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Jeb Bush is not getting an honest shake (Guest Voice)

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Jeb Bush is not getting an honest shake
by Joradn Cooper

George W. Bush was seen as too dumb, even though he had a 1200SAT score. John McCain was seen as too old even though Reagan was much older than him when he was the commander-in-chief. Mitt Romney was seen as being too rich even though he has a small fraction of the wealth that Donald Trump has. Now Jeb Bush is seen as too familiar since his dad and brother happened to be president.

All this has happened in the new millennium. What happened to the rights and privileges of all citizens? What happened to equality and freedom? More significantly, what happened to a fair chance for everyone who wants to apply for America’s top gig?

Nobody is complaining about Will Smith’s or Michael Jackson’s family in Hollywood. Nobody is catching s fit about the Mannings in the NFL or the Barrys in the NBA. They make significantly more money and get more publicity in the spots those entertainers are in.

So, why are we worrying about someone that makes less than half a million dollars a year plus taxes that is highly overseen by the voters from the homeless panhandlers to the merchants to the public functionaries in the halls of our government. Jeb Bush once lived by credit card to credit card in his adult life and earned his way of living like a working man on the hacksaw.

He deserves a shot to be judged even-handedly by his political record and professional life just as the other candidates are.

Jordan Thomas Cooper is a 2015 graduate of the University of South Carolina with a degree in History and a 2010 graduate of the Real Estate School of Success in Irmo. He is the first African-American to serve in both the governor and lieutenant governor’s office as an aide and first to serve in the Inspector General’s Office in S.C. (Haley) He is also the first to serve in the top three offices in the gubernatorial line of succession in South Carolina (Haley, Bauer, McConnell). He happens to be the second black presidential campaign speechwriter in American History and the first for a GOP presidential campaign (Bush 2015). He also played football for Coach Steve Spurrier.

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  • Markus1

    O.K. I’ll bite. JEB has stated that his brother is his main foreign policy adviser. Other names that he has mentioned include Paul Wolfowitz. Mr. Cooper, do you really want to compare that team to the Mannings? You do know that Latoya and Tito are largely forgotten, but the consequences of the Bush war of choice are with us every day. George Will, a Ron Reagan speechwriter, has called the war in Iraq the worst foreign policy decision in American history, and yet JEB trots the engineers of this effort as his top people.
    My advice to JEB is to tell the American people that he loves George but told Mom at age four that George was a doodoo head.

  • Huh? J.E. Bush was given a shot and then some. He was given $150 million worth of shots by the donor class. He was the frontrunner in early polls. He just omitted one thing…impressing the voters.

    J.E. Bush is like the preseason number 1 in college football that proceeds to lose game after game until it can no longer crack even the top 25. At some point the alums and fans need to recognize that this team simply is not championship caliber.

    Does anyone other than me remember last spring when J.E. Bush was cracking jokes about how he might ask John Kasich to be his VP? Now we’re hearing that J.E. hasn’t been given a fair shot? C’mon.

    • I could not agree more. This guy was born with a silver spoon in his mouth into the political elite. He barely had to do any fundraising, just ran around the country collecting multi-million dollar checks. He had a head start just by being a Bush and using the family connections to big donors and other political power figures. The problem is that too many people cannot separate him from his idiot brother, and that is 100% JEB’s fault. He also chose to run at a moment when anger at establishment pols has been incited and is now festering like an oozing blister.

  • dduck

    I still like Jebya. So sue me. He can’t have predicted that the Trumpets would blow him away. It won’t be the first time that the worst gets up front and drowns out the better.

  • rudi

    Jeb’s problems are a por campaign and no one on the Republican side wants to vote for him.

    Bush stands at his lowest point among Republicans in Post-ABC polling, with 44 percent saying they have a favorable impression of the former Florida governor and 50 percent rating him negatively. In November, Bush’s image tilted positive by a 56-37 margin. Bush’s falling favorability has been concentrated among Republican men (down 21 points from November) and self-identified conservatives (down 15 points).

  • JSpencer

    “and earned his way of living like a working man on the hacksaw.”

