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Lindsey Graham is “very dangerous”

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John McCain’s little sidekick is pissed off:

Sen. Lindsey Graham is angry. He’s frustrated. He’s upset. In his own words, he’s “very dangerous.”

With the government shutdown now in its 12th day, and a possible U.S. debt default looming on Oct. 17, the veteran Republican was in the mood to lash out at everyone Saturday. President Barack Obama, House Republicans, Senate Democrats, Senate Republicans — they were all the target of Graham’s ire.

“The president is a pathetic leader. He’s only engaged in the last couple of days,” Graham said after the Senate blocked action on a Democratic plan for a “clean” debt-ceiling increase through 2014. “Every time you get close to getting a deal over here with our Democratic friends, they move the ball because some poll comes out. Our friends in the House apparently can’t muster the votes to send something over here to open up the government. So it’s dysfunction at every level.”

But the 58-year-old Graham wasn’t through venting yet. “You can blame us [Republicans], we’ve overplayed our hand, that’s for damn sure,” Graham said. “But their response, where the president and [Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid] basically shutting everybody out, and when you try to negotiate, they keep changing the terms of the deal… it’s very frustrating.”

“This is a very frustrated Lindsey Graham,” he added. “Which is a very dangerous thing.”

With all due respect, Senator Graham, which admittedly isn’t very much, go stick it.

It’s your pathetic party that’s doing this, holding the country hostage over its extremist right-wing agenda, threatening global economic catastrophe over the debt ceiling, shutting down the government because you and your fellow Republicans refuse to accept the results of democratic elections that don’t go in your favor, because an insanely irrational hatred of Obamacare has taken hold of your insanely irrational party.

And you’re a huge part of the problem, sucking up to the far right because you fear a primary challenge, engaging the Tea Party when it can boost your and your party’s electoral fortunes, putting your own ideological and partisan priorities ahead of the country whenever it suits you.

President Obama and the Democrats are fully within their right not to negotiate with terrorists.

Cross-posted from The Reaction

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  • JSpencer

    I couldn’t agree more. Any negative consequences incurred by republicans as the result of their reckless actions will be fully deserved.

  • ShannonLeee

    It’s the same old same old. EVERYONE is at fault, when actually it is just the Republican party. The GOP has been trying this theme for a week and it has failed terribly. The problem with consistency is that you tend to continue with a terrible plan, even after you have realized the damage it is doing. The GOP needs to flip-flop on this one.

  • Rip

    Watched him and some others on a talk show this morning and a theme that is coming through now is ‘Lets drop the budget/debt limit fight so we can get back to the job of doing everything in our power to destroy the ACA”. The new story line is that the initial tech glitches in the ACA web site prove that it is an utter failure and that a year from now the debt limit fight will be a distant memory and the ACA will be shown for the complete failure that it is and we republicans will come out victorious.

    Please give me whatever it is that they are taking. I want to live it a world where everything is wonderful despite polls, facts and public opinion.

  • sheknows

    Absolutely Joe, you nailed it.
    He is using the old tactic ( very effective btw) of accepting blame but then pointing out yours.
    See if you accept your PORTION of blame, you can “shame” the other side into making concessions and owning “their” portion of blame.
    This is very effective in convincing the public that indeed the Republicans made mistakes. but now so are the Democrats. The public, being eager to believe this, says to itself..”yeah, now the Dems are doing it”.
    Everyone forgets that this NEW extension hinges on the SAME terms as the shutdown. The exact terms which got the Republicans to ” over play their hand” as graham put it.

    This type of argument will actually implicate the Dems and president Obama in a failure to “save the country”. Very clever. Very warped. And as he stated…very dangerous.

  • Rip

    Maybe others watched George S. this morning. I truly don’t know for an absolute fact that the ACA will be everything it is touted to be but, I don’t think it will prove to be the utter failure a lot on the right are hoping it will be and are trying to make it to be. It is not perfect by any means but just imagine what it could be, IF, IF the republicans would truly work for the good of the country and put their time and energy into making it better instead of trying to destroy it for purely partisan reasons. Heck, I might even agree and stand with them on some of the improvements they promote!

  • ShannonLeee

    Ehh… all new websites have glitches. Shoot, I have yet to receive a new Windows OS that did not have MAJOR problems. It is the nature of software. Of course, I really dont expect much from a group of people that think the internet is a series of tubes.

