Iowa is granting permits to purchase or carry guns in public to people who are legally or completely blind. It’s not enough that some mentally ill people are getting their hands on guns and going on shooting rampages, but now the blind? Wow.

No one questions the legality of the permits. State law does not allow sheriffs to deny an Iowan the right to carry a weapon based on physical ability.

The quandary centers squarely on public safety. Advocates for the disabled and Iowa law enforcement officers disagree over whether it’s a good idea for visually disabled Iowans to have weapons.

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“I’m not an expert in vision,” Delaware County Sheriff John LeClere said. “At what point do vision problems have a detrimental effect to fire a firearm? If you see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you probably shouldn’t be shooting something.” Source: USA Today

This was cross-posted from The Hinterland Gazette.

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sheknows
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sheknows
3 years 16 days ago

Well, when the brain dead are in control of gun legislation, is anyone surprised that the blind should be armed?

And I didn’t think it could get anymore insane in this country.

ordinarysparrow
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ordinarysparrow
3 years 16 days ago

“I know that the American people are weary after a decade of war, even as the war in Iraq has ended, and the war in Afghanistan is winding down,” Obama said in his weekly radio address Saturday. “But we are the United States of America. We cannot turn a blind eye to images like the ones we’ve seen out of Syria.”
http://themoderatevoice.com/186407/the-anti-war-tea-party-rises-but-is-it-legitimate/

And gosh darn; Nor can we allow a blind eye to go unarmed…

ShannonLeee
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ShannonLeee
3 years 16 days ago

Darwin.

sheknows
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sheknows
3 years 16 days ago

“And gosh darn; nor can we allow a blind eye to go unarmed”. LOL Hilarious OS :)

JSpencer
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JSpencer
3 years 16 days ago

Right you are Shannon. Good grief…

DaGoat
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DaGoat
3 years 16 days ago

Not sure if this is gun rights out of control, or rights for the disabled out of control. This ties into why I think restricting gun ownership from the mentally ill will be much harder than people think. The rights of the disabled are strongly protected.

StockBoyLA
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StockBoyLA
3 years 16 days ago

Haha. Darwin alright…. In a gunfight who would be the better shot? I would lay odds on the not-blind person. And if the not-blind person is the criminal…. then it’s the criminal who survives.

OS: that’s great!

Perhaps we should send blind Iowans to Syria to fight.

Willwright
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Willwright
3 years 16 days ago

I don’t this is going to be a problem, the guns that will be issued to the blind are going to be radar controlled. Just pull the trigger and everything within range will be mowed down automatically. Much more effective and lethal than the old fashioned point and shoot systems available today for the non-disabled.

adelinesdad
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adelinesdad
3 years 16 days ago
I think the vast majority of legally blind people, like other people, are smart enough to understand their own limitations. Some of them put their lives on the line crossing busy streets using only their hearing and a stick. I think we can give them a little credit for learning their limits and functioning within them. I expect they understand that their weapon, if they choose to own one, is a last resort to be used in extreme circumstances. Also, they probably understand better than anyone how their disability might effect their vulnerability to violent crime, depending on their circumstances.… Read more »
JSpencer
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JSpencer
3 years 16 days ago

I think the vast majority of legally blind people, like other people, are smart enough to understand their own limitations.

Unlike politicians.

ordinarysparrow
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ordinarysparrow
3 years 16 days ago

adelinesdad the attempt at humor was a play on words, based on the quote from Obama, not intended to be disparaging of the physically blind…

The U.S.A. link that JS shared does a balanced job of pointing to both the rights and concern for the visually impaired gun carrier and concern for protection of others …

rudi
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rudi
3 years 15 days ago

The blind cannot drive in Iowa. If blindness limits driving privileges, it can’t trump 2nd Amendment rights according to Wingnuts…

adelinesdad
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adelinesdad
3 years 15 days ago
ordinarysparrow, yes I think the USAToday article did explore many sides of the issue. rudi, it’s a good point but I do think there are some differences: 1) I can’t think of any way that someone can safely operate a vehicle if they can’t see well. On the other hand, I can think of many ways that a legally blind person can operate a gun safely. At a firing range is one. As a deterrent or collectors item without the intention to use it. As a hunter when accompanied by other responsible people to help. But also I won’t assume… Read more »
JSpencer
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JSpencer
3 years 15 days ago

If you see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you probably shouldn’t be shooting something.

