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Posted by on Dec 4, 2012 in At TMV | 21 comments

PPP Poll: Republicans Not Handling Election Results Well (AT ALL)

Whatever happened to the good, ‘ol days when partisans on the losing side of an election would try to find out what went wrong, then get to work to do better next time — rather than seeking fictional scapegoats or talking about pulling out of the United States since their side won? Apparently, we’re not quite in those days anymore:

PPP’s first post election national poll finds that Republicans are taking the results pretty hard…and also declining in numbers.

49% of GOP voters nationally say they think that ACORN stole the election for President Obama. We found that 52% of Republicans thought that ACORN stole the 2008 election for Obama, so this is a modest decline, but perhaps smaller than might have been expected given that ACORN doesn’t exist anymore.

Some GOP voters are so unhappy with the outcome that they no longer care to be a part of the United States. 25% of Republicans say they would like their state to secede from the union compared to 56% who want to stay and 19% who aren’t sure.

One reason that such a high percentage of Republicans are holding what could be seen as extreme views is that their numbers are declining. Our final poll before the election, which hit the final outcome almost on the head, found 39% of voters identifying themselves as Democrats and 37% as Republicans. Since the election we’ve seen a 5 point increase in Democratic identification to 44%, and a 5 point decrease in Republican identification to 32%.

Is it surprising that the GOP is losing some voters? There is a paranoia and mean-spiritedness on the part of some that won’t enlarge the tent, but cause some to gingerly or not too gingerly move to the exit flap. There are many serious and thoughtful Republicans. They need to step to the forfront to get their party back on track.

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  • slamfu

    Republicans be crazy. I find it hard to believe that tens of millions of them are so gullible. And I was a firm believer in that well before this poll came out, and this one might not even be worth much and frankly could be made up. I mean Rush has 20 million listeners and you have to be aggressively ignorant to stomach him. You have to have a need to be fed made up stuff and garbage conclusions based on sketchy information. Its why talk radio and FOX news will always have a market. Because there are LOTS of republicans that buy whatever they are told. They are not the fringe, they are rank and file. Its why liberal versions of it fail to generate similar numbers and will never be as dominant. There is simply a much smaller market for that crap on the left. Or Center.

  • zephyr

    More and more republicans behave like cult members first and citizens second, which is consistent with their worship of specific information sources. What will it take to snap them out of this state? A continuing loss of influence maybe.

  • zusa1

    The 12% of non – Republicans who also thought ACORN stole the election for President Obama were probably ACORN workers. 🙂

    BTW from WIKI
    “Partnership with Dailykos
    Many PPP election polls were commissioned by the liberal web-site DailyKos, although the company states that most of its revenue comes from other sources.”

  • Jim Satterfield

    Obama won the popular vote by 3.47 million. It was 51% to 48%. While the GOP hung onto their majority in the House they did lose seats, not gain them. And that was after having their way with redistricting in most states. In addition if the popular vote for house members is looked at in aggregate, the Democrats out polled the Republicans. And this PPP poll is hardly the only one that has shown many Republicans to be reality challenged. Why, I do believe a post in this thread even makes that point without meaning to do so.

  • cjjack

    You may own 99.99% of the broadcast media to help push the Lib agenda, but the Guy can be thumped again like he was 2 years ago when overreaching resulted in him losing 60+ seats in the house when you all were thrashed by the Repubs.

    Well for starters, “Libs” don’t own 99.99% of the broadcast media. Most media nowadays are owned by very large corporations which don’t exactly have a left-wing agenda.

    However, even if that were the case, then the 2010 election result you trumpet so loudly puts the lie to the notion that the “Libs” and their alleged airtight media control pushes election results.

    Come to think of it, if the alleged liberal media conspiracy were so powerful, then how did we manage to wind up with Republicans in control of all three branches of the federal government from 10 years ago up until about 5 years ago?

  • hyperflow

    smooth jazz: this is TMV — the MODERATE voice. Visitors of this site are moderates, many independents and TMV republicans are often RINOS and TMV democrats criticize the president.

    I mention this not as a matter of rule, but of custom, culture.
    Your comments here are very out of place, and if nothing else, the points that you are attempting to make are not landing on this audience. Deep breath and try again– what is the point you are trying to make?

  • Jim Satterfield

    I just provided facts that contradicted your unsupported claims, SJ. No spin. No propaganda. Just the numbers. I make no claims about huge margins of victory because that wasn’t what it was. But it wasn’t nearly as close as you claimed in your post, either. And you’re off by about 30 million in the number of people who voted in this election, too. It’s called innumeracy, I believe.

  • SteveK

    Only Liberals think barely over 50% of the vote means a resounding victory

    Too funny… Jazz seems to have misremembered ‘W’s’ political capital quote when Bush won the narrowest re-election of a president since 1916. Earning just barely over half the vote, and just 286 electoral votes.

