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Posted by on Oct 15, 2008 in At TMV, Politics | 7 comments

McCain and Obama: Some Debate Thoughts

Before I get into some comments on tonight’s debate I have a few thoughts for 2012 and beyond.

First off, in order to save us all some time in 2012 they could simply film one debate and then show reruns. They could film it in  front of a bluescreen to allow for different backgrounds and then replay the video. It’s not like anyone actually says anything or changes any answers from debate to debate so why not save the time and energy.

Also, we can do the same thing with the political commentary. If Paul Begala is around in 2028 to report on the debates I can tell you right now he will say <insert the name of Democratic candidate> won the debate and made no mistakes at all while <insert name of Republican candidate> had the worst debate performance ever. At least people like Bob Bennett or James Carville have the tact to periodically praise the opposition or condemn their own.

Looking to tonight, I pretty much have the same reaction I have to the last two events. On points it was pretty much a tossup. If Obama slightly won debate #2 then I think McCain probably won debate #3 and debate #1 was a real draw.

On image I think it depends on who you like. If you are a McCain supporter you probably were turned off by Obama’s smirks and found him condecending. If you are an Obama supporter you were turned off by McCains expressions and found him to be angry or disgruntled.

If you are truly undecided you probably felt both but I doubt it really mattered.

Personally I was again disappointed that neither one really answered any questions. I’m tired of people trying to make the problems we face a partisan blame game. As I’ve discussed before the mess (or messes) we are in are the result of a bipartisan effort over the last 20 years. Trying to paint one side as responsible for all the problems (or worse yet eager to have them) is not helpful.

Basically the debate was another tossup which means that the race is still pretty much over. Obama is likely to be President and likely to have a decent majority in Congress for at least 2 years. Given the current economic and foreign policy problems we face I am reminded of the saying ‘Be careful what you wish for’.

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  • JSpencer

    Patrick, did you really refer to Obama’s smile as a “smirk”? This is a word that describes insolence, smugness, contempt even… think of GWB if you want to visualize smirk, it used to be one of his trademarks. We haven’t seen it for quite some time now though… What you saw on Obama’s face was a tolerant smile likely derived from amusement and perhaps even disappointment… but it was definitely not a smirk.

  • Personally I was again disappointed that neither one really answered any questions. I’m tired of people trying to make the problems we face a partisan blame game. As I’ve discussed before the mess (or messes) we are in are the result of a bipartisan effort over the last 20 years. Trying to paint one side as responsible for all the problems (or worse yet eager to have them) is not helpful.

    That’s true up to a point, but Bush and the Republican Congress he had for the majority of his time in office were DISASTERS on an unprecedented scale. We’ve seen our economy crumble, our army crippled in an unnecessary war and our rights sacrificed on the altar of protecting us from terrorism.

  • kritt11

    Begala and Bennett are hacks— I only trust David Gergen– because he’s worked with presidents from both parties and is the most moderate of CNN’s pundits.

  • superdestroyer

    Does anyone really believe that the election cycle in 2012 will be relevant at all given the almost certainity that Obama will be reelected or that the general election in 2016 will be relevant since by that time that Republican Party will be so insignigicant that the only relevant elections will be from the Iowa Caucuses to the SuperTuesday primaries.

  • Manchester2

    In ’85, I bought a Plymouth Horizon. What a lemon! Funny thing is, it looked great on the outside. I now have a Ford Escort, not much to look at, nothing really appealing to the eye, not much charisma there, but it’s dependable and gets my family where we need to go.

    The Plymouth Horizon is Obama; the Ford Escort is McCain.

    Any questions?

  • kritt11

    SD- What makes you think Obama will be reelected? I’m predicting that if elected he will spend his entire term trying to undo the damage of the Bush years. Since we’re broke there will be a slew of campaign promises that he will be forced to break or put on hold, and the GOP and Fox will be out there reminding voters daily about how he sounded great but didn’t keep his word.

  • superdestroyer

    kritt11,

    No matter how badly Obama performs he will get the same level of supports from blacks, Hispanics, and coastal elite whites. There is just not enough swing voters these days to believe that the Republicans can comeup with a candidate that can win most of them. Remember, for the Republicans to remain competative, the Republican candidate has to win a higher percentage of the white vote in each presidential election cycle.

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