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Posted by on Nov 30, 2009 in Politics | 26 comments

Conservative Wins In Honduras

Exit polls are showing that the winner of the Honduran Presidential election is conservative candidate Porfirio Lobo. The election comes five months after a coup removed former President Zelaya from power. The debate over whether Zelaya will return to power between now and the inauguration of Lobo is still pending.

Also still undecided is how many governments will accept the Lobo regime, as many consider the elections to be fradulent since they are being conducted by the coup leaders.

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  • spirasol

    I believe many Hondurans boycotted the election and many Latin American countries will not honor the result as it would send the message that this is the appropriate way to change governance when you don’t like who is in power. It seems unjust to many that the USA would accept such results, but likely consistent with our bad behavior in the region.

  • BluDog

    Zaleya was not “removed by a coup”. He was removed legally and in compliance with the Honduran Constitution by the Honduran Supreme court. Please closely examine the facts of this story.
    Honduras’ non-coup: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/10/opinion/oe-estrada10
    More on Honduras: http://3.ly/Ek3

    • dduck12

      Doubly agreed. It is hard to kill a untruth held by closed minds. However, I think we owe O some credit. The administration initially said it was a “coup”, but ultimately, they probably saw the truth and kind of backed out of that position by saying they would recognize the election results. It took some courage, I think, since virtually all of CA and SA is lined up against us now. Hopefully O will pay more attention to all below our southern border. Lots of problems down there including Ortega in Nicaruga and Uribe in Columbia trying to pull Bloomberg/Chavez moves.

  • It was indeed a coup, he was removed from the country by the military in his pajamas. There was no deportation order by the court or anyone. He could have been arrested and charged with a crime, or impeached, but that isn’t what happened. Even the people who removed him recognized that it was illegal, but expected to be pardoned. As they would be, by the coup leaders.

  • spirasol

    You mean legal in some labyrinthine litigious framework, right? If we cross off x’s, the y’s merge with the Z’s, and it all spells “facts.” Perhaps in a Fox world. C’mon, don’t pee on the heads of the people of Honduras…….they know what happened and are actively fighting for the life of their democracy. We should support them.

    • Maxwell’s Demon

      I’ll support the government of Lobo and the leaders in Honduras who obeyed the constitution of Honduras and took out Zelaya because he was attempting to destroy their democracy.

      • spirasol

        Well, let’s not let facts get in the way, and never mind the Honduran
        people. What you are saying is not true. What is true is that the
        corporate class got nervous that Zelaya was introducing legislation to
        raise pay and otherwise attempting to balance the existing inequities in
        that society. That, by the way, is exactly why Obama has been elected
        in this country and the well to do are crying out “socialist” in the
        streets, even though neither Obama or Zelaya are such.

        Here ‘s an interesting article that shows where the hearts of the coup
        leaders were: This firm U.S. reaction apparently “privately stunned” the
        coup leaders, who were sure “this would never have happened if the
        Republicans had still been in power,” according to the /New Yorker/’s
        William Finnegan
        .

        Indeed, the coup leaders, who along with their allies such as the Latin
        American Business Council have spent at least six hundred thousand
        dollars on Washington lobbyists and lawyers, count amongst their
        supporters several prominent congressional Republicans, including South
        Carolina Senator Jim DeMint.

        • Maxwell’s Demon

          So the fact where Zelaya ignored court orders and attempted illegally printing ballots so that he could become the next Hugo Chavez was just a side effect of “attempting to balance the existing inequities in
          that society.” Well I guess ignoring laws people fought for years in Honduras to create and attempting to become a dictator is okay if your political views are left-wing.

          • dduck12

            Yeah, and the same to Bloomberg.

          • spirasol

            Go ahead — rewrite history to your liking Mr. Right wing. Putting up
            a referendum for the people to vote about extending his presidency is
            about as dictatorial as one can get and frightening too to the ones who
            already own all the resources and make all the money. The rest of
            society be damned. That is exactly the reason we are going to hell in a
            hand basket. What do have invests down there…………is that your
            problem?

          • Maxwell’s Demon

            I’m not a doctor (though I am a Pre-Med student) but I strongly advise that you stop taking the hallucinogenic drugs you are currently on and crack open a history book. A couple of other non-dictators doing what you described: Hugo Chavez (though I’m getting the feeling you support his socialist, anti-American initiatives), Quadaffi, Lenin, and it goes on and on. It’s all good though in your world, they were just taking money from evil corporations and not randomly oppressing people. Oh I also don’t have money invested in Honduras, but I would advise investing in Dubai. Its perfect for a liberal like you, Dubai wastes a hell of a lot of cash and it looks like they will need a bailout.

