Am I the only one who is amazed at how, only six months ago, John McCain and Sarah Palin were the image of the Republican Party and wanted to be and were supported by their party to be the image of the White House and now, Republican National Committee chair Michael Steele and Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal are the image?

Frankly, the choice of Steele as chair and Jindal as the person to deliver the GOP response to President Obama’s speech this evening, could not be more emblematic of just how true it is for the GOP that changing the image has absolutely nothing to do with changing their basic tenets – which is exactly what Steele said would be what he would do when he took the helm.

And damned if he isn’t doing just that. Problem is: How does anyone believe that this is going to be the way back to winning minds and votes?  Does Steele really think that his image and Jindal’s image are more persuasive than McCain’s and Palin’s? Is this an admission of how wrong McCain and Palin are as images for the GOP? What on earth does the GOP actually look like?

I know – I’m just a blogging left of center something or other. But I haven’t even gotten to the hip-hop makeover Steele wants to deploy. And I can tell you, based on firsthand experience with my very respected friend jimi izrael, I know what it is to not understand what a hip-hop makeover even means, and I’d put good money down on the fact that a whole lot of people who call themselves members of the Grand Old Party don’t have a clue about what it is either. jimi, you might be able to make some extra money translating, just like I had to ask you to do for me way back when (oh, okay – and still once in a while).

Do people even realize that if the GOP could at least accept that democracy means sometimes you don’t get to control everything, a lot of this stuff wouldn’t even be happening? Re-organizing, getting better, understanding what people want – that’s all well and good. But part of the problem for the GOP also is the fact that it absolutely refuses to accept that Obama is president and that the Democrats are in the majority in the Congress. I mean, they actually literally are in denial about how it happened and that it’s the way it is and they just, don’t, like it.

Well – the Dems didn’t like it for all those years either – but you didn’t see them rejecting everything left and right – they just kept on working.

Anyway, I’m starting to ramble more than usual. If this meaningless messing with image interests you, for more evidence that that’s all the GOP cares about (image), read and/or listen to these two NPR pieces:

A Defining Moment for Jindal-And GOP’s Future?

GOP Looks to Minorities for Leadership (interview with Juan Williams)

The GOPs actions remind me of the video for the song “Cry” where the faces change all the time but the song stays the same:

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Cross-posted from Writes Like She Talks.

JILL MILLER ZIMON
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greenschemes
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greenschemes
7 years 7 months ago
WEll lets see. 1. The democrats have Howard Dean, Nanny Pelosi and Harry Reid.. 2. Obama was buds with a terrorist, Went to church for 20 years with someone who hates America. 3. Hillary Clinton is the former first lady whose husband was nearly impeached and who was about 1 step from being impeached for Whitewater. 4. 1/2 of Obamas cabinet nominations cant pay their taxes. That is the face of the Democratic party. But aside from that. People continue to want to lift up the democrats as some sort of saints compared to the Republicans. I find that truly… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago

Greenschemes: The topic of this post is about the Republican’s attempts to try and win via persuasion that reflects only a superficial change.

Other than pointing out what you believe to be hypocrisy in my even pointing out the superficial nature of what the GOP is doing, do you have an opinion about…what the GOP is doing?

DdW
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DdW
7 years 7 months ago

Excellent, Jill.

Reminds me of the adage “You can take the boy out of the country, but you can’t take the country out of the boy” I am sure someone will substitute the right words for boy and country.

Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago

D. E. Rodriguez – thanks very much. I agree – that adage works too.

CStanley
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CStanley
7 years 7 months ago
All of that rambling might make some sense if Jindal really were just a minority face put forward to spout boilerplate ideas, but he’s much brighter than that. Have you been following his trajectory in LA at all? He’s an impressive executive, and over time I believe that this key characteristic (which many Republicans tend to have and conservative voters tend to seek out) will contrast with the Democratic legislative branch mentality. Democratic ideas are trumping right now because Republican ideas have been corrupted and implemented badly, with predictably bad results. Instead of throwing out the baby with the bathwater,… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
CStanley – on the first comment you left: I completely agree with you about Jindal re: his ideas, his intelligence. It might surprise you to know this, but I was a big supporter of him being the best pick for McCain’s VP – I would have to go search on my own blog (and I confess to being momentarily lazy about doing that) but I’m pretty sure I even wrote about that before McCain announced selection – I am and I was that impressed with Jindal. And yes, I’ve been following him – I follow state legislatures pretty closely and… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
Well come on though, you use whatever assets you have. The timing, in my opinion, was all wrong for Jindal to have been chosen for VP (and just as wrong for Palin, which is why things initially looked good for the ticket and then quickly took a downturn which may have damaged her career indefinitely.) But the timing certainly is right to present an intellectual argument against the current Democratic policies, and if that argument is coming from a person whose skin has a bit more pigment than we’re used to seeing on Republicans, that’s just icing on the cake.… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
CStanley on comment starting “Well come on though” I disagree – I think Jindal would have been an out of the box choice in the same vein as Palin, but I FAR better risk – FAR FAR easier to sell to the independents – precisely because of his intellect and the track record he’d already racked up. I could go on and on about why I believe he would have been a better pick, but I just think overall and in specifics, he is far stronger a governor and the example of LA compared to the rest of the US… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
Well I for one don’t think that it’s tokenism, but I do think that they only have Reaganism as a model for Republicanism. I know that I’m biased but I’d like to see the Republicans give leadership that highlights shared sacrifice, helping your neighbors and the less fortunate and recognizing that over the next 10 or so years we need to put our nose to the grindstone in order to rebuild the basics of the country and keep our deficits from exploding while doing it (and yes that means tax increases). I think they’d be a very effective opposition party… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
Mikkel, I don’t agree with all of the details (on taxes, for instance, I think the approach should be to delineate which types of tax cuts are favored and under what circumstances- to go against the ‘Club for Growth’ mentality that all tax cuts are good. It’s not that I think the party should never agree to any tax hikes at all, but I think given the Democratic party propensity to yes, tax and spend, it’s healthy to have an opposition party that defaults to keeping taxes lower until or unless a hike can be shown to increase revenue in… Read more »
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mikkel
7 years 7 months ago
“unless a hike can be shown to increase revenue in the long run without harming economic growth” It’s long been shown that one of the strongest correlations with long term economic growth is government debt and private debt loads. Considering that 80% of our current government debt (when looked at in terms of debt to GDP) arose out of Republican administrations I don’t see how Democrats get so much blame. There is only one Democratic president in post-WWII history that increased the debt dramatically and that was LBJ (who epitomized the worst of Big Government Liberalism). Starting with Reagan, less… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
I don’t really disagree with much of that, but I don’t see why you jumped off of my tax statement with arguments about spending. My point was simply that I do support the GOP as a voice against a ‘tax and spend’ mentality, and that taxes should be structured to promote private investment instead of stifling it. I also think it’s important to structure taxes favorable to small business ( I think this is a prime area where the GOP could regain traction, to support the job creating engine of entrepreneurship) without favoring big corporations. I will rebut just a… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
I look at the government as having a balance sheet where taxes are revenue and spending is expenditures. To me talking about taxes without spending or visa versa doesn’t make sense. I am very much a counter-cyclical balanced budget person…meaning that I think the government should run surpluses during booms and deficits during downturns and the end result should net close to zero. That is one of the few parts of Keynesian theory I agree with although I don’t think the government should try to “close the output gap” through deficit spending, the deficits would just be a natural result… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
I don’t think that spending and tax revenue can be pulled apart either, but I do disagree with the idea that tax revenue is directly proportional to rates. I’ve noticed that you use the formula ‘tax cut equals revenue decrease’ and it surprises me that you’d look at it that simplistically. Obviously economic activity is affected by the tax codes, so that there’s not a linear change in revenue with each tax rate increase or decrease. Now, don’t misunderstand and think that I believe that all tax cuts would have the effect that the Kennedy or Reagan cuts had- the… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
I started to write what you did but then my opinion gets very complex. For instance I think there is strong evidence for both cyclical and secular business cycles. I think it is extremely hard to make projections about future growth as a function of a tax cut or increase because it is extremely dependent on “potential productivity” as you put it…and that potential productivity is influenced by a million nonlinear variables. To me I’ve been convinced by reading opinions (and also forming my own based on my interpretation of systems theory applied to economics but of course at some… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
I agree with you, Mikkel – I think you state it very well. The issues that face us can be stated in a way that represent common concern. Solutions can come from the left and the right but part of democracy means that we do cede ultimate control to the party in power – that’s how it works – I had to accept Bush as my president – I disliked pretty much every single minute of it but I would NEVER and I never did support anyone who would simply reject working in the government or with the gov’t. Rather… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
Just out of curiosity, for those who think the GOP is still too conservative, what do you think the new ‘tenets’ of the party should be? If you think the country is supporting the ideology of the Democratic party right now, then what other alternatives do you think that the minority party should or could offer? And I really don’t get this at all: Am I the only one who is amazed at how, only six months ago, John McCain and Sarah Palin were the image of the Republican Party and wanted to be and were supported by their party… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
CStanley re: your second comment: You ask fair questions but yeah, absolutely Mondale, Carter and Gore branded the party with a certain image – and their images remain ingrained in it – can’t remove that. It’s like an art form I can’t think of the name for at the moment but layers upon layers, not quite découpage, not pastiche, not a fresco but something like those things. My point, in the section you quote, is that I interpret these selections as ricochet choices or decisions made by members of the GOP – whether individuals or party leadership – in a… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
OK, and first let me say that I appreciate your responses and I don’t mean to be piling on you today! But still- I think some of the ‘panic mode’ is being fueled by the exact kind of commentary you are making here. Everyone is pointing to the polls showing that the recent GOP rejection of the stimulus bill is so far unpopular and acting as though this means such a great deal in the long run- as if the party better hurry up and present alternatives and start compromising with the Democrats. Well, I’m sorry, but a few weeks… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
CStanley comment that starts with “OK” (T-Steel – you do know I’m going to be writing you for a numerated comment system!!!!) I disagree with the damned if you do damned if you don’t comment about branding confusion. There is widespread agreement that the GOP does have an image problem. You can’t erase the fact that there’s a problem – but it is something that needs to be solved. Brand consistency and big tent are not mutually exclusive. I do use the Dem party as an example with myself: I did not support Obama as the primary candidate and I… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago

