I hold my head, I hold my head… credible threat not taken credibly. Armed man, known menace, boards children-filled school bus.

News media across the nation reports as per AP,

A gunman holed up in a bunker with a 6-year-old hostage kept law officers at bay Wednesday in an all-night, all-day standoff that began when he killed a school bus driver and dragged the boy away, authorities said.

SWAT teams took up positions around the gunman’s rural property and police negotiators tried to win the kindergartener’s safe release.

The gunman, identified by neighbors as Jimmy Lee Dykes, a 65-year-old retired truck driver, was known around the neighborhood as a menacing figure who once beat a dog to death with a lead pipe, threatened to shoot children for setting foot on his property and patrolled his yard at night with a flashlight and a shotgun.

He had been scheduled to appear in court Wednesday morning to answer charges he shot at his neighbors in a dispute last month over a speed bump.

The standoff along a red dirt road began on Tuesday afternoon, after a gunman boarded a stopped school bus filled with children in the town of Midland City, population 2,300. Sheriff Wally Olsen said the man shot the bus driver when he refused to hand over a 6-year-old child.

Read the rest here at NPR newsite

DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist
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Willwright
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Willwright
3 years 7 months ago

I’m waiting for the NRA to say armed guards are needed on all school buses as well.

Willwright
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Willwright
3 years 7 months ago

By the way there are about half a million school buses in the US.

ordinarysparrow
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ordinarysparrow
3 years 7 months ago
(“Little guys” in the real world we don’t want to burden them.) Today, like too many in the past we are seeing very little “little guys” in the real world and darn right they need to be burdened…. “LaPierre’s exchanges with members of the Senate Judiciary Committee grew testy at times, especially when LaPierre argued that universal instant background checks would place an undue burden on “the little guy” in the “real world,” while criminals would get the guns illegally.” Today Senate Judiciary committee 1. Multiple people were wounded during a shooting at an office complex Wednesday morning in Arizona….Authorities… Read more »
cjjack
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cjjack
3 years 7 months ago
For a long time now, members of the “mainstream” media have been accused of being part of some giant liberal conspiracy to tilt the news in a direction favorable to their politics. The “liberal media,” or “the lamestream media” are terms routinely thrown about. It is of course fantasy. There is no secret cabal of people – liberal or otherwise – dictating the entirety of mainstream media in one direction or another. You don’t have to declare your allegiance to liberalism in order to get a media job. There is no requirement to join the Democratic party. There is no… Read more »
petew
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petew
3 years 7 months ago
This is obviously a very disheartening and disturbing story—to say the least! It is reminiscent of many classic American novels and sounds just as surreal and bizarre as any movie about frighteningly deviant psychopaths i.e. “The Lovely Bones.” It is another story involving a crazed person in possession of a gun, who uses it violently in order to get his way. Although it is certainly represents a valid argument in favor of more stringent background checks for those who would purchase deadly weapons, at this point, the type of gun used has not been described nor has the shooter been… Read more »
petew
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petew
3 years 7 months ago

When I said the shooter had not been linked to any criminal record or history of mental illness, I should have mentioned that he was presently charged with dangerously threatening his neighbors by firing at them, and was due to appear in court. I assume that whatever else we know or don’t know will soon be determined by additional press coverage of the incident.

zusa1
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zusa1
3 years 7 months ago

cjjack,
“There is no secret cabal of people – liberal or otherwise – dictating the entirety of mainstream media in one direction or another.”

There was journolist. That wasn’t fantasy.

ordinarysparrow
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ordinarysparrow
3 years 7 months ago

Petew in one report i read…..

The gunman, identified by neighbors as Jimmy Lee Dykes, a 65-year-old retired truck driver, was known around the neighborhood as a menacing figure who once beat a dog to death with a lead pipe, threatened to shoot children for setting foot on his property and patrolled his yard at night with a flashlight and a shotgun. CBS News

That sounds really sick….

ordinarysparrow
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ordinarysparrow
3 years 7 months ago
Another one of the ‘little guys in the real world’, as reported by CBS today: (CBS/AP) LILBURN, Ga. – A 69-year-old suburban Atlanta man faces a murder charge after authorities say he shot and killed a 22-year-old man who had mistakenly driven into his driveway. An arrest warrant states that Rodrigo Abad Diaz of Duluth, Ga., was fatally shot in the head Saturday as he tried to drive away from Phillip Sailors’ home in Lilburn, northeast of Atlanta. According to Diaz’s friends, who were in the vehicle at the time of the incident, the 22-year-old had received incorrect directions from… Read more »
sheknows
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sheknows
3 years 7 months ago

We eliminated slavery from the constitution. We can eliminate guns from it as well. The constitution is a contract between the people and it’s government. But like any contract, it can be revised, as in the case of slavery.
It needs to be revised again.

epiphyte
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epiphyte
3 years 7 months ago

At the time the second amendment was passed, the state-of-the-art personal firearm was a muzzle-loading Springfield rifle, capable of two rounds per minute in the hands of a competent infantryman who was not being otherwise distracted by nearby cops, teachers, kids, etc attempting to protect themselves with their bare hands.

