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  • JSpencer

    America has a strange history of being pals with brutal, oppressive regimes. Necessary diplomacy is one thing, but…

  • Rummy helped end that man’s life. So I am thinking an pic and a handshake don’t mean much. On another note, Saddam had a nice shawl-collar tuxedo jacket in this image. Looks a bit more dapper than when they dug him out of that hole in the ground.

  • epiphyte

    I once found an ancient newspaper which had a photo of my great-grandfather shaking hands with Adolph Hitler. This wasn’t quite a case of ‘Nuf said… He was the chairman of the Olympic committee for a tiny, insignificant nation in 1936, and the picture was taken at the opening of the games. Later, that country, not to mention that same man, played a disproportionate role in thwarting the expansion of the Nazis into North Africa.

    Not that I believe for a second that Rumsfeld falls into the same category, you understand… In fact, I’m quite comfortable that in this case, appearances are not at all deceiving. I just wanted to note that it’s not always appropriate to use just a picture to paint too many words.

  • Nice shawl-collar tuxedo jacket. Saddam looks sharper than he did crawling out of that hole in the earth.

  • PATRICK EDABURN, Assistant Editor

    I am not freaking out over Obama shaking hands with Castro and agree that it is hypocritical for the GOP to do so given the examples above.

    On the other hand some on the left have attacked Rumsfeld/etc for that handshake so is that not equally double standard ?

    (I’m guessing some will argue it is not on the “the left does no wrong” theorem but presume most will not go that way)

  • DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, Managing Editor of TMV, and Columnist

    shawl collar tuxedo. man, you know your duds dude. lol Happy holidays dr. p.

    on another note, there are pictures of HW Bush with all kinds of tyrants with ‘blood on their hands’ as one R congresswoman screeched about today re Obama shaking LOTS of hands on his way to the podium. Castro happened to be first in line.

    If desired, I have tons of pix of usa repub politicos, Bush the younger as well, St. Ron, and others embracing, hugging, laughing with, shaking hands with, drinking with, eating with, smiling with, walking with, arms around some of the most well known despots of the world. Demmies not so much. But there is that one pix of Nixon that will live on forever too.

    But most of all I see another side to Cuba, many may not see. I’ve listened firsthand for years to salivating by US developers about all that cuban coastline they lust to ‘develop’ [read destroy and think they’re doing the people a favor by putting them into low pay jobs to service the ‘development.’ No. Personally, I think the Castro brothers ought protect the island from the US ‘commerce on the land’ for as long as they can.

  • ordinarysparrow

    Cannot see any controversy in two world leaders shaking hands at a memorial service for another world leader….Whether they shook hands or not is meaningless as far as foreign policy. If they had not acknowledged each other it would of been simply tacky…Creating controversy over two world leaders shaking hands is a mentality that dictates against decency and emotional intelligence?

  • shawl collar tuxedo. man, you know your duds dude.

    Mostly I wear 50 year old second hand Reyn Spooner aloha shirts. But there was a time I cut up West LA. Maybe I will write about it one day. California Dreamin’ …

    Best wishes to you and your family this holiday season!

  • rudi

    On the other hand some on the left have attacked Rumsfeld/etc for that handshake so is that not equally double standard ?
    No, enough of the false equivalence. Rummy’s handshake gave Saddam a go ahead to escalate his attacks, even using chemical weapons. This implicit approval gave Saddam the delusion that the US would overlook his aggression into Kuwait.

    A number of proxy forces participated in the war, most notably the Iranian Mujahedin-e-Khalq siding with Ba’athist Iraq and Iraqi Kurdish militias of Kurdish Democratic Party and Patriotic Union of Kurdistan siding with Iran – all suffering a major blow by the end of the conflict.

    The war cost both sides in lives and economic damage: half a million Iraqi and Iranian soldiers, with an equivalent number of civilians, are believed to have died, with many more injured; however, the war brought neither reparations nor changes in borders. The conflict has been compared to World War I[39]:171 in terms of the tactics used, including large-scale trench warfare with barbed wire stretched across trenches, manned machine-gun posts, bayonet charges, human wave attacks across a no-man’s land, and extensive use of chemical weapons such as mustard gas by the Iraqi government against Iranian troops, civilians, and Iraqi Kurds. At the time of the conflict, the U.N. Security Council issued statements that “chemical weapons had been used in the war.” U.N. statements never clarified that only Iraq was using chemical weapons, and according to retrospective authors “the international community remained silent as Iraq used weapons of mass destruction against Iranian[s] as well as Iraqi Kurds.”

  • JSpencer

    Interesting comments about the Cuban coastline Dr. E. I think you’re absolutely right. I hope the salivators can be held at bay.

  • SteveK

    Mostly I wear 50 year old second hand Reyn Spooner aloha shirts.

    I know where you’re coming from Kevin… My addiction is Bugle Boy shirts and they went out of business 12+ years ago. Fortunately they were well made using quality material and thanks to eBay I always have several in the closet.

  • ordinarysparrow

    As Jon Stewart suggested, these leaders were attending the memorial service of a man whose life was given in the service of his country, a man that endured great hardship, forgiveness, and life service to bring divergent people and interest together…

    If anyone is not permitted to shake hands at Mandela’s memorial service, they really should not even be there…

    That handshake was a great honoring of Mandela….

  • JSpencer

    Well said sparrow. The concept seems beyond the scope of chronic Obama bashers.

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