    Speaking as an ex factory and shop rat, you’ll have to forgive me if I have doubts about Jeb’s blue collar creds.

    • rudi

      Jebadya doesn’t even know what a hacksaw is.
      From Wiki:

      Business career before entering politics

      In 1974, Bush went to work in an entry-level position in the international division of Texas Commerce Bank, which was founded by the family of James Baker.[20] In November 1977, he was sent to Caracas, the capital of Venezuela, to open a new operation for the bank, where he served as branch manager and vice president.[21]

      Following the 1980 presidential election, Bush and his family moved to Miami-Dade County, Florida. He took a job in real estate with Armando Codina, a 32-year-old Cuban immigrant and self-made millionaire. Codina had made a fortune in a computer business, and then formed a new company, The Codina Group, to pursue opportunities in real estate.[22] During his time with the company, Bush focused on finding tenants for commercial developments.[23] Codina eventually made Bush his partner in a new development business, which quickly became one of South Florida’s leading real estate development firms. As a partner, Bush received 40% of the firm’s profits.[24] In 1983, Bush said of his move from Houston to Miami: “On the personal side, my mother-in-law and sister-in-law were already living here”, and on the professional side, “I want to be very wealthy, and I’ll be glad to tell you when I’ve accomplished that goal.”[25]

      During Bush’s years in Miami, he was involved in many different entrepreneurial pursuits, including working for a mobile phone company, serving on the board of a Norwegian-owned company that sold fire equipment to the Alaska oil pipeline, becoming a minority owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars, buying a shoe company that sold footwear in Panama, and getting involved in a project selling water pumps in Nigeria.[24] Miguel Recarey, who ran International Medical Centres (IMC), employed Bush as a real estate consultant and paid him a US$75,000 fee for finding the company a new location, although the move never took place. Bush did, however, lobby the Reagan administration vigorously and successfully on behalf of Recarey and IMC.[26]

  • Slamfu

    He deserves a shot to be judged even-handedly by his political record and professional life just as the other candidates are.

    That’s kinda the problem. He has been. It’s in fact a problem for all of the GOP candidates 🙂

    • dduck

      The people that are represented in the polls and others, are NOT judging, if that is the correct word, Jeb on his record, that’s a fact. Ditto for Kasich.
      The cream is falling to the bottom and the water is rising in the polls and falling in the commenters comments. Jeb and John are heads above all the other candidates if you look at their records and experience, and certainly in the veracity department. Yes, Bernie is honest, and has some good, but over inflated ideas, but he does NOT have governing experience.
      Sorry about the SCOTUS problem. I think that is the real reason I think you guys must elect a Dem, and I tend to agree. Sigh.

      • JSpencer


        Embrace the pain. You’re in the crucible now. 😉

        • dduck


          • JSpencer

            Just being sympathetic.

          • dduck

            About what? What crucible?

      • If he’s using the same advisors that pushed us into the biggest foreign policy disaster in our lifetimes, and can’t explain a coherent point of view on his differences with his brother regarding ME policy, plus uses W as an advisor? You don’t see that as a problem? I am not a Republican but as I recall many Republicans felt betrayed by George’s lack of honesty on Iraq and by his basic incompetence in conducting the war. If Jebra can’t differentiate himself from the worldview that led to that disaster- I don’t see why any of them should support him now. He was one of the co-signers of the Project for the New American Century that urged the use of force in the ME– and also is the reason that we got stuck with George instead of Al Gore in the first place.

        • dduck

          I might point out that some people get recycled.
          Gates served as SOD under Bush and Obama.
          Hillary voted for the Iraq war, Obama did not.

          • Not only did Hillary vote for the Iraq war, she was one of its biggest proponents, based upon false claims of ties between Saddam and al Qaeda.

            Plus Clinton had a neocon as a top advise when she was Secretary of State, and she has continued to make the same mistakes she made in Iraq regarding Libya and Syria.