Jindal represents nothing new. No new ideas for the party, just the same old things with a new face. He’s only impressive to conservative Republicans and some reporters who are desperate to prove that they are balanced so a minority that spouts the same old GOP talking points gets the star treatment.

Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
Jim – I would only say that some of how Jindal has tried to work with his state legislature in terms of procuring what he believes is best for his state – since he was elected its governor – differs a bit, from what I’ve observed. But otherwise, I do agree with you on the substance of his ideas – I’ve heard him a few times now over the last week and have to say, it is exactly the same ideology as ever. That is not necessarily bad, but I just keep thinking: a lot of Americans have rejected that… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
CStanley The smear tactics have started with a fervor. Anyone who might be an up and comer is target for character assassination. Its the Democrats way of making sure that America turns to fascism. Even though I must admit that if the GOP had their way in the 90’s or early 00’s they would have loved to beat the Dems into the ground as well. But we are dealing with the here and now. Not what was in the past. The here and now is Smearing Palin, Jindal or anyone the GOP might turn to for leadership and it most… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
Greenschemes re: your comment that starts with “The smear tactics..” What you write is totall eye-roll pfftt at anyone making criticisms. That’s fine if that’s what you believe – I’m not going to disabuse you of your opinion or really make much of an effort trying. But it’s this attitude that is in your comment that has gotten the GOP to the depths its in right now – not listening, not paying attention and not recognizing what turns people off and what regular citizens are capable of learning about and seeing through. The image stuff will,not,work. And Democrats can’t afford… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago

Jim, you may want to actually read about opinions in LA on Jindal, for instance here from the local press. He’s criticized by the extreme right wing of the party for not being conservative enough, presumably because he’s not about all tax cuts all the time.

