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Posted by on Jun 2, 2013 in Featured, Politics | 32 comments

Rep. Darrell Issa, With a Questionable Past, Calls White House Press Secretary Jay Carney a “Paid Liar”

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Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), chairman of House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, called White House press secretary Jay Carney a “paid liar,” who is not being truthful about the IRS snooping scandal, Politico reports. Fancy Darrell Issa calling anyone a liar, considering he was accused of criminal behavior in the past. These Republicans have a lot of nerve.

Darrell Issa “blasting” Jay Carney: “Their paid liar, their spokesperson… he’s still making up things about what happened and calling this a local rogue.”

Darrell Issa has a very troubling past and he should probably be the last person to call someone a liar, but of course, that’s typical Republican hubris. Martin Bashir recently pointed out that Issa had been indicted for car theft and arrested for carrying concealed weapons. There’s more. Ryan Lizza raised some troubling questions about Darrell Issa in an article that appeared in New York Magazine:

A member of Issa’s Army unit, Jay Bergey, told Williams that his most vivid recollection of the young Issa was that in December, 1971, Issa stole his car, a yellow Dodge Charger. “I confronted Issa,” Bergey said in 1998. “I got in his face and threatened to kill him, and magically my car reappeared the next day, abandoned on the turnpike.”

…On March 15, 1972, three months after Issa allegedly stole Jay Bergey’s car and one month after he left the Army for the first time, Ohio police arrested Issa and his older brother, William, and charged them with stealing a red Maserati from a Cleveland showroom. The judge eventually dismissed the case…

While the Maserati case was pending, Issa went to college. Just before 11 p.m. on Friday, December 1, 1972, two police officers on patrol in the small town of Adrian noticed Issa driving a yellow Volkswagen the wrong way down a one-way street. The police pulled him over, and, as Issa retrieved the car registration, an officer saw something peculiar in the glove compartment. He searched it, and, according to the police report, found a .25-calibre Colt automatic inside a box of ammunition, along with a “military pouch” that contained “44 rounds of ammo and a tear gas gun and two rounds of ammo for it.” Issa was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon.

Of course, judging by some of the comments on Politico about Issa calling Carney a “paid lair,” the right wingnuts are only too happy to veer off into birtherism, calling President Obama the “greasy Kenyan” and claiming his administration is the “most corrupt.” Um, how quickly they forget what happened under the previous Republican administration. I have to conclude by asking, shouldn’t the DCCC be going after Darrell Issa ahead of the 2014 elections?

This was cross-posted from the Hinterland Gazette.

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  • The_Ohioan

    I would rather know if Jay Carney is a paid liar. I already know Issa’s background and it has little to do with Mr. Carney’s veracity and not much to do with Mr. Issa’s unless we consider the word hypocrisy instead of hubris.

    This tendency to color an entire political party with the actions of only their wingnuts is not helpful. I’m not a Joe McCarthy type Democrat just because Alan Grayson is a member of the 113th Congress. There are enough GOP iniquities starting with their party platform in the last election to complain about, and I expect a lot of GOP members didn’t agree with it either.

    I’m sure as much as possible is being done by the Democrats to defeat Mr. Issa in 2014. I only hope it is all open and aboveboard (and legal). And is successful. We have no need for politicians of his caliber holding witch hunts. The quicker we can get some reasonable adults back into congress, the better off the country will be.

  • dduck

    Of course he is a paid liar and most of us use paid lawyers.
    However, Issa is a schmuck. Don’t throw rocks from inside your glass house and don’t get the press riled up and give them ammunition to dig into your checkered past.
    Did I mention he’s a schmuck.

  • DaGoat

    I agree with dduck that Issa is a schmuck, but he’s not a schmuck because of something he allegedly did 40 years ago. There are skeletons in he closet of most politicians.

    Is Carney a paid liar? Technically yes although lately I’ve felt sort of sorry for the guy. He doesn’t seem to be kept much in the loop, and is forced to go out and spout talking points whether they make much sense or not. Gibbs seemed to be much more in the inner circle.

