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NRA President: US Gun Lobby will ‘Defeat’ Assault Weapons Ban

US gun lobby will ‘defeat’ assault weapons ban (via AFP)

The president of the top US firearms lobby said on Sunday that his organization has enough backing from lawmakers to defeat a plan to outlaw assault weapons and sales of high-capacity ammunition clips. David Keene, president of the National Rifle Association, told CNN’s “State of the Union,” such proposals…

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  • sheknows

    Bring it!! After years of defeating gun legislation, I think they have finally been taken out on this one. All those lawmakers who vote against a ban will be on record. Where a population never really seemed to care before, they care now. If Republican lawmakers care about their constituents and re-election, they might want to reconsider this one. Their names and votes will be plastered publicly everywhere.

  • sheknows

    of course the conditions of the ban and it’s enforcement may be a joke.

  • zephyr

    This country would look and feel a LOT different if the people were calling the shots rather than a spineless, bought and sold congress. Keene’s confidence is illustrative of just how far back on the burner common sense and decency are anymore.

  • The_Ohioan

    Mr. Keene may be right. But each time we try, our collective strength increases. Blogs, the internet, and expanding cable networks will make this effort for 2/3rd of the population and 3/4 of NRA members different from any other previous efforts. Another test of whether we can govern ourselves successfully or not.

  • Much as I hope for the opposite, I fear Keene is right. There is a tiny, less than 5% chance, for the high capacity magazine ban. The assault weapons ban is the stuff of history and, sorry, fairy tales in this Congress. The most likely result is that these efforts will never be brought to the floor for a vote in the House snd will face fillibuster in the Senate (and may not have 51 votes in any event). There is some possibility around background check issues.

    The real hope is to push like hell on this issue, ID those who are the roadblocks, and work for a different Congress in 2014. That’s when something may be possible…if the gun violence issue is an election changer. You’ll need to turn gun rights extremism into the “legitimate rape” issue of 2014.

    Things worth doing sometimes take patience and time. Fighting and fighting and fighting, while not allowing discouragement to turn to hopelessness, will be key for those who are serious about change.

  • dduck

    Perhaps an up or down vote would shake things up and at least show the sides. I wonder how Harry will vote for instance.

  • Who does the NRA want to slaughter by insisting all their followers be armed with high-capacity clips?

    You only own things because you want to use things. The only use for these things is to commit mass murder or overthrow the government. Unless you’re just a fetishist or a hoarder.

    So the NRA is either plotting murder, armed insurrection, or has a personality disorder of some type.

    Yeah, we should listen to what THEY want :rollseyes:

  • dduck

    Barky, exaggerating doesn’t help the argument. “Who does the NRA want to slaughter by insisting all their followers be armed with high-capacity clips?” As a matter of fact: “74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun. 79 percent of NRA members and 80 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees … 75 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors, including assault. … 68 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence. … The NRA rank and file also supports barring people on terror watch lists from buying guns (71 percent) …”

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    Poll: Most Americans support new gun control measures

    Most Americans support tough new measures to combat gun violence, including a ban on assault weapons and posting armed guards at every school, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

    More than half of all Americans — 52 percent in the new poll — say the Newtown shootings made them more supportive of gun control; just 5 percent say they are now less apt to back tighter restrictions. Most also are at least somewhat worried about a mass shooting in their own community, with concern jumping to 65 percent among those with school-age children at home.

    The findings, which also show broad bipartisan support for requiring mandatory background checks for buyers at gun shows, come as President Obama said Monday he will lay out specific White House proposals on gun control legislation and executive actions this week.

    Read more here

  • dduck, I did a little (actually, a lot) of “googling” this evening. I went through all mass shootings, with 5 or more victims, over the past 10 years, to see how many had prior felony records:

