US gun lobby will ‘defeat’ assault weapons ban (via AFP)

The president of the top US firearms lobby said on Sunday that his organization has enough backing from lawmakers to defeat a plan to outlaw assault weapons and sales of high-capacity ammunition clips. David Keene, president of the National Rifle Association, told CNN’s “State of the Union,” such proposals…



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sheknows
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sheknows
3 years 8 months ago

Bring it!! After years of defeating gun legislation, I think they have finally been taken out on this one. All those lawmakers who vote against a ban will be on record. Where a population never really seemed to care before, they care now. If Republican lawmakers care about their constituents and re-election, they might want to reconsider this one. Their names and votes will be plastered publicly everywhere.

sheknows
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sheknows
3 years 8 months ago

of course the conditions of the ban and it’s enforcement may be a joke.

zephyr
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zephyr
3 years 8 months ago

This country would look and feel a LOT different if the people were calling the shots rather than a spineless, bought and sold congress. Keene’s confidence is illustrative of just how far back on the burner common sense and decency are anymore.

The_Ohioan
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The_Ohioan
3 years 8 months ago

Mr. Keene may be right. But each time we try, our collective strength increases. Blogs, the internet, and expanding cable networks will make this effort for 2/3rd of the population and 3/4 of NRA members different from any other previous efforts. Another test of whether we can govern ourselves successfully or not.

ELIJAH SWEETE
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3 years 8 months ago
Much as I hope for the opposite, I fear Keene is right. There is a tiny, less than 5% chance, for the high capacity magazine ban. The assault weapons ban is the stuff of history and, sorry, fairy tales in this Congress. The most likely result is that these efforts will never be brought to the floor for a vote in the House snd will face fillibuster in the Senate (and may not have 51 votes in any event). There is some possibility around background check issues. The real hope is to push like hell on this issue, ID those… Read more »
dduck
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dduck
3 years 8 months ago

Perhaps an up or down vote would shake things up and at least show the sides. I wonder how Harry will vote for instance.

Barky
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3 years 8 months ago

Who does the NRA want to slaughter by insisting all their followers be armed with high-capacity clips?

You only own things because you want to use things. The only use for these things is to commit mass murder or overthrow the government. Unless you’re just a fetishist or a hoarder.

So the NRA is either plotting murder, armed insurrection, or has a personality disorder of some type.

Yeah, we should listen to what THEY want :rollseyes:

dduck
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dduck
3 years 8 months ago
Barky, exaggerating doesn’t help the argument. “Who does the NRA want to slaughter by insisting all their followers be armed with high-capacity clips?” As a matter of fact: “74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun. 79 percent of NRA members and 80 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees … 75 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors, including assault. … 68… Read more »
Dorian de Wind, Military Affairs Columnist
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Poll: Most Americans support new gun control measures Most Americans support tough new measures to combat gun violence, including a ban on assault weapons and posting armed guards at every school, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. More than half of all Americans — 52 percent in the new poll — say the Newtown shootings made them more supportive of gun control; just 5 percent say they are now less apt to back tighter restrictions. Most also are at least somewhat worried about a mass shooting in their own community, with concern jumping to 65 percent among those… Read more »
Barky
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3 years 8 months ago
dduck, I did a little (actually, a lot) of “googling” this evening. I went through all mass shootings, with 5 or more victims, over the past 10 years, to see how many had prior felony records: Douglas Williams, Meriden, Mississippi: killed 7, wounded 8. No prior criminal record. Nathan Gale, Columbus, Ohio: killed 5, wounded 7. No prior criminal record but was apparently discharged from the USMC under Section 8, so I’ll count that one as ‘caught in pre-screening; Terry Ratzmann, Brookfield, Wisconsin: killed 7, wounded 4. No prior criminal record. Jeffrey Weise, Red Lake, Minnesota: killed 10, wounded 5.… Read more »
Dorian de Wind, Military Affairs Columnist
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Amazing!

Thanks for the good work, Barky (Although there is really nothing “good” about this entire sorry gun episode in our nation’s history)

ordinarysparrow
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ordinarysparrow
3 years 8 months ago

Barky… thanks interesting… am taking your list and checking on the prior mental health history of each one…

dduck
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dduck
3 years 8 months ago

Barky, I was only objecting to that one sentence as being a little exaggerated.
We are on the same page on the NRA. The quotes from the poll were for NRA MEMBERS and shows that they favor somewhat more control than do the NRA exec positions.
I don’t think we should assume that all the members of this or any other organization always follow in lock step with what the top people are saying.

Barky
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3 years 8 months ago
The quotes from the poll were for NRA MEMBERS and shows that they favor somewhat more control than do the NRA exec positions. I don’t think we should assume that all the members of this or any other organization always follow in lock step with what the top people are saying. I appreciate the sentiment about members vs. executives. However, when an organization no longer holds your values, you need to leave it. Barky… thanks interesting… am taking your list and checking on the prior mental health history of each one… There’s actually a lot of interesting data that should… Read more »
dduck
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dduck
3 years 8 months ago
Barky, I am not going to leave the Rep party. I hope the Dems fulfill all your values and you don’t have to leave. P.S. the mental health issue is a smoke screen for the NRA. We can never predict who will turn into a mass murderer much less an ordinary murderer.The Connecticut massacre occurred just two months after the American Academy of “Pediatrics issued a new policy statement on firearm-related injuries to children. Murder and accidental shootings were not the academy’s only concerns. “Suicides among the young are typically impulsive,” the statement noted, “and easy access to lethal weapons… Read more »
dduck
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dduck
3 years 8 months ago

Reference for the above: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/
The NRA often quotes that suicides are lumped with murders and accident due to guns
“keeping-guns-away-from-children/Among depressed adolescents, they said, “less than 5 percent of suicide attempts involving drugs are lethal, but 90 percent of those involving guns are.”

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