  • Press secretaries are not new to Congress or White Houses. They take the info their boss gives them and deliver it to the press. Here in San Diego I worked under someone I really respected — Gerald Warren, who was Excutive Editor of the San Diego Union when I was hired in late 1982. He was a very forward looking guy who wanted the paper to do more on Mexico and the world. I liked him VERY much and he was often on PBS which used him when they wanted talking head once in a while. And, oh: he worked as a press spokesman for Richard Nixon under Ron Zigler. I also knew the late Otto Bos, a wonderful journalist and brilliant person who died at a young age of heart problems while playing sports. He was Senator Pete Wilson’s press secretary, leaving behind a career as a journalist. They all take the info they’re given and use that to communicate to the press. If Issa says this about Carney then I assume he feels that way about others who have had the same job with the same job expectation and same job description. They don’t re-report, talk to others in an administration to find out if the info is correct. And, unless I’m wrong, so far Issa has not proven his case. So his characterization is more of an emotional outburst than a statement of proven fact — at this point.

  • zusa1

    I hope I am not judged today and discounted by some of the dumbsh*t stuff I did when I was 18 or 19. Didn’t Obama also have some criminal behavior with drugs when he was young?

    Sounds like Issa had a thing for joyriding.

    “In English law,[1] joyriding is not considered to be theft, because the intention to “permanently deprive” the owner of the vehicle cannot be proven. Instead, a separate offense of “taking without consent”, usually known by the acronym TWOC, applies to motor vehicles.”

  • sheknows

    Joyriding sounds so much more innocuous than auto theft. Much in the same way as biological viability interruption sounds so much better than murder. 🙂

    Anyway, the people who knew him didn’t think much of the guy, anymore than many of us do.

  • The_Ohioan

    Mr. Issa is given to emotional outbursts, which may explain his earlier brushes with the law. He’s not the serious rational congress person one would want to head up a serious committee investigaton. What the victims can do, other than spend lots of money on lawyers, is unclear. The quicker he gets taken down, the better. Where is the next Joseph Welch that could do so?

    If Mr. Carney is being given conflicting information, he should probably explain why it is conflicting. If he is just a conduit, he can hardly be accused of lying. His sources might be, of course, but more likely it is a process of discovering new information all the time in which case he should state that. And maybe he has, not that that would faze Issa.

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    “Didn’t Obama also have some criminal behavior with drugs when he was young?”

    @ Suza:

    Do you have sources for such criminal behavior of the president? Or is this just a rhetorical? Or are you just casting your nets to see what comes up? Or just one of those “the other side does it, too?

    Just curious…

  • DaGoat

    DDW, Obama admitted to marijuana and cocaine use in his autobiography, so if nothing else he must have been guilty of possession.

    We should not judge him by that though, any more than Issa should be judged by his behavior 40 years ago.

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    Thanks, DG.

    I was just wondering about how a man with a criminal past managed to become President and, in addition, how Obama became part of a discussion about Mr. Issa’s alleged criminal past.

    Again, just curious.

  • zusa1

    ““I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though-Micky, my potential initiator, had been just a little too eager for me to go through with that.”

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    ““I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though-Micky, my potential initiator, had been just a little too eager for me to go through with that.”

    WOW! Now that is criminal!

  • zusa1

    “We should not judge him by that though, any more than Issa should be judged by his behavior 40 years ago.”

    That was my point. Thanks Dagoat.

  • sheknows

    The biggest difference I can see here is that Issa is still a schmuck 40 years later and Obama is not. It’s called growing up!

  • cjjack

    Issa’s past really isn’t the issue here, as far as I’m concerned. It is his (probably) deliberate ignorance and feigned outrage.

    I’ll stop short of accusing people of lying outright, but for the life of me I can’t recall a White House Press Secretary that didn’t stretch the truth a bit, or sugarcoat bad news, or stonewall reporters regarding sensitive information.

    Their job is not to answer questions. Their job is to not answer questions while appearing to answer them. Issa knows this. Chances are good that he’s done it himself. He’s just being rather inarticulate in expressing his feigned outrage.

  • zephyr

    More glaring hypocrisy from the political right. Big surprise. As for Jay Carney? Joe answered that. Just think about press secs going back over the decades.

    The biggest difference I can see here is that Issa is still a schmuck 40 years later and Obama is not.