  • rudi

    Medicare Plan D had initial start-up problems.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/01/obamacare-health-exchange-websites-down-glitches/2901595/

    The problems faced by customers Tuesday echoed those that confronted Medicare beneficiaries when they joined the program’s prescription drug coverage plan in January 2006. Then, patients said they were overcharged or couldn’t get their medications. Medicare Part D is now one of the health program’s most popular benefits, and it has been expanded by the Affordable Care Act.

    A search at CNET about glitches:
    http://news.cnet.com/1770-5_3-0.html?query=twitter+launch+glitch&tag=srch&searchtype=news
    Apple never had a launch glitch…(LMAO)

  • DaGoat

    I would disagree with Mr Stickings take and think Graham is correct. He is admitting the GOP was wrong but rightly pointing out there is still plenty of blame to go around.

    The discussion has changed considerably in the past week. I don’t see the GOP seriously looking to defund ObamaCare any more. Yes you will see some loudmouths on TV saying otherwise but really that is off the table.

    Many Democrats seem to be taking a hard line and placing putting their boot on the neck of the GOP ahead of getting a deal done, and that has been reflected in many of the comments here at TMV. When you see a deal from Susan Collins getting shot down that is not fighting the Tea Party, that is fighting the moderates that you need in order to get an agreement.

    Obama continues to be part of the problem as well. He is not a good negotiator and does not have a good working relationship with the House and Senate, even within his own party. His refusal to put the debt ceiling into the discussion is arbitrary and values that issue ahead of getting the government opened back up.

    This is not to hold the GOP blameless, they’ve been terrible and certainly hold more blame for this mess than the Democrats. At some point though the Democrats have to be the bigger person and make a few concessions, even symbolic ones, which is really what this is coming down to.

  • sheknows

    DaGoat “Rightly pointing out that there is plenty of blame to go around”. Would that be when Boehner and the party had ALREADY agreed to a negotiation and then CHANGED their minds ( if you can call them that) and “decided” to go for ACA again??
    Lindsay Graham has great appeal only for those who are easily confused, not what I would say about intelligent people at all.

    We have all been waiting for someone to explain just HOW the Democrats are responsible for the shutdown. Not accepting the ACA delay ( since it has always been scheduled to begin Oct) does not constitute blame. It IS the law. Must go before the SCOTUS, not the Dems.
    As far as Obama being a good negotiator? He is kicking butt right now….and that is kinder than the Reps deserve for their impunity, disrespectful behavior, total disregard for the country’s welfare and outrageous demands.

  • sheknows

    And no…that’s just it. The Dems do NOT have to “make concessions” and let these horrible people have an inch. They have already shown they are not interested in inches…they want their mile!!
    Why should the Dems always be cast in the role of “peacemaker” and ” nice guys” ?
    You Reps count on us being nicer than you are and take advantage..hell, expect it. Maybe not this time.

  • Nothing is 100% black and white. Do not misunderstand. I’m not saying both sides do it. I’d peg this one at 85% Republican responsibility and 15% Democratic responsibility.

    Initially it was probably 98%-2%. But, the D’s have pressed their advantage too much (overreach?). Reid and Obama have both evidenced an arrogant attitude, especially after it became clear the R’s were losing in the polls. They have pressed, for political advantage, to make the shutdown hurt (or be as obvious) as much as possible. That’s one R charge that may be true. They have also changed positions. The Collins’ proposal looked pretty good to everyone until the NBC/WSJ poll results followed Gallup. Then the D’s seemed to retrench to the “clean CR, clean debt limit increase” only position. There was nuanced position fluctuation that coincided with polling.

    Yes, all that is minor compared to the R’s extortion scheme. It’s not equivalence, but it’s also short sighted to suggest that the D’s have no faults in this. Rubbing the R’s noses in this stink will not serve the country well when next we need these folks to try to work together for the common good.

    Just my view.

  • DaGoat

    Why should the Dems always be cast in the role of “peacemaker” and ” nice guys” ?

    Because it’s a GOOD thing to be a peacemaker and nice guy?

  • sheknows

    Got it Elijah! I see your point and I raise you two. 1. What the Republicans did was more than like orchestrated, as more evidence is revealed. They already HAD a negotiation on the table when “suddenly” they “changed their minds” as Boehner put it. HUH????
    2. Blaming Obama for failing to try to work with the R’s for the “good of the country” is totally unfair. Obama has tried since 2008 to work across the aisle with these people, so to now claim he isn’t trying one must say it as ..he STOPPED trying.
    IMO, if you are all expecting the Dems to be the nice guy pushovers, you may be shocked. It is sort of like an abusive relationship, where one party is continually derided , obstructed, invalidated and insulted. Suddenly, without warning they just walk out of the frickin door and slam it shut. It’s over.