God forbid common sense should enter into this!!!

sheknows
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sheknows
3 years 15 days ago

” Driving is not a constitutionally protected right…..” Oh, this is about the rights of citizens then. Sorry, I thought this was about not allowing people who cannot see to do something which would harm or kill others accidentally if attempted.

ordinarysparrow
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ordinarysparrow
3 years 15 days ago
This is another issue where those considered far right and far left could meet for very different reasons… Left,disability rights… Right, gun rights…. Once again, we are shown that even in politics it is more a circle than linear, for there is one point where initial and ending space holders come back around touch and stands guard,side by side… Reminded of my father, an avid hunter and multiple gun owner. He was blind the last ten years of his life. If someone had told him he had the right to walk around carrying a gun those last ten year… I… Read more »
adelinesdad
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adelinesdad
3 years 15 days ago
sheknows, I’m merely pointing out a few differences between owning a gun and driving a car. Even if you believe neither should be done by blind people, my point is that the argument isn’t exactly the same. In the gun case there is the additional hurdle of the constitution. I addressed the safety argument in points #1 and #2. Those points are debatable also. My argument is just that the question is not so simple and I do think some of the comments here trivialize the argument and come across as denigrating both the abilities and intelligence of blind people,… Read more »
ELIJAH SWEETE
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3 years 15 days ago
Oh well, here goes. If one accepts the right of Americans generally to “pack heat on the street”, then the reasons may be as legitimate for the blind as for any other person. There is a false premise to the arguments above, namely that a gun necessarily includes shooting from a distance. As a weapon of self defense, it can, and perhaps most often would be, a very short range and perhaps point blank range defense in a personal attack. If that is the purpose, the blind could be equally served. This is different from firing down the street at… Read more »
ordinarysparrow
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ordinarysparrow
3 years 15 days ago
ES, then i ask if one uses the criteria, it would be discrimination, then how come it is acceptable to discriminate mentally ill individuals? How about disorders that would not allow them to hold a gun steady such as Parkinson disease? So you are suggesting visual, or motor impairments would be discriminating of the disabled, but mentally ill would be? Hmmm? Isnt the precedence to discriminate by way of disability already set with mental illness? There are many realistic possibilities where a blind person carrying a gun could be assaulted for that gun and not even see it coming…Not just… Read more »
ELIJAH SWEETE
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3 years 15 days ago

Sparrow,

You and I are not at odds on this. The central question is the availability of guns generally and the carrying of guns in public places. Reducing the number of firearms, particularly handguns, should be the goal across the board, not just among those with disabilities.

Unfortunately, our view has not prevailed – yet. We should focus our energies there. My view.

Btw, I agree that the ease of being able to take a gun from a disabled individual is a serious issue.

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ordinarysparrow
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ordinarysparrow
3 years 15 days ago

thanks ES… thought we were on the same page… :)

adelinesdad
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adelinesdad
3 years 15 days ago
Thanks Elijah for sharing your view. I agree with it for the most part, except I’m probably less anti-gun. Irresponsibility is much more dangerous than any physical impairment (yes, including Parkinsons, OS). As long as people are responsible they should understand their own limitations and not act in such a way that puts others at danger. That’s the responsibility of gun ownership that applies to all gun owners, disabled or not. Certain severe mental illnesses are a different matter. As I said before, rights and safety must be balanced. My understanding is that the courts have ruled that we can… Read more »
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