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Posted by on Sep 4, 2012 in 2012 Elections, At TMV, Politics, USA Presidential Election 2012 | 12 comments

Facts? We Don’t Need No Stinking Facts

Republicans are apparently not even pretending anymore that they’re telling the truth. The Big Lie seems to have unabashedly become their Official Policy. One Republican campaign pollster, Neil Newhouse, even said: “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers,” at a panel organized by ABC News. (There are sources for this quote all over the internet. I’ll put the ones I found in my own brief search below.)

The acceptance speeches of both Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan were “…peppered with statements that were incorrect or incomplete — seemed to signal the arrival of a new kind of presidential campaign, one in which concerns about fact-checking have been largely set aside…” according to a piece by Michael Cooper in the New York Times titled  “Facts Take a Beating in Acceptance Speeches.”

All politicians lie about something, or torture the truth to gain political advantage – including the Democrats and the Obama campaign. But the Republicans evidently have decided that truth is completely irrelevant in their own campaigns. Statement after statement that they cry full throatedly is just plain wrong or barely true. Big issue, little issue, it doesn’t seem that they’re embarrassed at all when the inaccuracies are pointed out to them.

No stinking facts, is their new policy. And just what are you goin’ to do about it?

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  • slamfu

    Fact challenged demagoguery has worked so well for Hannity and Rush I guess the GOP just decided since they are essentially dealing with the same people to just go for it themselves.

  • SteveK

    I posted two graphs here on Sunday showing the incredible difference in the number of lies Republicans tell as opposed to Democrats.

    The graph was compiled by an individual (politiifact intentionally makes making this comparison extremely difficult) but instead of promoting discussion about this obscene disparity the conversation segued into whether the chart was valid as it wasn’t compiled by a ‘reputable source’ or that reading graphs was difficult.

    I went to Politifact’s ‘Pants-on-fire’ pages and here’s what I found:

    Page 1 – Pants-on-fire LIES
    Rep – 17
    Dem – 3

    Page 2 – Pants-on-fire LIES
    Rep – 19
    Dem – 1

    Page 3 – Pants-on-fire LIES
    Rep – 16
    Dem – 4

    Page 4 – Pants-on-fire LIES
    Rep – 18
    Dem – 2

    This pattern continued for another 7 pages.

    The fact is 7 out of 8 ‘pants-on-fire’ lies at Politifact come from Republicans.

    The link to Politifact is for those who think that I am not a reliable source and continue to try and convince others the both sides LIE and it’s equal… ‘just the same’… Go see for yourself!

    It sure would be nice if right-wing political hacks would stop wasting everyone’s time by intentionally lying about these truths.

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist


    Keep on trucking. You are doing just great, and remember “Illegitimi non carborundum.” (And before any one gets too offended, this phrase was the motto of US Army general “Vinegar” Joe Stillwell “and was further popularized in the US by 1964 Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater.”)

  • SteveK

    Thanks Dorian, Though my favorite motto is:

    “Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum.”

    And is also not meant to offend! 🙂

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    LOL, Steve.

    That one for sure should not offend anyone.

    And for those who may have thought ill of my “Illegitimi,” the meaning of that expression has long-lost its literal translation meaning and is now used “liberally” (the other liberal)to warn against detractors –political and otherwise — and other attackers, trolls, etc.

    Having explained my intention, let me hasten to add, “Honni soit qui mal y pense,” should the latter be misconstrued. 🙂

  • The_Ohioan

    I had to look up the latin since I never took it in high school, but if the complaints are directed to me, and I’m pretty sure they are, apparently my caution about charts produced by individuals came on too strong. If so I appologize. The charts speak for themselves and give what I think is a correct reading of Politifacts reading of the facts. My remark was meant to caution about using any old individual’s charts, cause Mr. Twain cautioned us about the same thing many years ago. Just because we think a chart is probably right and it buttresses our argument, if it’s not produced by a reputable authority – like Politifact – it’s not as valid as if it had been produced by a reputable authority. Even the other miscreant was convinced as he indicated in his other statements (even if he couldn’t resist pulling your leg a bit).