I wonder if the originalists on the supreme court would agree with my conclusion that that would appear to be a reasonable benchmark for the right to bear arms?

sheknows
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3 years 7 months ago
I think if we as a nation don’t want to get serious about the real issue here, then we should stop pretending we are sickened by the slaughter, stop decrying the loss of innocent lives and just toss up our hands in a “whaddya gonna do” and go back to watching our TV shows OR actually DO something about it. The truth is, any nation that can have these types of rampant killings and then refuses to even pass bandaid legislation is itself, a very sick country. We all thought “after THIS the laws will change” at least 5 mass… Read more »
ShannonLeee
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ShannonLeee
3 years 7 months ago

What a world

The_Ohioan
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The_Ohioan
3 years 7 months ago

Have you called your congressman today?

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

dduck
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dduck
3 years 7 months ago

This guy could have done the same thing with a knife, so let’s wait for the whole story. One thing it is not is a mass murder with a semi-automatic. There are plenty of individual nut jobs out there and the reporting has ampted up because of the current gun control issue. If this guy killed the driver with a shotgun, do we start hollering for a ban on those? Just my 3 cents.

zephyr
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zephyr
3 years 7 months ago

Good point dd. Reporting is indeed amped up now that gun control is on everyones radar (once again) but people need to focus. One thing seems clear, a guy with a history of making threats and committing acts of violence shouldn’t have been free to run around and continue being a threat.

sheknows
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sheknows
3 years 7 months ago

dd, I was not referring to this particuliar incident. It is just one of innumerable ones we have in this country everyday. It is the reason we have these incidents in the first place.

ordinarysparrow
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ordinarysparrow
3 years 7 months ago
dduck thanks but perhaps you are not getting full range of the discussion…Yesterday in the hearing: “LaPierre’s exchanges with members of the Senate Judiciary Committee grew testy at times, especially when LaPierre argued that universal instant background checks would place an undue burden on “the little guy” in the “real world,” while criminals would get the guns illegally.” Today Senate Judiciary committee Would say that many of us can agree that a person that beats to death a large dog with a lead pipe and threatens to shoot children for stepping on his property is someone that does not need… Read more »
dduck
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3 years 7 months ago
SK said: “dd, I was not referring to this particuliar incident. It is just one of innumerable ones we have in this country everyday. It is the reason we have these incidents in the first place.” That’s the point, if the headline changed to: killed instead of shot dead, we would not be having a discussion on guns and would, as pointed out above, be on mental health issues, which are just being ampted up when a firearm is involved. OS, re range of discussion, I did make this comment yesterday: “LaP, said the criminals will not register. That is… Read more »
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yoopermoose
3 years 7 months ago

dd, could he have done it with a knife? Could the bus driver have had more of a chance to overpower him if he was just welding a knife? I don’t think you can just assume an outcome regardless of the weapon used. The attacker in China stabbed 22 children with a knife and they all lived.

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yoopermoose
3 years 7 months ago

dd:

“My point is if we start mixing in too much into the gun control debate, we are playing into the hands of the NRA which will maintain that we are not focused and to use the words of one funny person; “What’s the difference?”, it won’t do any good. Better to focus on the registration and magazine issues first.”

I agree.

petew
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petew
3 years 7 months ago
dduck, I think that even if the 2nd Amendment does permit private citizens to “bear arms,” and this is interpreted as private ownership, it would be fine if we would also prevented sick individuals from obtaining guns. Obviously, someone like the person in this story who abducts a child after killing a bus driver, and who previously beat a 120 pound dog to death with a lead pipe, is not someone who should have been allowed to use any gun, period. We don’t have to deny shotguns or hunting rifles etc., to anyone who passes a thorough background check—only those… Read more »
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3 years 7 months ago
dduck
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dduck
3 years 7 months ago
To Yooper and Petew, yes it could have been done with a knife or his lead pipe. (Ever try to kill a 120 pound dog.) I’m not quibbling about types of weapons, I’m talking about news reports that are ampted up when a gun is involved and ignored or minimized when it is NOT a gun (the guys in China, yes), and generates TONS of words regarding guns when this is really a mental/nut-job story that we would only briefly comment on, if at all. And, careful with the he is mentally unfit (call in the Morality/Sanity Squad) so we… Read more »
petew
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petew
3 years 7 months ago
dduck, I believe that universal and thorough background checks along with banning mega gun clips would be an important first step—especially if that is the only position considered acceptable. However, the ideas of accepting weapons with extremely destructive power to be easily available makes no sense either, and, must also eventually be addressed. Of course, many “nut-jobs” as you call them can commit crimes with, knives, rocks or box-cutters, for that matter. But the people who go overboard in this way are usually jailed eventually anyway. However, in order to prevent abusing the types of weapons in question,they must be… Read more »
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