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Posted by on Dec 12, 2007 in At TMV | 4 comments

Freedom Showers

Cross-posted to The Debate Link

Stephen Suh at the new Cogitamus Blog asks for defenders of torture policy to tell us why we were wrong back in the 1940s when we stood strong against torture. We prosecuted Japanese military officers after WWII for waterboarding our guys. Even the Mississippi Supreme Court, at the height of Jim Crow, declared it beyond the pale. Why were they mistaken?

My TMV co-blogger Pete Abel thinks the era of the culture war is over as foreign policy and national security take their place as the primary political issues of the new era. I’m afraid I can’t share his optimism. Even if abortion and homophobia fade to the background as my generation takes over, they’ll merely be replaced by different areas of concern. One of the more terrifying developments of the past few years has been the significant segment of the American electorate — including a goodly portion of the presidential candidates for a major political party — unabashedly declaring themselves pro-torture. Like the debates on abortion and gay marriage, this is a moral issue that speaks to the very soul of the nation. Culture still matters when it is still a matter of debate as to whether the American culture will sanction simulated drowning, endless detention without trial, and the other gross human rights abuses that have characterized the “war on terror”. Foreign policy hasn’t changed the game, merely the frame.

In any event, with a nod to this comment, I move we rename “waterboarding” to the far more apt “freedom shower.” It certainly fits the self-image of its barbaric proponents.

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  • DLS

    The term actually befits the most childish Bush-bashers. They can’t even get the words right.

  • Entropy

    Lol, “freedom shower.” That is dark, sick humor.

  • Somebody

    Im glad to see you pulled the ugly degeneration of comments including mine.

    I will still stand by my more moderate assertion that this is nothing more then a bunch of thugs who were looking for a fight and hardly fall into the category of The Religious right.

    These thugs are very similar to the Islamic Fascists who kill, murder, kidnap and suicide bomb. Many would choose to indict an entire Muslim faith on the actions of a mathematically insignificant few.

    Because 10 thugs scream this is a “Christian Country” does not mean that Christians agree with Jew bashing. In fact the Christians are some of the Jewish peoples biggest supporters.

    Including me. My wife and I have even discussed about moving to Israel for a few years just so we can walk a mile in their shoes. We’ve discussed moving to Jordan as well and walk a mile in their shoes. We would both teach.

    That does not make us special but it illustrates what I preach here. I have compassion for the MUSLIM IRAQI’s and im just not blowing smoke. I also have compassion for the Jewish People and would truly love to see a resolution to the middle east conflict that brings dignity to all parties.

  • Somebody

    OKay this is really bizarre. I looked at the op on “This is a christian country and saw no posts at all which caused me to write the above.

    Then it posted here and not in the other articles comment section and now all the posts I thought were gone are back.

    So sorry to put this here, it belonged in another post.

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