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Posted by on Oct 4, 2011 in Economy, Media, Politics, Society | 19 comments

If Not Chris Christie, Who?

Now that Chris Christie—potential savior of the Republican primaries—is expected to announce in a couple of hours his decision not to seek the presidency, Republicans are left with a slate of candidates they still wish they could improve upon. Among them, Obamacare “prototypist” Mitt Romney; Rick Perry and his Pet Rock; Congressional witch hunt proponent Michele Bachmann; homophobe Rick Santorum; impeach-Obama Ron Paul; family-values-Newt and others.

But Republicans need not despair, there is still a chance that Sarah Palin will triumphantly ride in on a moose and save the Party or that The Donald may still relent and save the country.

Read more about Chris Christie’s upcoming announcement here.

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  • dduck

    I think Cain could be a quick learner and a good delegator, so don’t say he isn’t able to me.
    Could he win, maybe not, too bad cause I he would bring a sense a humor to the WH, which is sorely needed. Most people think the president does everything (good or bad) and miss the fact that what you really need are good managerial skills and compass settings, and a pair of b—- (just like running any big enterprise). Enough with the week-kneed ideologues.

  • Allen

    Thanks Dorian!

    Looks like neo-conservatism just hit a brick wall at mach 4.

    Why what now shall the Tea Party do? Bet you they morph into a friendlier, compassionate, more COMPROMISING minority of dumb bunnies. Because they will obviously get voted out if they don’t.

    Oh the shame. The lost face. The horror of truth in the self realization that the country is not behind them and probably never will be.

  • Allen

    Duck…give it up.

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    dduck says:

    “I think Cain could be a quick learner and a good delegator, so don’t say he isn’t able to me…”

    You notice, I didn’t lampoon Cain.

    The question is, will Republicans make him their presidential nominee…

  • SteveK

    That’s an easy question Dorian… The Republicans aren’t even in the contest. President Barack Obama will win handily in 2012.

    And his next four years will be a lot easier because the obstructionist tea partiers in the lower-house (with 12% approval ratings) are going to be sent packing… Some may even have to start paying child support.

  • dduck

    DW: Probably not……………
    Just dreaming.

  • CStanley

    Been listening to Herman Cain on local radio for years and although I love the guy, no way is he ready to be POTUS. All I can say is that if he somehow managed to win the GOP nomination it would be extremely comedic to see the left leaning media outlets tying themselves in knots in dealing with a candidate who in many ways is a male, black version of Sarah Palin (but with less experience in elected office.)

    I’d probably accept him as a VP candidate though just as in the last election I’d be somewhat concerned of potential ascendency to presidency if something were to happen early in the term to the #1 person.

    At this point I’m betting that Rubio gets picked for VP though anyway, which would be good IMO both politically and practically,

  • dduck

    CS, so what does it take to be POTUS that this guy lacks and can’t manage with good advisors.

  • CStanley

    No foreign policy experience and seemingly little knowledge (fp inexperience applies to most governors but some seem more intuned to things and less likely to fall back on knee jerk ideology)

    No political experience which means he has no natural allies in Congress and no knowledge of how to grease the wheels

    Also related to #2, the inability to know when to parse his words more carefully (compounded by the fact that he’s used to performing for the choir on a conservative radio talk show) If this doesn’t trip him up in the primaries it will either finish him off in the general or if he somehow gets elected, his WH will have to spend too much time on damage control.

    Plus I just think he’s savvy and has common sense but not quite enough intellectual heft. I tend to lean more toward the former qualities but a certain amy of the latter is necessary. True that good advisors help but you have to have someone who knows how to pick good advisors and knows what he doesn’t know so that he’ll turn to advisors to get up to speed and then be able to weight pros and cons of various policy positions.

  • dduck

    To refute everything you point at, I counterpoint that Obama got the nod, and look at what a bang up job he has done.
    Cain can rely on advisors, just as perhaps O has ignored them early in his apprenticeship.
    “No political experience which means he has no natural allies in Congress and no knowledge of how to grease the wheels”
    I think he would have plenty (maybe too much) of support from new allies and maybe that would be a good thing. Obama’s natural allies were mostly progressives.

  • Jim Satterfield

    Yes, Obama has done a better job than Cain would have done, given the same circumstances. The argument that Obama has done a horrible job, given his circumstances, is a very weak one.

  • merkin

    I live in Georgia were Cain couldn’t make any inroads to the nomination as governor. He barely made a showing. And we nominated and elected Nathan Deal, who has just been a half step in front of a federal indictment his whole career. He ran for governor to avoid an investigation by the Congressional ethics panel.