    My method, which not everyone cares for, is to present the most cogent facts I can find and if people don’t like them – too bad – that’s their problem not mine. I have plenty of other things to worry about.

  • SteveK

    Hi The_Ohioan – No my comment wasn’t aimed at anybody specifically, just the general drift and actually you said that you ‘felt’ that it was true and I had no problem with you comment at all.

    Others however (in several threads recently) seem to look at the facts and talk about something else… anything else instead of admit what is right in front of them and my comment(s) were hoping to get a discussion from them instead of more of the same… I’m getting used to disappointment along those lines.

    Admittedly I do this sometimes myself but feel it’s in the same 1:7 ratio as where the democrat vs. republican LIES, lie. 🙂

    FWIW – The Latin phrase I quoted was simply: “A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.” It, and the ‘smiley,’ were meant to lighten things a bit.

  • Rcoutme

    When talking to my conservative acquaintances, I had to stop quoting Politifact’s ratings. They seem to think that Politifact is biased (on the liberal side, of course). It does not matter to them whether or not the site explains things in great detail. It does not seem to behoove them to prove Politifact wrong. My acquaintances simply dismiss anything, from anyone, at all times, that does not come from a source that they ‘trust’.

    These are, at least otherwise, intelligent, hard-working, thoughtful people who truly care about the country and solving problems. That is the truly scary part.

  • The_Ohioan


    My experience is the same with friends. I delight in answering their crazy emails with facts from Politifact or other sources, but of course the emails just keep coming. Latest one is about the movie “2016” (which happens to be playing locally, which is strange because they only play it in selected areas – maybe our local umpteenth time Republican congressman is worried?) Of course Daily Kos, quite liberal, has the opposite view of Politifact when they don’t like their fact checking, also.

  • dduck

    As an avowed miscreant, I will pass this along for your inspection. (Sorry, no Latin quips, today): “An old jest runs to the effect that there are three degrees of comparison among liars. There are liars, there are outrageous liars, and there are scientific experts. This has lately been adapted to throw dirt upon statistics. There are three degrees of comparison, it is said, in lying. There are lies, there are outrageous lies, and there are statistics.”

    Question, what is a half truth. Answer when 60% turns out to be only 30% and you said 60%. FALSE

  • SteveK

    As this thread has been talking about number of lies and not one specific lie, and dduck hasn’t actually commented on the several comments regarding the fact that republicans out lie democrats 7:1, one might think he is trying to segue away from the points that have made… But what the heck.

    Let’s take a look at EVERYTHING dducks Politifact link about Obama’s ‘60% Promises Kept’ says about Obama and promises.

    That said, here’s the current breakdown of promises on the Obameter:

    Promise Kept 151, or 30 percent
    Compromise 46, or 9 percent
    In the Works 189, or 37 percent

    Stalled 68, or 13 percent
    Promise Broken 52, or 10 percent
    Not Yet Rated 2, or 0.3 percent

    It appears that this article actually shows that:

    1. ‘Broken’ promises are only 10% of promises made.
    2. Obstructive Republicans have ‘Stalled’ 13%
    3. 76% of President Obama’s promises have either been “Kept”, “Compromised” in order to accomplish (i.e. Obamacare?) OR “In the Works.”

    Considering the amount of obstruction President Obama has faced from a hostile Republican Congress it seems OUR President has been (and is) doing a pretty good job after all.

    Politifact goes on to say:

    “So Bedingfield is accurate to say that Obama “has achieved or made progress on over 60 percent” of his promises, but Obama himself was wrong to say in his original statement that his agenda is “60 percent done.” In the Works, which in some cases may consist only of tiny steps toward accomplishment, is not “done.”

    Thanks for the link dduck.

  • DaGoat

    Silly argument. Of course the GOP lies a lot, and judging by the Politifact graphs they lie more than Democrats. But this is like the tallest midget contest. Both parties have a huge problem with consistently telling the truth. If people want to thump their chest because they belong to a party that lies less than the other party more power to them, but neither party is deserving of admiration or compliments. Until both parties start holding THEMSELVES to a higher standard we’ll continue to have blatant lying.

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