  • cjjack

    With regards to Obama’s negotiating skills, I think it is appropriate to once again use the hostage analogy.

    If a hostage situation ends with the perpetrator giving up all the hostages and flying away in the helicopter that was given to him as a condition, then it was not a successful negotiation.

    So when this began, the House Republicans had a gun to the head of the government, and were saying “either give up the ACA, or this old lady gets it!” Now they’re saying “okay, you can have the ACA, but we want a helicopter on the roof so we can make a clean getaway, or the old lady gets it!”

    DG,

    At some point though the Democrats have to be the bigger person and make a few concessions, even symbolic ones, which is really what this is coming down to.

    Concessions in exchange for what? The only things the Republicans have offered thus far are demands. Give us X or we won’t fund the government. Give us X or we won’t allow the government to pay it’s debts. What’s more, the funding and debt limit they are holding hostage are temporary. We’ve been through this before.

    The last time, Obama made concessions. What did the House Republicans do? They set about planning to extract even more concessions the next time the continuing resolution/debt limit fight came around. And it will come around again. Guaranteed. If Obama once again makes concessions to keep the government open, then the Republicans will – the nanosecond the deal is done – start making plans for the next shutdown. What will they demand next year? That Obama must resign or they won’t fund the government?

    Elijah says we shouldn’t rub their noses in the stink, but how else can we teach the Republican party to stop doing this? If the White House gives them an inch on this one, it will be like giving your dog a biscuit and a pat on the head every time she poops on the carpet.

  • Rambie

    Of course the poor little queen is upset and “dangerous”. Their plan to use the the budget & fiscal cliff as a two-edged axe to extort & circumvent the 2012 election so they could intact their economic policies and kill “Obamacare” has failed.

  • DaGoat

    cjjack I actually agree with many of the general points you’re making, but at some point you have to ask is teaching the GOP a lesson more important than getting the government going? If the Democrats have an opportunity for a deal but turn it down “to teach a lesson”, then who is holding the government hostage at that point?

    Personally I think the GOP is going to be just as obstructive whether Obama teaches them a lesson or not, in fact things may be worse in the future the more Obama rubs their noses in it.

    At base though all the analogies fall apart. This isn’t taking hostages or training dogs, it’s the government. For better or for worse it is a divided government and they have to work together to get a deal.

  • Rambie

    CJack, “…If the White House gives them an inch on this one, it will be like giving your dog a biscuit and a pat on the head every time she poops on the carpet.”

    I agree, but, the Dems and President Obama need to be very careful. The majority of the public is with them, but that could change. (see DaGoat’s point)

    I think the Dems should start at a 10 Month increase to the debt limit & budget at current levels. Note to the GOP, keeping the budget at current levels is ALREADY a concession to Republican demands. There is your “face saving” concession.

  • Rambie

    Elijah, “…Initially it was probably 98%-2%. But, the D’s have pressed their advantage too much (overreach?). Reid and Obama have both evidenced an arrogant attitude, especially after it became clear the R’s were losing in the polls.”

    Yet the Republicans keep demanding TOO much as a face saving concession. Keeping the budget at the sequester levels IS a concession to the Republicans.

  • cjjack

    DG,

    …at some point you have to ask is teaching the GOP a lesson more important than getting the government going?

    My point is that by giving in to the GOP demands in order to get the government going again, you are also teaching them a lesson…a lesson that is far more damaging to the government than a brief, contentious shutdown.

    For years now, the government has been funded on a series of these “continuing resolutions.” It has been going on long enough that it is in danger of becoming SOP for funding the government. No need to work up a budget or have a plan…no, we’ll just use stop-gap measures from here on out!

    These “continuing resolutions” only continue – as we’re seeing play out right now – at the whim of the Speaker of the House. Next year there will be another fight, and the government will only continue to operate if the Speaker so chooses, because that is the lesson the Republicans will have learned:

    Don’t get your way? Shut down the government, because the Speaker has the authority. Right now, Speaker Boehner can call a vote on a “clean” temporary funding bill, but he refuses to do so until his demands are met.

    If we set the precedent that henceforth the government will only continue to operate if the Speaker of the House says it can, then we will have given an inordinate and dangerous amount of power to whomever holds that gavel. Right now, that may seem like a wonderful idea to anyone dead set on Obama’s agenda moving forward, but what if the roles are reversed?