    Douglas Williams, Meriden, Mississippi: killed 7, wounded 8. No prior criminal record.
    Nathan Gale, Columbus, Ohio: killed 5, wounded 7. No prior criminal record but was apparently discharged from the USMC under Section 8, so I’ll count that one as ‘caught in pre-screening;
    Terry Ratzmann, Brookfield, Wisconsin: killed 7, wounded 4. No prior criminal record.
    Jeffrey Weise, Red Lake, Minnesota: killed 10, wounded 5. No prior criminal record.
    Jennifer San Marco, Goleta, California: killed 8, wounded 0 (must’ve been a good shot). No prior criminal record.
    Kyle Huff, Capitol Hill, Washington: killed 7, wounded 2. Did have a felony on his record.
    Charles Carl Roberts, Amish school shooter: killed 6, wounded 5. No prior criminal record.
    Sulejman Talovi?, Salt Lake City, Utah: killed 6, wounded 4. No criminal record, but believable suspicion he had a juvenile record that was expunged when he became an adult.
    Seung-Hui Cho, Virginia Tech: killed 33, wounded 23. No prior criminal record.
    Tyler Peterson, Crandon, Wisconsin: killed 6, wounded 1. No prior criminal record.
    Robert A. Hawkins, Omaha, Nebraska: killed 9, wounded 4. Felon (drugs)
    Charles Lee Thornton, Kirkwood, Missouri: killed 6, wounded 2. No criminal record.
    Steven Kazmierczak, Northern Illinois University: killed 6, wounded 21. No criminal record.
    Wesley Neal Higdon, Henderson, Kentucky: killed 6, wounded 1. No criminal record.
    Robert Stewart, Carthage, North Carolina: killed 8, wounded 3. No criminal record.
    Jiverly Wong, Binghamton, New York: killed 14, wounded 4. No criminal record.
    Nidal Malik Hasan, Fort Hood: killed 13, wounded 30. No criminal record, although he was investigated by the FBI, so maybe something was going to come out of that.
    Maurice Clemmons, Parkland, Washington: killed 4, wounded 1. Felon.
    Omar S. Thornton, Manchester, Connecticut: killed 9, wounded 2. No criminal record.
    Jared Loughner, Tucson, Arizona: killed 6, wounded 13 including a sitting representative. Two misdemeanors.
    Eduardo Sencion, Carson City, Nevada: killed 5, wounded 7. No criminal record.
    Scott Evans Dekraai, Seal Beach, California: killed 8, wounded 1. No criminal record.
    Jeong Soo Paek, Norcross, Georgia: 5 killed (another good shot, no wounded). Once arrested for battery, charges dismissed.
    One L. Goh, Oakland, California: killed 7, wounded 3. No criminal record.
    Ian Stawicki, Seattle, Washington: 6 killed, 1 wounded. Four domestic violence misdemeanors, charges dismissed.
    James Holmes, Aurora, Colorado: 12 killed, 58 injured. No criminal record.
    Wade Michael Page, Oak Creek, Wisconsin: 6 killed, 1 injured. Criminal record, DUI misdemeanor.
    Andrew Engeldinger, Minneapolis, Minnesota: killed 7, wounded 1. No arrest record, some traffic stuff.
    Adam Lanza, Newtown, Connecticut: killed 28, injured 2. No criminal record.

    There you have it. 29 people killed 4 or more people with a firearm in the past 10 years. 260 dead, 214 wounded.

    Three felons. And one (or perhaps two) that would have shown up in a search of military records. Plus three more who had violent-type misdemeanors. That’s 8. Less than 1/3rd.

    Restricting purchase by felons … which most if not all states have anyway … wouldn’t make a snot-lick of a difference.

    But wait! There’s more!!

    While previously a small number of felons were able to reclaim their gun rights, the process became commonplace in many states in the late 1980s, after Congress started allowing state laws to dictate these reinstatements — part of an overhaul of federal gun laws orchestrated by the National Rifle Association. The restoration movement has gathered force in recent years, as gun rights advocates have sought to capitalize on the 2008 Supreme Court ruling that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to bear arms.

    Yeah, the NRA wants to keep guns out of the hands of felons …

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist


    Thanks for the good work, Barky (Although there is really nothing “good” about this entire sorry gun episode in our nation’s history)

  • ordinarysparrow

    Barky… thanks interesting… am taking your list and checking on the prior mental health history of each one…

  • dduck

    Barky, I was only objecting to that one sentence as being a little exaggerated.
    We are on the same page on the NRA. The quotes from the poll were for NRA MEMBERS and shows that they favor somewhat more control than do the NRA exec positions.
    I don’t think we should assume that all the members of this or any other organization always follow in lock step with what the top people are saying.

  • The quotes from the poll were for NRA MEMBERS and shows that they favor somewhat more control than do the NRA exec positions.
    I don’t think we should assume that all the members of this or any other organization always follow in lock step with what the top people are saying.

    I appreciate the sentiment about members vs. executives. However, when an organization no longer holds your values, you need to leave it.

    Barky… thanks interesting… am taking your list and checking on the prior mental health history of each one…

    There’s actually a lot of interesting data that should be gleaned by researching this stuff:

    — legally obtained vs. illegally obtained weapons
    — high-caliber, high-capacity weapons vs. standard handguns/rifles/shotguns
    — murder co-incident with other crime vs. murder AS the intended crime (two of the felons on that list killed people in pursuit of something else like robbery or drugs)
    — premeditation vs. a situation that just got out of control
    — and, yes, mental health

    But here’s the big problem I have with the mental health side of the solution: are people really promoting a nationwide “mental health database”? And what are the civil rights/personal privacy/discrimination issues that surround that??

    I could write pages and pages about the mental health side of the equation.

  • dduck

    Barky, I am not going to leave the Rep party. I hope the Dems fulfill all your values and you don’t have to leave.
    P.S. the mental health issue is a smoke screen for the NRA. We can never predict who will turn into a mass murderer much less an ordinary murderer.The Connecticut massacre occurred just two months after the American Academy of “Pediatrics issued a new policy statement on firearm-related injuries to children. Murder and accidental shootings were not the academy’s only concerns. “Suicides among the young are typically impulsive,” the statement noted, “and easy access to lethal weapons largely determines outcome.”

  • dduck

    Reference for the above:
    The NRA often quotes that suicides are lumped with murders and accident due to guns
    “keeping-guns-away-from-children/Among depressed adolescents, they said, “less than 5 percent of suicide attempts involving drugs are lethal, but 90 percent of those involving guns are.”

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