  • The_Ohioan

    These efforts at deflection by bringing in “well, another person did it too ” or “another person was worse” should be ignored. To bite at them simply permits the deflector to continue a non sequitur argument. They don’t warrant attention except to point out that deflection has been attempted – and recognized.

  • dduck

    It all depends on when lying is lying.

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    Good advice, TO.

    Wish I had read such before I “bit.” 🙂

  • zusa1

    TO, I was not trying to deflect, merely point out that if actions at the age of 18 and 19 years old is pertinent for one, it should be pertinent for all (or in my opinion, not pertinent at all, which is what I was trying to illustrate).

    Deflection would be trying to talk about what someone did when they were 18 and 19 years old to draw attention away from the topic at hand.

  • DaGoat

    David Plouffe has now referred to Issa as ” Mr Grand Theft Auto and suspected arsonist/insurance swindler”, so I guess it’s open season on bringing up people’s pasts.

    And I agree with zusa1 – while bringing up other examples of misbehavior can be used as deflection, it can also be used to illustrate a point. In general it’s a bad idea to judge people by their distant pasts.

  • sheknows

    He forgot to mention carrying a concealed weapon. 🙂

  • The_Ohioan

    Dorian Don’t worry about it, others have “bit” too. Deflection can be used by both sides and is often couched as another example of something when it is really a ploy to deflect from the original topic. In this case, Rep. Issa’s background and how it pertains to his current bombastic pronouncements.

    Arguing that a 40 year old peccadillo (or law breaking), whatever, is a predicate for current unethical behaviour can be questioned. Stating objections to that argument based on one’s personal past behaviour is subjective but may be pertinent.

    Singling out any other politician is deflection, since it has no bearing on whether Mr. Issa’s current actions should or should not be connected to his past actions.

    Mr. Plouffe’s use of the same argument in his tweet offers no more or no less a valid basis for determining Mr. Issa’s ethical standards than this original thread. Mentioning it could be considered deflection or enlightenment depending on how and why it is presented.

  • zephyr

    Experimenting with pot and cocaine as a youth in a culture that was saturated with it is hardly cause for questioning anyones character. Stealing cars is quite a different matter. Very little equivalence there. In any case, we have current behaviors to compare. Also very little equivalence.

  • zusa1

    “Mentioning it could be considered deflection or enlightenment depending on how and why it is presented.”

    Or which side of the fence you are on.

  • roro80

    The man has garbage between the ears and a crator where his sense of humanity should be. His relationship with the truth is disfunctional at best. I didn’t know about his teenage shenanigans. He’s just a terrible, terrible Representative.

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Monday became the latest Republican to reject Darrell Issa’s comments that White House press secretary Jay Carney is a “paid liar” in relation to the IRS controversy. But Graham went further than his Republican colleagues, saying there’s no evidence that the White House ordered the tax agency to target conservative groups.


  • dduck

    The IRS workers could have been responding to a “dog whistle”. You can’t hear it, but finely tuned ears can in the form of the president’s (any president) remarks on the subject of the opposing party.

  • zusa1

    Issa needs to learn to under promise and over deliver. I agree that his tactics are hurting his own cause.

    Fwiw, based on the Cincinnati “low level workers” interviews, they were following orders emanating from Washington, which I took to mean the Washington IRS office. It doesn’t appear they were “going rogue”.

  • sheknows

    Ok, Ok, whatever…… Look Republicans…we have a REALLY stupid sequester going on now thanks to you,and people are suffering!!!! like no food. So what do you all say about addressing what is really important and get on with DOING YOUR JOBS!! We all noticed that you took care of the air traffic situation in a supersonic hurry, so how about getting elderly people some FOOD!!

    This whole IRS thing is completely ridiculous in light of what is happening. Get your frickin priorities straight and do what you were hired to do. We aren’t paying you for this garbage.

  • dduck

    OK, Washington, let’s drop all the mini-scandals and concentrate on ____________. That will fix everything and next we can concentrate on learning to walk and chew gum at the same time. 🙂

  • KP

    In the midst of the IRS issues in play, it seems reasonable that most everyone would be concerned about how the IRS conducts it’s business.

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