    You asked, do I feel free. Let me put it to you this way: I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it. It is my style. That’s what happened in the — after the 2000 election, I earned some capital. I’ve earned capital in this election — and I’m going to spend it for what I told the people I’d spend it on, which is — you’ve heard the agenda: Social Security and tax reform, moving this economy forward, education, fighting and winning the war on terror. – George W. Bush

  • ShannonLeee

    Reps held onto the House because it is GERRYMANDERED, not because the public wanted the Tea Party to balance legislation.

    It is nice to have you here SJ. It is good for everyone to understand how the 28% thinks.

  • Ummm … ACORN? Where did they dredge that up, a 4-year old issue?

    It’s the lousy Bull Moosers! The damned Carpetbaggers, I tell ya! Jeffersonians! Gads I hate those traitorous Tories, it’s all their fault!

  • Smooth Jazz:

    No surprise that you have not taken to heart the lessons from an election that Romney should have won going away. To wit:

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    Don’t mean to pile on, Smooth Jazz, but swallow hard, look back, ponder and move on and try harder — with all Americans — next time. 🙂

  • dduck

    SJ, try a smoother approach next time with better numbers and in recognition that most here are savoring their victory (and it was well done). Your point that is was not a complete blowout is true, but there were serious flaws in the Reps thinking and handling of large groups that made the difference. As a nominal Rep, I am looking forward to better things from the Rep party in the future and yes, the whining has to stop so they can push forward and help slow down the financial death spiral we find ourselves in.

  • zusa1

    Sorry to disagree, but I don’t think of this site as moderate. The articles typically support a liberal agenda with a few conservatives members commenting. Occasional overlap of agreement. Heavy on Republican criticism, heavy on Democrat support. Everyone is saying the whining should stop…well so should the gloating; neither are very attractive.

  • roro80

    Where did they dredge that up, a 4-year old issue?

    And it was a whole-cloth fabrication (since we all need to fear calling it a *lie*, which it most emphatically was) 4 years ago, not that the ACORN pearl-clutchers ever bothered to follow up on that…

  • Sorry to disagree as well, zusai, but I see the problem differently. In my view, as a recovering ex-Republican who felt like I was purged out the party by the right wingers, the real issue has to do with political drift. With the Reppublican party moving to its extreme under the direction of the extreme right, positions that were once mainstream Republican are now considered to be part of a “liberal agenda”. A few examples:

    1. Ronald Reagan was the champion of immigration reform. Today’s Republicans author bills like Arizona’s SB 1070, dwell on concepts like “self deportation” and eschew Reaganesque comprehensive immigration reform asa liberal agenda item.
    2. Gerald Ford, with wife Betty at his side, supported and promoted the Equal Rights Amendment for women. Both of the Fords were pro choice. Today, Gerald and Betty Ford would be anathema to a national Republican administration because they would not toe the party platform line on anti-abortion absolutism. Their positions today, moderate Republican ideas, are today considered liberal agenda items.
    3. The Environmental Protection Agency came into being under a Republican administration, Richard Nixon. Today, environmental concern [see global warming] is considered a liberal agenda item.

    My opinion is that the Republican party has moved, not the center. Positions like the ones above were, and still are, moderate and worthy of moderate Republicans, if any still exist. Unfortunately today’s Republican Party has abondoned those, and many other, moderate positions and the people who espouse them.

    BTW, I’m no Democrat. Obama has never gotten my vote (I voted write-in in both 08 and 12). And, I still vote R often at the local level where I know the individuals and can assess character on an individual basis. I do now tend to view national and state-wide Republicans with suspicion and rarely vote for them.

  • dduck

    Z, we don’t consider them to be liberals, they just play devil’s advocates a lot. 🙂

  • dduck

    tb, they deserve your suspicion and derision.

  • roro80

    No spin. No propaganda. Just the numbers.

    Math is hard.

  • Jim Satterfield

    Math is hard.

    Another reason so many fail to understand subjects like science and how taxes really work.

  • cjjack

    I have to second what tidbits said. I too was once a Republican, but the party I once belonged to seems to have ceased to exist. What was once a party of practicality has become a party that puts ideology first. Compromise has become a dirty word in today’s GOP, and as we speak the party is throwing a very public tantrum over the fact that they will indeed have to compromise.

    Furthermore, the party has lately taken to ostracizing anyone who even appears moderate. I read an article recently by Bruce Bartlett – former Reagan and Bush 41 budget adviser – where he laid out his conservative bona fides upfront, then proceeded to explain why the current intransigence over even minor tax rate increases is short sighted and mathematically misguided.

    In the comments section, he was eviscerated for being a “liberal.”

    What the current incarnation of the GOP has done is try and create a world where the middle – whether it is moderates within the party or compromise with the other side – simply does not exist. In a country with a political system that was designed and built with compromise in mind, this is madness.

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