            I don’t like Jeb, but it makes absolutely no sense to say that foreign policy disqualifies Jeb but does not disqualify Clinton. Hillary Clinton is as big a proponent of George Bush’s foreign policy as anyone running.

          • Gates was actually competent- that was the reason that Obama kept him. Bush had Wolfowitz on staff- the architect of the Iraq war and W– you can’t send a clearer message than that that you are continuing the neocon route. Jeb needed to denounce that direction in foreign policy but never did. And Hillary admitted it was her biggest mistake. I am not letting her completely off the hook, but it was right after 9/11 — a very heated moment in our history and the CIA and the administration cooked the evidence for war.

          • JSpencer

            Bingo. Jeb’s ideas of who would make good foreign policy advisors are flat-out nuts. As for Hillary, say what you want, but she isn’t about bring GWB’s neocons onboard if elected.

          • dduck

            He is competent, that’s why he left and has criticized Obama as have other SOD.
            But, be that as it may, I get it you don’t like any Bush and being a Rep means you certainly can’t giver him a fair shake. That’s OK, since it’s not his time anyway.
            Enjoy Hillary.

          • JSpencer

            “being a Rep means you certainly can’t giver him a fair shake”

            It’s his policy ideas and lousy judgment I don’t like, not his brand.

          • Slamfu

            Lol, exactly. It’s not like Jeb hasn’t had a chance to tell us what he’d like to do. We heard him, his ideas just suck. And although he’s much better at communicating and is the best of the bunch, so do Kasich’s. Lower taxes, deregulate, cut already barebones social safety net programs and screw the middle class. The middle class barely has enough to spend as it is now, the economy is teetering on the brink of another recession because Republican policies have moved so much money to the top, where it does the least good, that they have sucked the life out of the consumer class that powers the entire economy. Not one of the Republican candidates is offering any plan to reverse that, and in fact are all offering plans that will only exacerbate the situation because apparently they are all really, really slow learners or hopelessly corrupt and in service to their donors. Probably a bit of column A and a bit of column B.

          • Gates also was interviewed recently, and thought NONE of the 2016 candidates had a realistic workable plan for combatting ISIS. He may start missing Obama at some point. At least Obama did not rehire the very agents that led to our debacle in Iraq!

          • Being after 9/11 is no excuse for Clinton’s neocon foreign policy. She continued to push the same policies when running against Obama, when she was Secretary of State, and when she attacked Obama’s foreign policy after she left the State Department.

            Being right after 9/11 doesn’t explain her hawkish and interventionist views regarding Iran, Libya, and Syria.

            George Bush, Jeb Bush, and Hillary Clinton all have fairly similar foreign policy views. It makes no sense to oppose two out of three and support one.

          • JSpencer

            My point is that Hillary isn’t going to tap the same people Jeb has already indicated he would. This isn’t to say Hillary’s foreign policy history isn’t disturbing to many liberals (we both could cite many examples why it is). I would love to have a candidate who had both a solid grasp of foreign policy, the ability to manage congress, and was also dedicated to the brains first, guns last philosophy but I’ve yet to see one in the running who covers all those bases, therefore I am reduced to looking for the candidate most likely to preside over an administration that incurs the least amount of damage. I suppose that sounds painfully pragmatic, and I wish it wasn’t the case. I think Bernie is doing a great job of harnessing voters who are conscientious when it comes to domestic policy, but he needs to spend more time discussing his foreign policy views. I’m willing to be convinced, I’m just not there yet.

          • Absolutely. Wolfowitz is not on her team and she does not have George on speed dial. I think that she will also pick great SCOTUS picks and I agree with most of her domestic positions. I am not sure about her foreign policy positions but I am not sure about any of the candidates’ foreign policy positions. Bernie just seems too concentrated on his revolution– he’s definitely a product of the 60’s. The right is holding off on Sanders attacks so that they can concentrate on getting Hillary out first– then you will be hearing “atheist-socialist-Marxist” non stop

          • You will hear that regardless of who the Dems nominate- look at Obama. That the right will attack a candidate in the general is one of the worst arguments Hillary supporters use.