And yet as far as I’ve been able to determine, he’s still enormously popular in the state (last year his approval rating was 77%, but I wasn’t able to quickly put my hand on a more current poll- I’m basing my statement also on anecdotal reports from my friends and family members in LA.)

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7 years 7 months ago
Well, Jill, do you have an opinion about what the GOP should be doing, or is your post just a criticism without offering anything positive? Because I think that’s the nature of Greenschemes’ complaint, that if all we hear is what the GOP is doing wrong then it comes across as though the party is damned if it does and damned if it doesn’t That’s particularly appropos on the point you criticize here, using new faces who are sometimes presenting an alternative to the ‘grumpy white male’ image of the party. How can the GOP win if people like yourself… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
CStanley’s fourth comment (I’m sorry we don’t have comment numbers – I hope you can follow): Well let’s debate here with integrity. I’m left of center and have pretty much always been either center or left of center. What I think the GOP should do is something I’m happy to write about, but having never been in the GOP, I am speaking only from a “what succeeds” mentality – or what I would think would succeed. So if you can accept that, I’m fine with answering your question. But to answer your question about this post – absolutely it is… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
Yes I do Jillmz. But I doubt you want to hear it but Ill give it a shot. The GOP is simply doing what the Democrats did the moment they were put in charge in 2007. They blocked government to pass resolutions after resolutions to end the war and yet they also managed to somehow pass funding for the troops only to go back to passing more resolutions and debating the evils of the war. Now the GOP are returning the favor. They are saying NO to spending while allowing spending to happen. Nothing has changed other then in your… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
Greenschemes comment re: “Yes I do but you don’t want to hear it.” I’ve got a legal background – I don’t ask questions for which I don’t really want to hear the answers – please, if I ask, I want to know – it wasn’t rhetorical. Let’s take everything you wrote as true including and focusing on this: “The GOP is simply doing what the Democrats did the moment they were put in charge in 2007.” You think the American voters should be attracted to and vote for and re-elect people who interpret their job description as doing that? Then… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
That is not necessarily bad, but I just keep thinking: a lot of Americans have rejected that ideology, even if they think of themselves as center or right of center. That is why I cannot understand the staying mired in these positions. It’s not worked and it’s not working – this commitment to it because it is The Principles is really kookie to me. That’s how movements die. What Jindal does is apply the principles correctly, and that’s exactly what will eventually revive the conservative movement. His policies aren’t knee jerk (which is why he’s taking heat from the hard,… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago

CStanley – the comment that starts with a quote of what I wrote:

I understand what you’re saying and I can see how you would see it this way – critique of my critique and all.

My response is that I live in Ohio and I feel that what I’ve observed in the GOP here in Ohio informs much – though not all – of how I feel about what is wrong with the GOP. And again, it’s just my opinion.

Only time will tell if it’s a misdiagnosis or not.

greenschemes
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7 years 7 months ago

Well as I posted……….I doubt you will want to hear what I have to say. Thanks for being spot on.

