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Posted by on Oct 19, 2016 in 2016 Presidential Election | 18 comments

Debate night: live blog

The most shocking and ‘horrifying’ statement of the night was Trump’s refusal to say he would accept the results of the vote on November 8. ~ Kathy Gill

Live-blogging the Hillary Clinton/Donald Trump debate with Twitter:

On immigration

On Russia

“I don’t know Putin … I never met Putin” – Trump

Fact check: Inside Trump’s financial ties to Russia and his unusual flattery of Vladimir Putin

Trump tweeted Putin a personal invitation to attend the pageant, and a one-on-one meeting between the New York businessman and the Russian leader was scheduled for the day before the show.

On the economy

“We’re going to have more free trade” – Trump [but NAFTA is a bad idea]

“There’s only one of us on this stage who has actually shipped jobs to Mexico because that’s Donald. He has shipped jobs to 12 countries including Mexico… he has given jobs to Chinese steelworkers not American steelworkers.” Clinton

On sexual assault

“She’s the one and Obama who caused the violence [at my rallies]”… I didn’t even apologize to my wife… I didn’t know any of these women … they get their 10 minutes of fame … it was lies and fiction …” Trump

NOTE: Yes, his statement was this convoluted.

This is telling.

Trump interjected (voice over) while Clinton was talking:
https://twitter.com/lexi4prez/status/788932163165102080

On foundations

“I’d be happy to compare [our Foundation record] with the Trump Foundation which took money from other people and bought a six-foot portrait of Donald. I mean, who does that? – Clinton

“The money goes, 100%, 100% goes to different charities” – Trump

“You should have changed the law [regarding tax loopholes] when you were a United States senator if you don’t like it.” ~ Trump [who does not understand the role of the First Lady, one Senator, or the Secretary of State in making law]

On rigged election

“If you look at your voter rolls, [there] are millions of people that are registered to vote who should not be registered to vote … She shouldn’t be allowed to run. It’s — She’s guilty of a very, very serious crime. She should not be allowed to run, and just in that respect I say it’s rigged because she should never –” – Trump

On global hotspots

On the national debt

[The economists are wrong] because I’m going to create tremendous jobs” – Trump

Clinton is bringing up the 1987 ad that criticized Ronald Reagan – foreshadowing the rhetoric of this campaign.

[B]ack in 1987, he took out an $100,000 ad in the New York Times during the time when President Reagan was president and basically said exactly what he just said right now. That we were the laughing stock of the world. He was criticizing President Reagan” ~ Clinton

“I’m cutting taxes” – Trump [supply side economics has been debunked]

Fact-check (reprise from prior debates): Fact Check: Trump’s claim about Obamacare health insurance increases

“Your [Obamacare] health insurance is going up … 68 percent, 59 percent, 71 percent.” – Trump

What’s missing?

On a lighter note

Random tweets that made me smile

Post-debate: on abortion

I missed the start …

Transcript excerpt:

Wallace:
Well, let’s pick up on another issue which divides you, and the justices that, whoever ends up winning this election appoints, could have a dramatic effect there. That’s the issue of abortion. Mr. Trump, you’re pro-life. And I want to ask you specifically. Do you want the court, including the justices that you will name, to overturn Roe v. Wade, which includes, in fact, states a woman’s right to abortion.

Trump:
Well, if that would happen, because I am pro-life and I will be appointing pro-life judges, I would think that would go back to the individual states.

Wallace:
I’m asking you specifically would you-

Trump:
If they overturned it, it would go back to the states.

Wallace:
But what I’m asking you, do you want to see the court overturn it? You just said you want to see the court protect the second amendment, do you want to see the court overturn-

Trump:
If we put another two or perhaps three justices on, that is really what will happen. That will happen automatically in my opinion. Because I am putting pro-life justices on the court. I will say this. It will go back to the states and the states will then make a determination.

Post-debate: other notes

Post-debate commentary

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  • dduck

    Last debate: Yey

    • KATHY GILL, Technology Policy Analyst

      Oh. Yes. Counting the minutes until 8:01 pm pacific, November 8.

  • JSpencer

    Chris Wallace actually did a decent job. Trump was as vile and repugnant as expected. Hillary was presidential and proved she has thrice the intellect of her opponent. The tweet that summed it up best:

    “Wow, this 70 year-old man has a great impression of a 7 year-old boy.”

    Not fair to 7 year old boys of course. A message needs to be sent on the 8th and the message is the USA won’t tolerate dangerous fools like Trump. The message needs to come in the form of a crushing defeat.

    • KATHY GILL, Technology Policy Analyst

      Thanks. There were a few questions/statements that Chris Wallace made that caused me to raise my eyebrows. I’ll go grab them afterwards.

      Glad you liked that tweet!

      • KATHY GILL, Technology Policy Analyst

        Wallace:
        You have been quoted as saying that the fetus has no constitutional rights. You also voted against a ban on late term partial birth abortions.

        Journalists should be PRECISE. This term is a right-wing dog whistle.

      • KATHY GILL, Technology Policy Analyst

        Wallace:
        The question really is why are you right and your opponent wrong?

        Horse-race journalism.
        Black and white thinking.
        Just ugh.

      • KATHY GILL, Technology Policy Analyst

        Wallace:
        Secretary Clinton, I want to clear up your position on this issue because in a speech you gave to a Brazilian bank for which you were paid $225,000, we’ve learned from Wikileaks, that you said this. And I want to quote. “My dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders.”

        As I pointed out in a tweet, this is out-of-context, partial quote. Another right-wing dog whistle. Bah. His father must be turning over in his grave.

      • KATHY GILL, Technology Policy Analyst

        Wallace:
        You see more government spending, more entitlements, more tax credits, more tax penalties. Mr. Trump, you want to get government out with lower taxes and less regulation.

        Four attacks on Clinton.
        Two on Trump.
        Framing.
        “Entitlements” – another right wing dog whistle.

      • KATHY GILL, Technology Policy Analyst

        Wallace: Secretary Clinton, I want to pursue your plan because in many ways, it is similar to the Obama stimulus plan in 2009, which has led to the slowest GDP growth since 1949.

        NO acknowledgement of what Obama inherited in January 2009.
        Of the fact that the stimulus package was shaped by Congress.

        I call B.S., Chris Wallace.

        • Shannon Lee

          Well, he is Fox News….kinda have to expect loaded questions as that is how he makes his money. He is by far the best Fox News has to offer, but he is still Fox News.

          In general, I think he did a decent job and having a conservative moderator at the last debate might help more Republicans accept HC’s coming victory.

  • SteveK

    Breitbart Poll: Who Won the Third Presidential Debate?
    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/19/poll-won-third-presidential-debate/

    Trump – 39.51
    Clinton – 60.49

    Yes, I know I said I’d never link to Breitbart… So sue me. :o)

    • Bob Munck

      So sue me.

      That’s Trump’s job.

    • KATHY GILL, Technology Policy Analyst

      LOL.

      Democrats holding their noses and going to BB to vote?

  • dduck

    Robot: prepared
    Biped: not
    Mod: good

    • Bob Munck

      Robot: prepared

      Nice job of displaying your bias in just six words. I’m curious if you did similar name-calling about Romney.

      • dduck

        Romney: good
        Obama: bad

        • The Ohioan

          “Proceed”

      • dduck

        Curious?

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