    Let’s say the shutdown is ended on favorable terms for the current Speaker, but the damage to the GOP leads to the Democrats taking the House in 2014. In 2016, Hillary Clinton is hit by a bus, and Vice President Biden is creamed in the election by a newly slimmed down Chris Christie and his running mate Tea Party Concession Pageant Winner.

    It won’t matter. An aging but still spry Speaker Pelosi will hold the power to shut down the government should President Christie refuse to enact her agenda. The Republican party will have given her all the power she needs to thwart their plans, and all because we in 2013 were too afraid to teach them the most important lesson:

    How our government is supposed to work.

  • StockBoyLA

    Who has the power to shut down the government? President Obama? Or the legislature? The president has no power to shut down the government, only the legislature does.

    Who has the power to repeal laws? President Obama? Or the legislature? The president can’t repeal laws, only the legislature can.

    In this case the Republican Party wants to repeal Obamacare, but they can’t by legitimate means. And they’ve had over 40 votes to repeal it in the legislature.

    Now these Republicans are using another power they have- the ability to shut down the government – in an attempt to have President Obama defund a legitimate law, which had significant input by both Dems and Republicans while it was being written.

    The only ones to blame are the Republicans. If the Republicans don’t like a law, they can (with enough support) repeal it. That is how this country works. They don’t get to threaten economic disaster and hold the country hostage just because they don’t have the votes to repeal a law through legitimate means.

  • DaGoat

    cjjack I am not following your argument. Congress has had the power to shut down the government for decades, and whether it is Speaker Pelosi or Speaker Boehner they should continue to have that power.

  • cjjack

    DG, are you suggesting that the way we are currently doing things – funding by emergency measures and facing a shutdown threat every year – is the way it should continue to be?

    Because what I’m saying (and I think I’m being clear enough) is that government by annual hostage-taking is a bad idea. I’m saying that Boehner and the GOP are abusing the power granted to them, and if that abuse of power becomes precedent, then what? Do you want this to happen at the end of every fiscal year moving forward?

    I don’t.

  • DaGoat

    cjjack the GOP is abusing their power, but I am not convinced what you’re suggesting will keep them from doing it again. In the future though, if Speaker Pelosi believes there’s a serious problem she should have the same rights Boehner does.

  • sheknows

    Wait a minute….why is it suddenly all about the Democrats ” getting the country going” as DG said.
    I think there is a slight distortion in thinking here, like it’s ” well, yes the R’s did a bad thing, so now it’s up to the Dems to be the “bigger” people and clean up the mess and take care of the country. NOT SO.
    It is up to the Republicans to provide a serious offer in negotiation, and to be willing to KEEP negotiating until everyone feels it fair and just and not go running to the media crying like big babies that ” they aren’t getting their way” and Democrats won’t play with them now. Republicans get paid the same as Democrats. They need to earn it. They need to suck it up…sit down at the table and act like adults, and clean up their own mess by starting with realistic offers.

    As a form of apology to the American people for wasting their time and causing needless concern and shutting down the government over partisan jealousy and nasty intentions, they SHOULD be humbled, and the Dems don’t have to bail them out.

  • Rather than just sticking it to the Republicans, Democrats should consider taking a longer view if they want this mess to work to their advantage long term. Consider this, please.

    The Republicans are currently seen as being mean spirited, caring more about politics than what’s good for the country. That’s what the back polls show undergirds their sinking approval numbers, particularly among independents who determine future elections.

    If the Democrats now begin to look petty and mean spirited, wanting to rub the R’s noses in it, and appear more interested in politics than what’s good for the country, the D’s will suffer the same fate as the R’s in the eyes of the voters that swing elections.

    Being, or appearing, gracious in victory can be as important as winning, and much more important than rubbing someone’s nose in it. Just like the blowback currently being felt by R’s, there will be blowback against D’s if they are seen as mirror image.

    Remember what happened in 2010 when D’s overreached and used their majorities to steam roll R’s.

    This does not mean D’s or Obama should cave. They should not…for precedential reasons. But, they must appear gracious, not gloating or mean spirited. Appearances matter where voters are concerned.

  • JSpencer

    Trying to spin technical startup glitches as a failure of the ACA is only the latest example of how much the GOP loves false narratives. It also shows their level of desperation is growing. Btw, I’d trust Lindsey Graham about as far as I could throw him.