CStanley
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7 years 7 months ago
Jill, thanks for your honest attempt to answer my question. I’d suggest though that the limitation that you admitted to- that you’re outside the party looking in- is a problem that can’t be overcome. It’s not really helpful when Democrats suggest what the GOP should do, because by definition you would suggest them becoming more like Democrats and that’s really not helpful. The same would be true if I tried to suggest what the Democratic party should do if the situation was reversed. I say this particularly because you seem to feel that the core philosophy shouldn’t matter; in some… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
Okay CStanley, she said with a sideways glance – now you are cutting into my lunch!!! (TOTAL sarcasm) Responding to your comment that starts with “Thanks”: The limitation of not being in the GOP: but oh! This is what blogs are for, precisely – what I write might not be helpful, but then again, you never know when it might be, true? I follow all The Next Right stuff, Patrick Ruffini etc. because while they’re on the right, it’s important to follow moves being made, ideas being considered and rejected and so on. I’ve been blogging so long I long… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
OK, I’m signing off in a moment too. Thanks for a good discussion. You’re right about blogs being a place to express all opinions; I was just pointing out that people like myself and Greenschemes are necessarily going to react to this type of post in this manner (call it the ‘concern troll’ response, I guess, although it’s not that I think you are feeding us suggestions under false pretenses as is sometimes the case.) I agree with the tension between freedom and responsibility, and the difficulty of the task to inspire rather than coerce people to meet those responsibilities.… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
It’s a four hour long documentary but I encourage you to watch “The Century of the Self” at some point. The episodes are very nicely segmented to describe four major movements of the 20th century: the transition into the Roaring 20s, post WWII conformity, the hippie self exploratory backlash and mass individual consumerism. The moral of the story is that I think he does a very good job of presenting primary sources that demonstrate how a) the idea of rational, independent consumer is completely a myth and how a lot of the modern ideals of individuality are based on constructed… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
Sounds pretty interesting. On your part about the question of democracy and capitalism create freedom, I don’t really think it’s a question of creating it but just permitting it. But then there’s the philosophic tension between freedom and it’s potential use for good or evil, and the difference between the political philosophies as I see hinges on whether or not you primarily on how much you are willing to cede freedoms to government if you believe that it can drive public actions for the general good of society. Conservatives believe, not so much…and that other nongovernmental institutions like the churches… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
I wonder though if you realize when you write what you write that the reaction from the right is………….how did you put it………..totall eye-roll pfftt at anyone making criticisms. Everyone anymore seems to think that they have the answers. I almost always preface my response in the context that both sides do it, both sides are wrong and that both sides are power hungry which is why they do what they do. No one wants to read or hear the total post or my total point. They only see that oh my gawd I criticized the democrats therefore Im an… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago

I feel that the GOP is absolutely refusing to work with what’s a given.

Jill, you don’t think that’s a bit premature to conclude when we’re less than six weeks into this?

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7 years 7 months ago
Jill, on the Palin vs. Jindal for the VP slot- I agree with you that Jindal is a better total package, but I think that whoever got picked was probably going to be taking part in a losing ticket. Therefore, I’m just as happy that it was Palin who has probably (never say never, she may surprise) been taken out of future contention. Really I think it was stupid to pick either one of them because of lack of experience- but there weren’t really any good seasoned choices. And of course alternatives should be presented, but the starting point is… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
Jill, I remember you being attacked for supporting Clinton over Obama and I agree it was ugly ( I think I commented once or twice in your defense.) And I get what you’re saying about the branding which can still be inclusive. But again I think you’re misdiagnosing (maybe projecting the problems you have with accepting GOP platform and assuming that applies to others?) The brand has taken a licking, but that doesn’t mean that it won’t come back in favor. And here, I have to say that I feel that you’re all over the place: Look – let me… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
Jill One last thing. I think you and many like you have written off the GOP as lost. Perhaps they are but they do not have to change what they do. In 1994 the same thing was said of the Democrats. They are toast. They have no message. The Democrats did not change much and the only thing that was able to bring them out of the wilderness was the GOP forsaking their basic pillar(fiscal responsibility)and a war. The democrats did not change much of anything from 1994 to 2006 and they are back in power. I believe that you… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago

I have to say that I agree with Greenscheme’s last comment. It’s pretty much axiomatic that parties that are out of power regain that power when the ruling party screws up, not when they do anything proactively to regain public support.

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7 years 7 months ago
The GOPs actions remind me of the video for the song “Cry” where the faces change all the time but the song stays the same: This sentence along with your video of crying people was what illicited my response. To me the entire article was defeated by ending your piece with …………..The GOP is a bunch of sniveling crybabies when as I pointed out the Democrats did the exact same thing when they were in the wilderness. My frustration becomes that I have totally perceived that the left is actively attempting to smear anyone that shows promise or ideas for… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago

Green – you completely misread why I would think of that video – I thought I was obvious but I guess not. It has ZERO to do with the notion of crybabies – that is your defensiveness kicking in. It had everything to do with the style of the video – the blending and melding.

If you prefer – Michael Jackson’s Black or White would work as well – I don’t really care – it’s just a filming technique thing – you have to go to the 5:27 marker to see the part I’m talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI9OYMRwN1Q

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7 years 7 months ago

Jill:

I have been following this thread from the beginning, and my hat off to you for “taking it as well as you can give,” but perhaps more importantly for your courtesy and patience—in addition to sticking by your principles, and, yet ,being “uderstanding” of the other side. This “ain’t easy” and I truly admire that

D.E. R aka Dorian or v.v.

Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
CStanley – Brooks’ column that you link to is very honest and for the most part, I’d say, yeah, sure. But at the core of it, he’s just outting his fear – which is the fear that anyone who is forced to trust those for whom they might not have supported (though he did come out for Obama) could predictably possess. I know it’s how I felt under Bush in particular – less so under Reagan. And I think it is incredibly analogous to how people who never supported going into Iraq feel and the fears we possessed and now,… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago

Dorian – thank you very much – I really appreciate it. I kind of feel like this kind of back and forth is why TMV really exists – I think it’s the kind of thread thoughtful people can go through and shake their head one way, then the other way, then the other way – and maybe just have a better understanding of why anyone would think anything in particular. Doesn’t always means there’s action or result or solutions, but understanding in and of itself is, IMO, very underrated. :)

Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
Greenschemes – I’m going to try to respond to your comments here (everyone should be pleased to know that I’ve now eaten some lunch): RE: your comment about you try to always mention (preface) that both sides have messed up etc. I think if that works for you, then that’s good. I don’t agree with you that all the Dems did for eight years was whine and cry. I fundamentally do not feel that way – and I have the photos of John Boehner to prove it! (that’s a little sarcasm – we in Ohio can’t believe how any times… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
Well, mikkel, that’s certainly the kind of nuance and complexity that I generally anticipate from you! And from your last paragraph there, I guess my point is that at the extremes, we can predict these things somewhat, no? It’s in the gray areas where it gets too muddy and we can’t expect to micromanage productivity with tax policy. I think both parties end up being too simplistic about it though, because you certainly can’t count on a tax cut producing great enough growth to net an overall increase in revenue (except, again, when you’re operating at one extreme of really… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
Well – the Dems didn’t like it for all those years either – but you didn’t see them rejecting everything left and right – they just kept on working. NO they kept rubber stamping what GWB and the GOP did which is why were in the mess were in now. Perhaps they should have been obstructionist and given pause to what was done the last 8 years. This is why now that the GOP have found some footing and are just saying no, it perhaps might just be the best thing they could have done. Yet my opinion remains. You… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago

Maybe the Republicans can turn to the latter day Barry Goldwater and moderate Libertarians. True fiscal conservatism, without corporate servitude, with a moderate social policy. I doubt that the isolationist policies of libertarians would fit into the current Republican mode, but the other two legs are just moderate right policy.

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7 years 7 months ago

One of the most sensible comments I’ve seen from you, Rudi.

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7 years 7 months ago
When a market gets some new core technology that drives all sorts of products, then it allows for massive new markets. Which is why I have been begging the Democrats to get to work do what they say we should do. But you know what. This is another example of the Democrats saying one thing and doing something else. Can’t wait for all the excuses to start rolling in that we cant do anything with Green technology because them darn GOP’ers keep blocking it. Yeah right. Poverty. Why isnt it fixed? Well if they fixed it they would have nothing… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago

CS Here is even another suprise, I just found a Republican governor whose bright, competent and qualified, not white trash like Palin. This man is like the former gov of Michigan(Miliken); I could vote for a man like Jon Huntsman(here and here ), not the current clown posse. Notice that the second link is from WashTimes.

Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 7 months ago
Green – you have constructed a straw woman: But essentially the biggest difference between you and me Jill is that you are a Democrat establishment person and I abhor both parties while calling myself a Republican when in reality Im a conservative more then I am a Republican. Therefore I have no problems pointing fingers at the GOP while you continue to believe that your party while it might have a few faults if you look hard enough has all the answers. Where were you last year – almost exactly a year ago – when I wrote about Rev. Wright… Read more »
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CStanley
7 years 7 months ago

Rudi, I like Huntsman too, as well as Mitch Daniels of Indiana. While the celebrity crazed media and masses focus on the ‘stars’ like Palin and Jindal and Crist and Schwarzenegger, I think those two are examples of the substantive direction of the party (Jindal also deserves to be on that list but he’s also a celebrity, for better or worse.)

