ObamaDover.jpgSpeaking as one who has been critical of most of President Obama’s domestic initiatives this year, I find myself in the curious position of having to praise him three times in one week. First, he moved to finally provide long overdue improvements to the nation’s power grid. Then he worked with Congressional leadership to shut down foreign tax dodge schemes. (Sadly, with Charlie Rangel’s name on it.) And now, in the wee hours of the morning, he visited Dover Air Force Base to witness the return of the remains of American troops killed in combat.

I have a bad feeling that some of our conservative and Republican supporting friends are going to attack this as some sort of cheap political stunt or “using the bodies of our heroes for political gain,” but those of us who have been there might see it otherwise. The President is in the midst of wrestling with a very important decision regarding our future course in Afghanistan, and this is one aspect of that weighty choice which should never be far from his mind.

I have, unfortunately, had to attend a number of military funerals, including three in my own family. It is a powerful and moving experience which reminds us of the real price we pay in war and the debt and honor we owe to those who volunteer to put themselves in harm’s way in the defense of our country. It’s a very different experience than simply watching it on television or reading lists of casualty numbers in the newspaper. I’m glad that Obama took the time to fly out to Dover and witness this in person. He should also make time to go to the funerals of some of these men if the families choose to invite him.

The President owes us a comprehensive answer on what his plans are in Afghanistan. And I, for one, am glad that he is being deliberative and careful on this, so I’m willing to give him a reasonable amount of time to research and arrive at a decision. When he does reach a conclusion, I must insist that he be able to answer three questions for us, and they come straight from the Powell Doctrine.

1. What is our end goal in Afghanistan and what would constitute victory?
2. What resources do you require to achieve that victory? (And then we give him roughly twice that amount.)
3. Once that victory is achieved, what is your exit strategy to get us out and roughly when should we expect that to happen?

If the President can not succinctly answer all three of those questions, then we need to stop paddling around in circles in Afghanistan and get the hell out of there. And the biggest question for most Americans, I believe, is the first of the three. Are we still there for the express purpose of defeating those who attacked us on Sept. 11, 2001? Do we have some updated, plausible plan which will do further serious damage to AQ, (realizing we can never eliminate them entirely) finally capture/kill Osama bin Laden, or otherwise vastly reduce the threat of international terrorism? If so, then I may get behind a plan to continue or even expand our involvement.

But if the plan has now morphed into some sort of long term exercise in nation building, then I say we begin packing up our things right now and get the hell out of there. Robert Gibbs told us last night that the President is nearing the end of this decision process. I, for one, will be waiting to hear what those answers are. But in the meantime, this was a worthwhile trip for the President to make and I’m glad he did it.

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CStanley
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CStanley
6 years 10 months ago

Agreed- give him credit where due. Our CIC should always be committed to this difficult task during wartime.

tidbits
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tidbits
6 years 10 months ago

Every President makes some mistakes and gets some things right. Failure to recognize that is evidence of a lack of objectivity. Honoring our troops is getting it right.

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$199537
6 years 10 months ago
Jazz, I agree with one of your points and not with another. First – good job to Obama going to Dover, especially at night and with little fanfare. There had to be some temptation to milk it for publicity, and he deserves credit for his quiet and dignified approach. Second – on Afghanistan, you are more patient than I am. The Afghan government has been shaky for some time, the situation there has been deteriorating for years, and I just can’t buy the explanation that the recent election disputes justify delaying his decisions. Moreover, I have a strong suspicion that… Read more »
DLS
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DLS
6 years 10 months ago
Well, the “smart grid” announcement was gimmickry compared to real transmission construction and uprating (in voltage, using additional right-of-way rather than having to acquire new corridors), and it is a labor-saving measure as far as the power companies are concerned. Shutting down foreign tax evasion schemes should be also viewed critically, as the work of an avaricious (and hypocritical, in Rangel’s case) federal government. But going to Dover is a spotless decision. * * * “some of the delay [in sending troops to Afghanistan] is political” Yes, as Obama and the Dems have been faltering on domestic issues, currently, and… Read more »
DLS
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DLS
6 years 10 months ago

“What is our end goal in Afghanistan and what would constitute victory?”

1. Afghanistan versus Pakistan — allocation as well as deployment issues

2. Troops on the ground versus air strikes and UAV gizmology (risking the Rumsfeld approach, at worst)

3. Size of any commitment — go for broke, with everything up front, or retaining reserves (how much?)

TheGrandPanjandrum
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6 years 10 months ago

Rather than going to funerals, I would prefer he go with the notification team. Go knock on the door of the fallen’s next of kin and see the faces. Look into their eyes. He’ll never forget it. I know I haven’t.