          • Obama – was/is a very moderate liberal who does not go around talking about a socio-economic revolution. So that attack fell on a lot of deaf ears. I think it’s a valid argument

          • That also works against Clinton, not for her. Voters from both parties realize they are being screwed by the establishment and want change.

            That is a big reason why moderates and independents, and even some conservatives, are supporting Sanders while opposing Clinton. Name calling won’t save Clinton from the fact that she is on the wrong side of the major issues and the opponent of reform which voters from both parties want.

          • “one of the worst arguments Hillary supporters use”

            There are so many bad arguments coming not only from Clinton supporters but directly from her campaign that it is hard to say which is the worst.

            Plus they are so contradictory. Bernie is too far left. No, he is too far right on guns. Never mind that Hillary previously campaigned as a “pro-gun churchgoer” in 2008.

            Or Clinton should be elected because of her experience. (Ignoring the fact that she was wrong on all the big questions throughout her career while Sanders was right). Now Clinton is saying that Sanders is the establishment candidate because he was in Congress far longer than her.

            It comes down to the difference that Clinton has no real justification for her campaign other than thinking she is entitled to be president, while Sanders is campaigning on real issues.

          • Product of the 60’s? Income inequality has become a much bigger issue in recent years. He is looking at today’s issues. Plus he has been right on all the foreign policy issues where Clinton has consistently been wrong.

            The Clinton campaign has been screaming socialist for months now, and it has not done a bit of harm. It doesn’t mean much for Republicans to cry socialist. They have made the same claims about Obama.

          • The difference being that Obama has been very good for capitalists so that partisan attack always worked only with people who would not have voted for him in the first place.

          • dduck

            The market goes up and Obama says that is a good sign for the economy. The market goes down and Obama says …………
            Who said Obama was good for capitalists. Probably the people that voted for him in the first place. 🙂

          • I don’t know if she has Wolfowitz on speed dial, but she did have a neocon as a top adviser when Secretary of State, and she is one of the favorite candidates of Wolowitz and other neocons:


            I also doubt she would pick great SOCTUS picks considering how conservative she is on social/cultural issues as well as economic issues and campaign finance reform, but they would be better picks than from Republicans. It would be a choice of a moderate move to the right as opposed to an extreme move to the right.

          • Clinton already showed that she would tap neocons for her advisers when she was Secretary of State. Not only tap them–but advocate neoconservative policies.

          • Way to make every article on TMV about Clinton, there, Ron. We are discussing JEB Bush in case you missed it!

          • You brought up George Bush’s foreign policy and how support for it is a reason not to support Jeb. You can’t say support for W’s foreign policy is a reason not to support a candidate while simultaneousy supporting Clinton, who supports the same foreign policy views.

          • dduck


          • Actually, I can. First of all, I don’t believe that Clinton is a neocon, and second of all, on several occasions I have differentiated her from the Bushes on domestic issues and picks for the courts. You have been unable to refute those points- or have ignored them- not sure which. Nobody else on this site equates Clinton with Bush- that is a Republican strategy to defeat the person they believe is their strongest opponent

  • StockboyLA

    “He deserves a shot to be judged even-handedly by his political record and professional life just as the other candidates are.”

    I thought he was being judged even-handedly as are the other candidates. After all, they (except for Trump, Cruz and perhaps Rubio) are all in the single digits (or lower) in polls. No one sane in America wants to vote for candidates who support the repeal of Obamacare (with no alternative in sight), continue the culture wars on same-sex marriage, send their children into war and no one certainly wants to see the rich pay less and less in taxes each year.

    I’m curious as to what you think is different about Jeb? What qualities does he have which appeal to the most Americans (and I’m not just talking about Republicans – in order to become president you have to appeal to other groups of people)?

    • dduck

      Sorry, if you are addressing me, I don’t do I am curious questions. They take too long to answer and rarely satisfy the curious person.
      Check his web site for his bio and qualifications, he does have governing experience, although I prefer Kasich who has governing and also experience in congress and no “bad” advisers yet, who by the way has not said he would repeal Obamacare- I think, but I could be wrong.