    The point about being gracious in victory is an important one Elijah, I’m glad you mentioned it and I hope democrats will keep it in mind – if and when they have something to be victorious about. 😉

  • sheknows

    Let me see if I have this right. The Democrats should be the bigger person so to speak in order for the government to move along. Even though the Reps would take down the entire government and caused TREMENDOUS hardship for innocents across the nation over this ACA, they should be given some slack by the Dems now…am I getting this right? All of course, for the good of the country ( which if left to the Republicans is already sh**canned).

    President Obama IMO has appeared gracious more times than anyone remembers, that I am certain of. He has been non confrontational and cerebral when dealing with the most difficult administration a modern day president ever endured….and he IS doing it with grace and dignity.
    It sounds to me as though he and Reid are to be begrudged their fleeting moment of triumph when the people…the actual public has condemned the r’s for their selfishness.
    After 5 years of hearing their lies and STILL hearing them, where does magnanimous enter into it?
    It sounds like since we cannot depend on the R party to do the right thing, we must turn to the D party for help. I think we tried that last time. It didn’t work. Democrats aren’t psychologists.. or miracle workers. The Reps will just have to try and ” pull themselves up by their bootstraps” as they have advised the countless poor to do.

  • DaGoat

    We are probably at the point where Democrats have the upper hand. If they want the government to remain closed while they punish the Republicans, hold the line and extract every last bit of concessions they can, that’s certainly their option.

  • ROBERT COUTINHO

    As I said in an earlier post, payback is a bitch!

  • sheknows

    Just an added note here. Not to belabor this but what we have is the R’s falling on their faces and ( had the polls kept showing 50/50 this whole discussion would not be happening and it would still be the R’s reigning terror) crying that we are going to do what THEY did..and be immovable and unreasonable. wha…wha..
    As I said earlier in the post. Let then act like adults and bring legitmate offers to the table and deal with it like they should. In a COMPROMISING FASHION!

  • sheknows

    DG, and here you said once that you were no longer a Republican and that you left the party back in 2008.

    You are thinking in terms the Republicans think in..” upper hand”. and ” if THEY want the government to remain closed while they punish the Reps”. ( placing responsibility again on someone OTHER than themselves)…..brother!!

    Not too many people know this , but before Boehner was told to change the agenda to ACA by his puppet masters, the offer on the table was ALREADY outrageous. over $70B in Medicare $130B in SS and NO INCREASE in taxes for the wealthy of course. So if we go back to THIS square one, you can be certain it will be thrown back. Just so everyone knows …this isn’t about “punishing” it’s about doing the right thing for the American people. ( something the R’s are not concerned with.)

    I guess you can take the person out of the Republican party, but you can’t ever take the Republican party out of the person.

  • Rambie

    “…The point about being gracious in victory is an important one Elijah, I’m glad you mentioned it and I hope democrats will keep it in mind – if and when they have something to be victorious about. 😉 … ”

    Pretty much agree there. The GOP has yet to accept defeat, Sen Collins plan wasn’t a bad starting point on the R’s side. I think extending the CR and debt limit timelines to next May/June and letting the GOP keep the sequester level budget levels is a good compromise.

  • DaGoat

    SK I would appreciate if you could keep to the discussion without making personal references.

    I disagree with the GOP on many many things. I actually once did a post on all the things I disagree with the GOP on, but it was futile since so many people tend to take the stance that if you’re not with them, you’re against them.

  • cjjack

    Elijah,

    Being, or appearing, gracious in victory can be as important as winning, and much more important than rubbing someone’s nose in it.

    I think part of the problem here is that “rubbing someone’s nose in it” is somewhat subjective depending on the observer. As we’ve seen in the past, the President stating the simple fact that he won reelection is called “gloating” by his detractors. If he is deferential to another head of state, he’s called “weak.” If he helps some rebels overthrow another head of state, he’s called a “warmonger.” No doubt whatever he says after this debacle is over will be taken as his opponents as the most offensive thing he’s ever uttered…for that week.

    Is it important to be gracious in victory? Yes, and I’d say it is equally if not more important to be gracious in defeat.

    What is this entire government shutdown about? The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, or “Obamacare.” A victory that was won three years ago by the Obama administration and the then majority of Democrats in Congress.

