

    From WIKI:
    “Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument. Propaganda is usually repeated and dispersed over a wide variety of media in order to create the chosen result in audience attitudes.”

  • SteveK

    Is he going to fly all over the country lobbying at factories with his blue collar speechifying on every important issue on our dime?

    That’s what Presidents do… ALL Presidents.

    Here’s FactCheck.Org’s take on The Traveling President. It seems that there are two misleading chain e-mails circulating criticizing the Presidents travel (surprise, surprise) FactCheck.Org looks into them and debunks the misleading claims and exaggerations.

    Our inbox has been inundated with questions about two separate chain e-mails about President Barack Obama’s use of Air Force One in 2010, and about the number of people who accompanied him on a trip to England in 2009. But the suggestion that Obama is traveling more often on the presidential plane, and traveling with larger entourages on international trips than past presidents, is badly mistaken.
    The first e-mail forwarded to us by numerous readers claims that “Obama flew in Air Force One 172 times, almost every other day” last year. That’s based on a blog post written by the Los Angeles Times’ Andrew Malcolm, who got his figures from veteran CBS News reporter Mark Knoller. But figures provided to by the Air Force’s 89th Airlift Wing show that Obama traveled less on Air Force One last year, and in his first two years, than President George W. Bush did.
    The second frequently forwarded chain e-mail includes a column from Dale McFeatters of the Scripps Howard News Service. The column says that Obama — when he traveled to London in 2009 for an economic summit of the G-20 nations, not his most recent trip to London in May of this year — “arrived with 500 staff in tow, including 200 Secret Service agents, a team of six doctors, the White House chef and kitchen staff with the president’s own food and water.” But even assuming that the report is accurate, we also found government and news reports on the international travel of previous presidents that show they at times traveled with as many or more people as Obama reportedly did in 2009, and with similar personnel.

    Edit to add: Ditto to the fact that all Presidents use their campaign teams to promote their agenda and issues when in office. This is nothing new and pretending that it is doesn’t change anything except maybe your blood pressure!

  • dduck

    SK, sorry, I just don’t think any president

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