TheMagicalSkyFather
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TheMagicalSkyFather
6 years 10 months ago

As much as I would love to see that I first can’t think of it ever happening in this country and therefore think that it would be seen as a political move and he would be instantly crucified for it. Still that is a move that would show brass balls that I would vote for, because I can think of nothing that would relay the feelings of the citizens of this nation toward their fallen soldiers than for a president himself to relay the news and eternal gratitude of the republic.

Almoderate
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Almoderate
6 years 10 months ago

Have to agree with you, there. Wouldn’t this be a different country if every American president had to personally deliver those notifications?

Silhouette
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Silhouette
6 years 10 months ago
Oh my yes. I elect Dick Cheney to have to do it for all returning dead. Obama’s not the one who lacks compassion for our servicepeople. What exactly are we trying to do in the region BTW? What EXACTLY is it that keeps us in Af/Pak? Is there some resource we’re after? Please don’t cite a “need to establish democracy”. I left my barf bag at the airport. There are plenty of countries having trouble with dictatorships and pernicious oligarchies. Why aren’t we there? Is Af/Pak our part of the Iraq bargain with Britain? Are they trying to have us… Read more »
TheMagicalSkyFather
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TheMagicalSkyFather
6 years 10 months ago
At one time we wanted to build an oil pipeline through Afgh. but I am unsure if that project was scrapped or moved forward. The reason we are there though is that the keys to a muscular Islamic state sit in Pakistan and if we are no longer relieving pressure on Pakistan the militants may turn on their host country which has nukes and a strong though compromised military. Other than that I think we are continuing the Pottery Barn “you break it you bought it”rule. I do not know how we can avoid Pakistan devolving into an Islamic state… Read more »
$199537
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$199537
6 years 10 months ago

At one time we wanted to build an oil pipeline through Afgh. but I am unsure if that project was scrapped or moved forward.

Do you mean the gas pipeline that Michael Moore suggested was the secret motive behind 9/11?

TheMagicalSkyFather
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TheMagicalSkyFather
6 years 10 months ago
He did?? Sorry, I missed that one I was speaking of the pipeline I heard discussed around 2002-2003 on NPR to by pass Iran. Don’t get me wrong I am a rust belt dem and I love me some MM but I missed that one or have forgotten it one or the other. As I understood it at the time though the Taliban was not blocking the pipeline while they were in power so I hardly see that as a motive #1 and #2 if it was why didn’t we say it was Iran instead since its easier to go… Read more »
TheMagicalSkyFather
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TheMagicalSkyFather
6 years 10 months ago
DLS
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DLS
6 years 10 months ago
“it would be seen as a political move and he would be instantly crucified for it” To me that’s secondary to the more-ordinary or popular[ist] concern, that it would come to be often or always expected of him. Once setting a precedent, it would tend (intended or not) to establish a pattern. * * * “What exactly are we trying to do in the region BTW? What EXACTLY is it that keeps us in Af/Pak? Is there some resource we’re after?” No. Your conspiracist slip is showing again. [staring] It has to do with fighting the terrorism more than establishing… Read more »
TheMagicalSkyFather
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TheMagicalSkyFather
6 years 10 months ago

I agree that it is in our interests to prop up Pakistan but not Saudi Arabia, I really think that is one area that our foreign policy is just down right stupid.

DLS
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DLS
6 years 10 months ago

“At one time we wanted to build an oil pipeline through Afgh.”

Yes — perfectly sensible and rational on its face: Ship Caspian petroleum products on a route that avoids Iran and Russia (and, note, Pakistan).

One problem: Afghanistan is unsafe and unstable.

TheMagicalSkyFather
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TheMagicalSkyFather
6 years 10 months ago

Exactly, i think that is why the idea fell off the map. I had also not thought about it setting a precedent if he went around and informed some families, very good point.

DLS
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DLS
6 years 10 months ago
“it is in our interests to prop up Pakistan but not Saudi Arabia” Oil security is the #1 US vital interest in the Middle East. (Americans generally value it over #2, Israel’s safety.) Having Saudi Arabia fall to terrorists would make the region unstable and threaten all the neighboring states. Having Saudi Arabia fall to terrorists would put the greatest oil wealth promptly into their hands. (Related to this: I have always been concerned that we’ll neglect Egypt, which is not a major oil exporter and which is lesser known as a terrorism locus, and Egypt’s government could then fall… Read more »
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