    It was, of course, a defeat for the Republicans. Yet rather than be gracious, they have spent the last three years attempting to overturn the results of that contest. The Republicans in Congress voted 46 times to repeal or dismantle the health care law. They lost. They took it to the Supreme Court, and lost. They took it to the American people again in 2012 – with their candidate running on a promise to repeal and replace the law – and they lost.

    If you count the passage of the law, the failed votes to overturn, the Supreme Court ruling and the 2012 election, the GOP has lost the fight on the ACA 49 times in a row.

    The problem here is not the Democrats and a question of whether they’re being too mean. The problem is that the Republicans refuse to accept – graciously or otherwise – that they were defeated on this three years ago.

  • cjj,

    You said

    It was, of course, a defeat for the Republicans. Yet rather than be gracious, they have spent the last three years attempting to overturn the results of that contest.

    And now they stand at 24% approval rating, with 70% saying congressional Republicans care more about politics than the best interests of the country. Hmmm. I think you just made my point for me. Partisan lack of grace alienates voters…except for the partisans who want their side to win. My advice to Democrats is simple. Don’t make the same mistake the Republicans made. Grace, rather than arrogance, will wear well with the non-partisan portion of the electorate.

    This is a hard point to make because we currently have an abundance of Democrats commenting at The Moderate Voice. That was not always true, and I suspect will move again with time. Whether R or D, it is always difficult to persuade partisans of what is in their best electoral interest. They just love to win, or should I say WIN, so much that it’s hard to see to the next election or the next real need for national unity.

    Being ungracious has worked against the R’s. In 2010 a perception of ungraciousness (overreach) worked against the D’s. In 2014 and 2016 it will again work against whichever party is perceived as ungracious.

    Your point that Obama will be portrayed as ungracious by the R’s, no matter what, is true. Partisans always portray the opposing party in negative terms. But, generally the voting public understands this and decides for themselves. No sense giving them ammunition if you’re a D.

  • Chickenfarmer

    As much as I would like to see the reactionaries who caused all this mess have their noses rubbed in it, ES is right. The worst thing that the D’s can do is up the ante and act with hubris. It’s time to give the R’s a small face saving concession. Will the Tea Baggers try this again? Of course they will but next time even more folks will see them for what they are. Eventually, people and contributors will become so tired of their tactics that the movement will run out of steam and the non crazies in the Republican Party will stop being afraid of them. Maybe then we can begin to return to sanity.

  • Rambie

    As I said before, I agree with ES that the Dems need to beware of hubris. Sen Collin’s proposal is a good starting point, it’s “clean” CR. It’s really just down to how long for the CR and debt limit increase would last.

  • JSpencer

    Being gracious is part of being a grownup. That said, I’m fine with republicans being punished without mercy at the ballot box. 😉

  • SteveK

    This whole thing is stupid… It’s a shame that several here to fore reasonable TMV ‘righties’ have chosen to be no longer reasonable.

    I’ve lost all interest in stupid.

  • ShannonLeee

    Dems need to take the win and the settle the current crisis. Overreach right now would be very stupid.

  • sheknows

    The current debate now is over the length of time for the CR and the continuation of the sequester. The R’s want the sequester continued and the resolution temporary and the D’s do not.
    So the R’s have reverted to their original position and remain there immoveable and yet in the news they are calling the Dems intractable.
    See, in a stalemate one side has to give, but in this case the Pres has a good point. We shouldn’t have to go through this again in a short while. Nor should this Republican sequester be allowed to continue.
    They need to come to the table with something that is not HARMFUL to the nation and it’s employees and begin to deal with the real issues. Time for them to be PRO- government- for- the- people instead of Anti- government.

    DG, I merely repeated what you had stated. Not a personal attack by any means.

  • Rambie

    Shannon, “settle” when a accommodation can be reached yes. Negotiations are going on now, probably the first *real* talks in over a year between the two parties.

    I hope either Collins plan or one from Reid & McConnell work out as it seems the House leadership is incapable of getting anything out without the far-right adding some kind of poison pill.

    Sheknows, at the start of this shutdown, the President just asked for a “Clean CR”. That’s what he should continue to ask for the Senate & House to do.

  • KP

    Dems need to take the win and the settle the current crisis. Overreach right now would be very stupid.

    Always a pleasure to be reminded of the way. Well done.

  • ShannonLeee

    From what I am reading, some Dems would like to do much more than solve the current crisis. They feel they have the upper hand and want to overturn some of the spending cuts from the sequester in the same manner in which Reps wanted to stop Obamacare.

    This cannot happen.

    It sounds like the Senate is getting something done.

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