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Hillary Clinton And The Left

Hillary Clinton and the Left

The Hill has an article on Hillary Clinton which, as is the case with many of their articles, recites the conventional wisdom with little real insight or new information. Most of their five points are trivial, such as that anything Hillary says, or doesn’t say (as in the case of Ferguson) makes the news. The only point in the article which I think is worthy of any discussion is the second, their claim that “The left doesn’t really hate her after all.”

In recent weeks, critics and even some Democratic allies have worried that Clinton has failed to satisfy some on the left.

On earlier this month, Ezra Klein wrote that “liberals walk away unnerved” after almost every interview Clinton had done around her recent book tour.

“She bumbled through a discussion of gay marriage with [NPR’s] Terry Gross. She dodged questions about the Keystone XL pipeline. She’s had a lot of trouble discussing income inequality,” Klein asserted.

Other progressives have expressed a desire to see a candidate rooted within the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.), challenge Clinton.

But poll numbers provide succor to Clinton supporters.

A CNN poll conducted in late July showed that there was essentially no difference in the backing Clinton received from self-identified liberal Democrats over Democrats as a whole. Sixty-six percent of liberal Democrats supported her, as did 67 percent of all party supporters.

Clinton allies object to the notion that the former secretary of State is in trouble with the left.

“She is progressive and has support from the vast majority of progressives, which I would argue spans from the left to the middle, including some conservative Democrats along the way, too,” said one longtime aide.

Another ally who has worked for Clinton took it a step further, insisting that the he idea of widespread unease about her on the left was a “fictional plot that people want to believe is true.”

For all practical purposes this might as well be true, but it is an over-simplification. I certainly would not consider Clinton to be a liberal, but the right has moved to so such extremes that she could not be classified as a conservative today either. She may be a former Goldwater girl, but the Republicans have moved far to the right of Barry Goldwater. One significant factor is that while the Republican Party is pulled to the right by a strong conservative movement, the Democratic Party is a centrist party which often ignores liberal influence. Many liberals I discuss politics with are very concerned about Clinton’s relatively conservative views, but we also make up a tiny percentage of the centrist-dominated voters for the Democrats.

Clinton also benefits from the widespread realization that there is not much choice other than to support her. The faction of the left which would vote for the Green Party or a Ralph Nader like challenge from the left is even smaller than those of us who feel Clinton is too conservative. Most of us anti-Clinton Democrats realize that whatever faults Clinton has, the Republicans will be as bad on foreign policy and far worse on domestic policy.

Clinton also probably benefits from factors such as a favorable view among Democrats of electing the first female president. Plus there is nostalgia for the period of peace and prosperity when Bill Clinton was president. However the times have changed and electing a Clinton will not mean returning to the Clinton economy.

I suspect that these factors also blind many Democratic voters to how conservative Clinton is on many issues, even if given warnings in recent interviews. She is likely to be seen as more socially liberal than she actually is do her position on “women’s issues” but being even Republican women are more liberal than the Republican establishment in this area. While Clinton has received criticism for appearing dishonest and calculating for naming the Bible as the book with the greatest influence on her thinking, that might not really be out of character considering her past participation with the religiously conservative Fellowship while in Congress.

I also suspect that many liberals fail to realize how conservative she is on foreign policy issues. Being Obama’s Secretary of State blurs the distinctions between Clinton and the rest of the Obama administration, but during her tenure as Secretary of State the common pattern was for Clinton to push for a more hawkish position which was countered by others in the administration.

Clinton’s hawkish views on Iraq are also obscured by the fact that many Democrats voted for the Iraq war resolution. However, while all who voted yes were terribly mistaken, there were still significant differences in views within that group. On the left was John Kerry, who voted yes but clearly laid out the conditions under which war would be justified, and then spent the next several months pushing Bush not to go to war. On the extreme right of the Democratic Party there was Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton, being unique among Democrats in pushing to go to war based upon the fictitious arguments connecting Saddam to al Qaeda:

Indeed, in Clinton’s October 10, 2002, speech about her vote she said of Saddam: LINK

“He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.”

As Don van Natta and Jeff Gerth have written in their book about Clinton and the New York Times, Clinton’s linkage of Saddam and al Qaeda was unique among Democrats and “was unsupported by the conclusions of the N.I.E. and other secret intelligence reports that were available to senators before the vote.” LINK

Former Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Sen. Bob Graham, D-Florida, said it was a spurious claim: “I don’t think any agency pretended to make a case that there was a strong linkage between Saddam Hussein and 9/11. It wasn’t in the N.I.E.”

“Nevertheless,” van Natta and Gerth write, “on the sensitive issue of collaboration between Al Qaeda and Iraq, Senator Clinton found herself adopting the same argument that was being aggressively pushed by the administration. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and other administration officials had repeated their claim frequently, and by early October 2002, two out of three Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was connected to the Sept. 11 attacks. By contrast, most of the other Senate Democrats, even those who voted for the war authorization, did not make the Qaeda connection in their remarks on the Senate floor.”

Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., “actively assailed the reports of Al Qaeda in Iraq, calling them ‘much exaggerated.’ Senator Dianne Feinstein of California described any link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda as ‘tenuous.’ The Democratic senator who came closest to echoing Clinton’s remarks about Hussein’s supposed assistance to Al Qaeda was Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut. Yet even Lieberman noted that ‘the relationship between Al Qaeda and Saddam’s regime is a subject of intense debate within the intelligence community.’”

How could Clinton get this key point so wrong?

“My vote was a sincere vote based on the facts and assurances that I had at the time,” she said in February.

But what facts and assurances?

If someone were to mount a serious primary challenge to Clinton I suspect that opposition to Clinton would increase on the left, based upon foreign policy, economics, and social issues, along with questions about her competence and judgment. The 2008 race showed that deep down many Democrats do have reservations about Clinton and would support a viable challenge. Unfortunately, at least so far, I do not see such a challenge emerging. Many liberals who are concerned about Clinton’s Wall Street connections would love to see Elizabeth Warren run, but this is highly unlikely to happen. Bernie Sanders is talking about possibly running.  Joe Biden is traveling to New Hampshire, leading to speculation about him running. While he is far from the ideal candidate, and I never really thought of backing him, as I read about how Biden was a strong voice against Clinton’s hawkish views in the Obama administration, Biden increasingly looks like a far more favorable alternative if he can mount a viable campaign and no better options arise.

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  • The 2016 nomination battle (to the limited degree there is a battle) is well underway. The time to attempt to criticize potential nominees, and attempt to get the Democrats to nominate a liberal as opposed to Clinton, is now when there remains a slight hope of someone else mounting a campaign.

    I don’t think much of either arguments that people don’t even have the right to express their views in criticizing your candidate, or ad hominem attacks that those critical of the idea of the Democrats nominating someone as conservative as Clinton are somehow friends of the Koch brothers.

  • dduck

    Ok, I got your female candidate. She is my pinup politician, and yes, she is a Dem.

  • dduck,

    Maybe she will be a national candidate some day. We’ve head a lot of talk about an African American president and next a female president. Would it be too much for the right to have a non-Christian president?

  • dduck

    And, she has more real world experience than EW, with a racially and religiously diverse background. I find her charming and, this is important for me, practical and grounded.
    If you read the Wikipedia, you will find a nice spectrum of committees she is involved with. I bet she would also fight for our vets, and not just with words.

  • I don’t know much about her but from the Wikipedia article she does sound like someone with a promising future.

  • sheknows

    She could be a good choice DD. Although she , like 50 other states passed the homeless law, making it illegal to sleep on the street or be fed , or keep belongings etc.)

    I love Bernie Sanders too, and EW and Alan Grayson and a few others that have integrity and aren’t wusses.

    Maybe an article about all the potential, viable Dems and” passable Reps” ( if any) and their qualifications would be more informative than a bashing session. Just my opinion of course. 🙂

  • dduck

    On second thought, I think she might be too honest to get further than Senator. Big money, which now controls who goes anywhere in the Rep and Dem parties, would not be able to control an honest person, hence not enough of the big bucks to get elected. Sorry, we will only get to select among “electable” candidates, in other words, we are screwed.

  • “but it would take an extremely strong person with a mind of their own who also considers the extremists in their party a serious problem.
    If you know any, than I would call them passable.”

    I think that many in the Republican leadership see the Tea Party to be a serious problem–but only in objecting to their tactics such as shutting down the government. Plus their objection is only because it harms their chances of winning. The problem is that they might disagree on tactics, but on policy matters they are pretty much as far right as the Tea Party.

  • “The right just keeps moving further and further right Ron…making center and left more right…get it?”

    That’s only part of the difference. The other component is the polarization by the parties with Republicans driving out their more moderate members and the old southern conservatives joining the Democrats. There were liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats in the past.

    I saw a recent study which compared the voting records of members of each party and found that more recently the most conservative Democrat was still significantly more liberal than the most liberal Republican. There is no longer any overlap between the parties in Congress, as there was in the past.

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  • sheknows

    I do wish to apologize to you Ron for taking issue with his one of your many articles.
    I do often agree with your pov, accept when it comes to what is to me, a relentless attack on Hillary Clinton.
    You are entitled to your opinion and I as a reader have the option not to read anything you say about her. I should have done that, however I was fooled into thinking perhaps there was another angle on her with the Dems.
    Dr e was correct and I did attack your choice of articles and your viewpoint..although I believe we are all here to challenge each other in order to learn. It would be a strange website if we all agreed on everything and did not challenge each other. Anyway I learned nothing new from the article, but I should not have criticized your choice of it.

    Next time you write about Hillary, I will know not to stop by and read it. 🙂 Again, sorry.

  • JSpencer

    the Democratic Party is a centrist party which often ignores liberal influence

    True – and Hillary is no exception to that. Still, democrats will rally around her (some reluctantly) because she will be the candidate who will do the least harm. Not a very exciting criteria to base ones precious vote on, but there it is. Sigh…

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