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greenschemes
7 years 6 months ago
Jill Where were you when I wrote against the removal of the reproductive health money in the stimulus plan? Where were you when I wrote against Obama calling the reporter in the gym, “Sweetie” and never answering her question? Where were you when I wrote about how wretched the sexist treatment of Sarah Palin was? Where were you when I wrote against the racist, sexist image of Michelle Obama that came from a lefty blogger at Daily Kos? Im sure I was at work. But I will point out that I think most of this is about bad taste, bad… Read more »
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greenschemes
7 years 6 months ago
Where were you last year – almost exactly a year ago – when I wrote about Rev. Wright and Obama? You were a Clinton supporter. Hardly a surprise that you were writing negative things about Obama. Where were you this past month and every other time I’ve written about my intense dislike of the faith-based and community initiatives now neighborhood partnerships program? Can you point me to where you slammed the GOP and Bush for its creation and expansion of that same office? This one we might have some common ground. While I was not opposed to it. I certainly… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 6 months ago

Green -you are even confusing yourself!!

This is YOUR line – not mine: “”The GOP is simply doing what the Democrats did the moment they were put in charge in 2007.”

You are in an echo chamber and if you are happy there, go with it. In the meantime, please produce one thing I wrote “in support” of Hillary Clinton.

And now you have me laughing at your assertion – what in the world does support for Clinton – which I didn’t have – have to do with ANYTHING in this thread anyway??

Yeeesh.

Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 6 months ago
Green – you can’t even be consistent with yourself. Regarding Bush’s creation and expansion of a White House faithbased and community initiatives office that doled out more than $2.2 BILLION a year to faith-based/community orgs: “This one we might have some common ground. While I was not opposed to it. I certainly have no support for it and believe that if left unchecked that Obama will turn it into a giant pac by allowing these so called faith based groups submit to government rules to get money which would preclude most of the right leaning faith based charities from partaking… Read more »
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greenschemes
7 years 6 months ago

Jill

Well Im glad to provide you with humor. Thanks for taking out of context what I wrote, changing it to mean something else and then claim Im confused.

I was responding to your post which quoted my line. However we both know what your doing. Lets just call it a day.

Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 6 months ago

Green – you were the first one to leave a comment in this thread – even though you didn’t comment on the issue raised by the thread – you just picked on the Democrats, rather than reflect on the Republicans.

The topic of the post was: the GOP is placing the primacy of image over the primacy of anything else, yet they keep changing the image they want people to see. I supplied two MSM clips that back that up.

I stand by the original post. Thanks for your time.

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greenschemes
7 years 6 months ago
YOUR THESIS. Am I the only one who is amazed at how, only six months ago, John McCain and Sarah Palin were the image of the Republican Party and wanted to be and were supported by their party to be the image of the White House and now, Republican National Committee chair Michael Steele and Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal are the image? Images of the party were what your talking about. My response was: WEll lets see. 1. The democrats have Howard Dean, Nanny Pelosi and Harry Reid.. 2. Obama was buds with a terrorist, Went to church for 20… Read more »
Jill Miller Zimon
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7 years 6 months ago
Green – you really do not get it. But that’s okay – because you’ve remained engaged anyway – that says something – I’m not sure what, but it really doesn’t matter – that’s the value of a blog and its posts’ threads – people read them and take what they want, ignore what they want. Freedom of expression and all. I have no argument at all with what you wrote. What I wanted was commentary specifically about what I wrote – but you don’t seem to want to comment on the GOP or conservatives – you only want to comment… Read more »
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greenschemes
7 years 6 months ago

JIll

Other than pointing out what you believe to be hypocrisy in my even pointing out the superficial nature of what the GOP is doing, do you have an opinion about…what the GOP is doing?

This was your question to me. I responded with what I did.

Your response to the asked for response was :::”””:What you write is totall eye-roll pfftt at anyone making criticisms. That’s fine if that’s what you believe – “””

LIke I stated I doubt you want to hear what I have to say and I was right.

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