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Posted by on Apr 30, 2014 in At TMV | 8 comments

Even some conservatives think Sarah Palin is an extraordinary idiot (not least for her gleeful torture enthusiasm)

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So, yes, Sarah Palin, clamoring for attention, said that — if I may paraphrase — she’s a gleeful torture enthusiast. And, yes, her gleeful torture enthusiasm went over really well with the the NRA gunfest in Indianapolis. And, also, gleeful torture enthusiasm is alive and well on the right, and throughout the Republican Party, where human degradation thrives at its core and in its policies.

But there are exceptions.

Yes, some conservatives don’t much care for Palin (actually, quite a few of them), and some even had the nerve to come out ferociously against her gleeful torture enthusiasm. For example:

Rod Dreher, The American Conservative:

Man, the 12 minute speech Sarah Palin gave to the NRA convention is awful. It’s just witless, red-meat blathering, delivered in that nasal whine of hers that makes it sound like she’s chewing wads of tinfoil. For people who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like.

Palin and all those who cheered her sacrilegious jibe ought to be ashamed of themselves. For us Christians, baptism is the entry into new life. Palin invoked it to celebrate torture. Even if you don’t believe that waterboarding is torture, surely you agree that it should not be compared to baptism, and that such a comparison should be laughed at. What does it say about the character of a person that they could make that joking comparison, and that so many people would cheer for it. Nothing good — and nothing that does honor to the cause of Jesus Christ.

Well, that’s an overly religious view of the matter — torture is torture regardless of what Christianity has to say about it (and the long history of brutality in the name Christianity means it has next to no credibility). So how about this:

Patrick Brennan, National Review:

Torture — waterboarding being something reasonable people may consider to constitute it — is and should be a question of grave moral consequence for Christians, and is for any Catholic familiar with the Catechism. Palin wasn’t even just jokingly comparing a serious violation of human dignity into one of the most important transcendental recognitions of it – she was mounting an expansive defense of something near torture, on the grounds that our prisoners ”would obviously have information on plots,” and therefore ought to, apparently, be subjected to a horrible practice not as a morally necessary last resort but a habit of quotidian intimidation. There’s a word for that kind of practice: barbaric. The Greeks used to use it to describe the other guys.

Well, okay, that’s a Christian response as well, but, better. Yes, here’s a conservative calling torture “a serious violation of human dignity” and Palin a barbarian. And that’s awfully refreshing.

Sure, this is just a small minority view on the right. Generally, Republicans fall all over themselves espousing their pro-torture bona fides, pandering to the baser of the base instincts of the party base but also presenting such brutality as good in and of itself. But at least there’s a bit of debate among conservatives over torture and at least some conservatives express something other than the violent bloodlust that coursed its way through Palin and her audience.

Cross-posted from The Reaction

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  • Marsman

    I do not understand why a NRA audience would cheer this speech. Does not the NRA stand for using the guarantees of the Bill of Rights to protect individuals against the powers of a run-away central government? But torturing is ok? What good are my gun rights if it is ok for me to be tortured? I am a whimp; I’ll confess anything. How can I be protected if not through serious respect for human rights? I would not look forward to another Ruby Ridge or Waco as protection.
    When you applaud torture, you are cheering for the trampling of all human rights and dignities.

  • sheknows

    I see this as further proof of the basic mentality of gun lovers. I am not talking about the occasional hunter, I am talking about the AR 15, 3000 rounds of ammo, 4 different rifles and assorted handgun owners of America…you know, the NRA.

    Who else should she talk to? Imo, she is trying to get nominated for SOMETHING, anything. Her opening remarks about how ” It just feels good to be back on stage” and ” in the spotlight” more or less, pretty much tells the tale.

    As for the few objections raised by the Christian view, I find that absolutely hilarious.
    Unless we are failing to see all the article written by these” Christian” proponents regarding cutting food stamps for the poor, and disallowing Medicaid expansion in states where children cannot receive medical care, then blah blah phoney outrage. National Review draws the line at a baptism reference to torture, but not at starving children who get to eat once a day if they are lucky??!

    Republicans are full of it, period. Sarah Palin is the least of our problems. She is just another example of them.

  • Sicod

    People use religion to justify all sorts of actions. Stephen Colbert testified before Congress citing Matthew 25:40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'” in order to explain his support of migrant workers.

    I personally would not admonish people for saying that torture and Christianity were incompatible. I wish all Christians held that view.

    I certainly do.

  • Rip

    ummmm, no ex, but thanks for playing.

    Have a terrorist free day!

  • SteveK

    I’d be more than happy to offer my opinion on all of this but then again my comment would most probably be removed…

    Welcome to TMV exoduse_exodus 🙂

  • sheknows

    ” Have a terrorist free day! ” LOL..too funny Rip

  • exoduse_exodus,

    You said ” I want to know the truth” so I will try to help you out. I’m sure it is futile to try to explain to you why your view on how to defend the country against terrorism is wrong so I won’t bother. Instead I will make a quick attempt to point you towards the truth on one smaller matter. You said “The left fears Sarah because she is not politically correct.”

    Nobody on the left fears Sarah Palin. She is ridiculed and felt to be an ignorant fool, but nobody fears her. We might fear for the future of our country if she had a chance at the presidency, but everyone knows that the former half-term governor has no political future. She is content to make money speaking, and perhaps at doing another television show, but she knows as well as pretty much everyone else that the actual work of governing is far beyond her.

  • cjjack

    Can someone please explain which part of this country is “EV America” and why anybody should listen to them?

    Thanks in advance.

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