      • Slamfu

        Ok, so I went to re-review Kasich’s platform. Aside from the usual GOP bad ideas(lower taxes, deregulate) here are other areas that are really bad ideas:

        1) He’s for charter schools, thinks public schools need more “competition”. Privatization of govt services like education and prisons are nothing more than scams to get the private sector access to the giant pools of money in those areas. They almost never work out, produce worse results and end up costing more. The charter school movement is just a bad idea. We have a private school system, no need for diverting taxpayer money to for profit folks that just screw it up.

        2) He’s for a balanced budget amendment for the US govt. That is a terrible idea, to handcuff the creator of all currency, regardless of situation, I just almost don’t know what to say. Running deficits and debt management is the cornerstone of GDP growth, especially for the fed govt, the fact he doesn’t seem to get that means to me he should not be in a position to affect such things.

        3) He is for Block Grants. Those are also a bad idea. Basically a way to remove flexibility in spending, relies on assumptions and if those assumptions are wrong oh well, people just get screwed. I can go into more detail but they are bad, he is for them, so this goes in the negative column. Be happy to discuss the pro’s and con’s of block grants with anyone if clarification is needed on why they suck.

        4) Is against drug treatment, needle exchanges, medical pot, all of which are good ideas.

        5) Thinks we should not have diplomatic relations with Cuba and Vietnam. Thinks we should be using ground troops to fight Daesh.

        6) Thinks separation of church and state is a goofy misinterpretation. Seriously, that’s what it says on his site.

        So yea, Kasich is the best of the bunch, but still has a lot of bad policy ideas.

        • I’ve never been convinced that Kasich is any better than the rest of the Republicans. As your list demonstrates, he is no moderate. The key difference is that as a governor he has to function more in the real world as compared to a Senator. Plus it is easy to look sane when on the same stage as Donald Trump.

          If I was voting in a Republican primary I would take a closer look. Maybe he is the best of the bunch. I’m not sure. Basically the entire bunch is unacceptable as a president and I don’t see enough difference between them to get involved with rooting for one over the other.

          The one exception would be Rand Paul. I do like to see him take on the rest of the candidates on foreign policy and civil liberties. However he has so many other major negatives when you get to domestic policy, and has no chance at the nomination.

          I did hear one poll mentioned on the radio (and I’m not sure which one) which did have Kasich doing well among the non-Trump candidates in New Hampshire so, while a long short, Kasich might have a chance. If he were to come in second behind Trump in New Hampshire, he might be able to start building establishment support in subsequent states. Plus I’m sure that there are a lot of people who barely know who he is who would pay more attention to him if he came in second.

          • dduck

            To all of the above commenters, enjoy Hillary, cause there ain’t no perfect candidate, far from it, from either party.
            Just compromises and nose holding for us as the oligarchs laugh.

          • Slamfu

            Lol, pass. I’ll go with Sanders. It’s going to be 2008 all over again for poor Mrs. Clinton.

          • Kasich is just a wolf in nicer clothing. He has the same GOP policies that only work for those who are already ahead of the game, but has a reasonable and low-key manner of delivery. I admit he would be easier to live with than the crazies but he would still be picking far right picks for the court– and still pushing tax cut Reaganomics that destroy the middle class

          • dduck

            Besides the Ohioan, there may be some people in Ohio that disagree with you. He got reelected with nice margin. No wolf and he compromises, so I can’t see using excess rhetoric to paint him. Oh, well, just another better person that doesn’t have much of a chance. The country seems to favor BS artists at this point.

          • Well that’s just ducky for Ohio, DD, but you know perfectly well that the national party is a different kind of animal entirely. Compromise is a dirty word here, so chances are he would be pushed far to the right in DC

  • A call for sanity in a race dominated by lunatics…
    Please… look at Bush again! He can be good!

    Whose motorcycle is this?
    It’s a chopper, baby.
    Whose chopper is this?
    It’s Jeb’s.
    Who’s Jeb?
    Jeb’s dead, baby. Jeb’s dead.

    • Slamfu


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