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Posted by on Oct 2, 2015 in Breaking News, Family, Featured, Religion | 4 comments

(Update – Video) Pope Held Real Audience with Same-Sex Couple Day Before Encounter with Kim Davis

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Those who interpreted the Pope’s so-called “private meeting” with anti-gay Rowan County, KY., Clerk Kim Davis as an endorsement of her position on same-sex marriage — now refuted by the Vatican — may have something new to ponder on.

As mentioned here, Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi had stated “The only real audience granted by the pope at the Nunciature was with one of his former students and his family.”

Well, it now appears that this “real audience” was with Yayo Grassi, an openly gay man and his partner Iwan and several other friends, a day before the encounter with Davis.

While Grassi declined to disclose details about the short audience, he said that it was arranged personally by the Pope via e-mail in the weeks ahead of the Pope’s visit, according to CNN.


“Three weeks before the trip, he called me on the phone and said he would love to give me a hug,” Grassi said.
The meeting between Grassi and the Pope adds another intriguing twist to the strange aftermath of Francis’ first-ever trip to the United States. Since news broke on Tuesday of Francis’ meeting with Davis, conservatives have cheered the seemingly implicit endorsement, while liberals have questioned how much the Pope knew about her case.


Grassi said that Pope Francis taught him in literature and psychology classes at Inmaculada Concepcion high school in Sante Fe, Argentina, from 1964-1965.
Grassi said the Pope has long known that he is gay, but has never condemned his sexuality or his same-sex relationship. Grassi said he and Iwan (he declined to disclose his last name due to privacy concerns) had previously met Francis in Rome.

Also, according to CNN, a video of the meeting shows Grassi and Francis greeting each other with a warm hug and “at the end the meeting, the Pope hugs both men and kisses them on the cheek.”

CNN also reports:

Grassi said he believes the Pope was “misled” into meeting with Davis, who served six days in a Kentucky jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
Davis’ lawyers had portrayed the papal meeting as an endorsement of her cause. After several days of questions and culture-war sparring, the Vatican said that was not the case.

Many were disappointed to hear about the Pope’s alleged private meeting with Kim Davis and about the Pope’s alleged support for her position on same-sex marriage but were somewhat conciliated when they heard the Vatican’s version.

It will be interesting to hear the reaction at this turn of events by those “critical” of gays and lesbians who warmly applauded the Pope for his meeting with and “endorsement” of Davis.


Video of Pope Francis’ meeting with Yayo Grassi, and his partner of 19 years, Iwan Bagus. Source:

Lead photo: Pope Francis greeted by President Obama at Andrews AFB. (White House photo)

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  • archangel

    Thanks Dorian for your post giving a bit of a better idea.

    i wasnt ‘disappointed’ at Francis meeting with davis’. It had to be understood in context of entirely other battles as well with francis and his henchmen. The canonization of the monster serra aside, but only for a moment, the pope and his ‘advisors’ apparently would like to involve themselves [again] in chipping away at the separation, clear separation of church and state. The medieval ideal is NO separation. Francis would have done much better to say to the gleeful obsequious davis, Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s… a direct quote. But francis did otherwise.

    It is unseemly if francis gave words of encouragement for davis’s petty actions she’s grown into a tin mountain, or anyone, to continue to commit crimes against the law of the land which are ONLY about two persons who love one another wantong to join in the rights enjoyed by others. After all, re francis, contradicting his own ‘What business is it of mine.’ He made it his business with this meet and greet.

    The issue of the pope meeting with a person clearly seeking limelight, literally screaming in her armwaving jeering manner at microphones to brag about her choice to break, time and again, Federal law in the usa regarding two persons marrying, Davis who apparently thinks the personal plaint of a petty official [herself] ought take precedence over the law of the land in this regard, a woman whose lawyer couldnt wait to grandstand about it all immediately after the ‘secret meeting’ as he crowed and personally characterized… and media ran with it– all that only fuels all the fat and grease fires already blazing, set by davis’ seemingly very well pre-organized forays before the press… pre-planning to position herself as the terrible terrible ‘victim’ of one of the only legalities in the USA that allows persons to live in more peace than most anything else: separation of church and state.

    Francis, in context, has similar record in his home country of supporting those who abandon the under-served and those not given equal rights. Not disappoinment. First bewilderment. Then seeing, this is a pattern. This is not new.

    • JSpencer

      Well, well, well… isn’t that interesting. It was a set up alright.

  • Now based on NPR, one of the main links in the set up of the Pope on this issue is the “Family Research Council” the well known political far-right conservative group…

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