    I still think Romney is the only reasonable Republican candidate. He would stand a more than even chance of beating Obama.

    Certainly Romney would far and away be better than anyone else running and should be a natural choice of the Republican establishment, especially Wall Street, since he is one of their own.

    Perhaps his Tea Party cred is not where that of some of the other current contenders are, but why are we suppose to believe this is a bad thing? What about the Tea Party screams good government?

  • ShannonLeee

    I don’t care how well Cain polls…he won’t win the nomination….won’t happen.

    Romney is the only and obvious choice.

  • CStanley

    @dduck- Obama had far more political connections and had a resume that while thin (too thin IMO), checked off more of the boxes that we tend to see in our nationally elected officials- Ivy League law degree, Constitutional law professor, state senator, US senator, etc.

    So that part satisfied voters who are used to electing people who come up through those channels. It’s true too that a lot of voters are looking for an outsider, who seems like he understands the voters’ frustrations with business as usual in DC and wants to clean house…but I believe that the party establishments tend to block any real chance that such a candidate might have unkess it looks like the person is someone they can promote to voters but actually pull the strings. Either way the voters lose because the true reform candidates don’t stand a chance at nomination but the fake, figurehead type of reform candidate means that things people are lulled into believing that things are going to get reformed but it actually gets even worse (car in point, I believe that Obama is that kind of guy on the progressive side- where the most corrupt ‘advisors’ are really pulling the strings after having duped progressive voters into thinking that Obama was going to shake things up.) It doesn’t take long for some voters to catch on after the guys in office but by then it’s too late and the voters are also left wondering what the remedy is since they certainly still don’t want to vote in someone from the opposing party.

    My point is that yeah, you can definitely say that Obama and Cain are mirror images of each other with regard to this sort of thing…and yeah, Obama got elected so maybe Cain could but I think there are differences in their resumes and political connectedness that will prevent election for Cain. And even if I’m wrong- I think that both Obama and Cain are wannabe reformers who aren’t really up to the task for various reasons. I think Cain would probably pick the wrong advisors just as Obama has, and then would rely on the wrong advice as I believe Obama has.

  • dduck

    CS, I have not been clear. Cain is my dream candidate, Romney is my eat your vegetables one.
    I don’t compare Cain to Obama, they are not similar at all. They say we vote for the candidate that is opposite of the previous one, and Cain fills that bill, IMHO.
    I don’t care about connections and degrees, I want hutzpa and action this time around. Cain would not pick poor advisers and does not think or act like Obama. So, I can’t see why you are lumping them together.

  • SteveK

    So, I can’t see why you are lumping them [Obama / Cain] together.

    Really? Well all I can say is this sort of thing happens all the time in the South… and in the Rust Belt… and in the Mid-West… and the Southwest… etc. etc.

  • CStanley

    dduck- not sure I’m being clear either…my original point is that I’ve listened to Cain on the radio enough that I feel I have a better sense of who he is than those who are just getting to know him. I agree that he seems like a ‘kick ass’ kind of candidate and that’s probably even how he genuinely sees himself- but that’s why I’m comparing him to Obama because I do think they’re the flip sides of the same coin. They seem like opposites (one wants to reform from the progressive viewpoint and one wants to from the conservative viewpoint) but neither one IMO has the capability to do so and they end up getting coapted by the powers that be, if they’re even able to get past the influential party brokers to begin with.

    Again, it’s just my opinion,,,,and I’d love to be proven wrong because I do like Cain personally and like what he stands for, for the most part. I just don’t think he’s quite all that, based on my assessment of his level of competence combined with his complete inexperience in a political scenario.

  • CStanley

    Oh, you’re too quick for me, Steve! Here I am, a white woman who lives in the South, thinking I can write a blog comment that includes one particular negative trait that I see as comparable in two black presidential candidates…and thinking that perhaps that could be seen as a nonracist commentary.

    I’l just have to start following your example to learn how not to stereotype people I guess.

  • dduck

    OK, CS, I get it now, and maybe if I’d been listening to Cain all along, I’d agree with you.
    And, I don’t think race has anything to do with it on my or your part.
    Thank goodness I haven’t had to listen to Romney for that long a time, I already take too many naps. My motto: “Cain is able.” “Or, he Cain do it not just talk about it.”
    BTW: The editorial page of the WSJ is full of Cain today (sorry, liberals, I know you thought BS).

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