          • spirasol

            You are wrong on every count and deluded, and more importantly the
            people of Honduras, Venezuela, and Brasil all support their
            democratically elected leaders. In Honduras, the people didn’t vote for
            the hand picked candidate of the coup plotters. It is a little like how
            Bush one the first election, with votes? NO, he was installed by the
            supreme court. So to be equally insulting I would have to place your
            head deep inside Bush’s coddled derrière beside the silver spoon he used
            to feed the public his line bull crap for 8 years.

          • dduck12

            I repeat.
            NO COUP. Are you calling our own government liars.
            http://freegovinfo.info/node/2796

          • spirasol

            YES……….and may I say regrettably say that it is the first time I
            have every caught my government in a lie…………..you know the first
            time cuts the deepest.

          • dduck12

            Is this the lie you are referring to?

            Executive Summary:
            The Supreme Court of Honduras has constitutional and statutory authority to hear cases against the President of the Republic and many other high officers of the State, to adjudicate and enforce judgments, and to request the assistance of the public forces to enforce its rulings. The Constitution no longer authorizes impeachment, but gives Congress the power to disapprove of the conduct of the President, to conduct special investigations on issues of national interest, and to interpret the Constitution. In the case against President Zelaya, the National Congress interpreted the power to disapprove of the conduct of the President to encompass the power to remove him from office, based on the results of a special, extensive investigation. The Constitution prohibits the expatriation of Honduran citizens.

            I agree, that the expatriation was illegal. Notice that impeachment is not an alternative. Should they have let him do a Chavez or a Bloomberg. And, if we are not consistent how can we say we are against a Ortega or a Uribe?

          • spirasol

            Well yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa……cutting through the
            legalese…………..INTERPRETED the power to disprove of conduct to
            encompass the power to remove from office. Sure and our own supreme
            court can legally step in and decide an election and it’s all legal
            beagel…………..the people of Honduras know better.

            Well , that about says it all, no? I really don’t understand all the
            Chavez fear, unless you own stock in all the corporate business in these
            countries that only benefit for the most part the upper classes or do
            we think we as Americans are owed slave labor from all these places?
            Why wouldn’t you be for the working poor in all these latin countries to
            finally get fair wages. all they are doing is shaking up their systems
            to be fairer. It really isn’t much different here……………do we
            want a winner take all capitalist system or do we want a government by
            and for the people? Why are all the common folk all riled up about bank
            bailouts that turn around and refuse to help Main
            street…………..same thing basically. Do you want failed trickle
            down government from elites and corporations or do you want the
            politicians to stop being in the pockets of corporations and lobbyists?

          • dduck12

            So, Morton’s choice, either the pockets of Cs & Ls, or the pockets of BIG Gov.

          • spirasol

            The bastardization of the good uses of government speaks to the
            Repub-lobs-Corps media manipulation success………..They would
            say–let the corps decide. That, I believe is actually what happens now
            to a large measure, except the corps have to go through the middleman,
            the brokers, the politicians. The corps have only one interest in mind,
            and very few people actually benefit, and please if “trickle down”
            hasn’t been proven to be a total myth…….So, given that choice, I
            would choose big gov with all its flaws. If you look at the best this
            country has had to offer it comes from government. When the country was
            more expressedly left (and I hardly mean communist, perhaps socialist
            with a small s), the little people were taken care of, better safety
            net, etc……..The inclusive mentality, the all in it together mentality.

            What does little or no government mean? Should we be tiny anarchist
            islands, with electrical fences around our communities neighborhoods,
            governing ourselves? To hell with everyone else, I got mine.

          • spirasol

            What does “doing a Chavez” mean. Like Hamas, Chavez, among other more
            leftist latin leaders were elected democratic style. Their initiatives
            are put forth democratic style. So I don’t rightly know what you mean.
            Do you mean when a country, even the USA, elects leaders that are left
            of center, we should NOT ALLOW them to govern, impeach them, bend the
            rules to our liking, etc. to get rid of them, assassinate them, — it’s
            fine to protest, have an anti-opinion, but here we are talking about
            active meddling in another country’s affairs, something the USA is
            soooooooooooo guilty of. But it undermines all out blather about
            democratic societies, freedom, it’s all BS, we just want them to become
            sattelite nations, do our bidding……….that’s old stuff, many latin
            American countries won’t do that anymore…………been there, done
            that, did not work for the majority of their citizens. It’s a kind of
            corporate freedom, you are free to consume, especially our products, and
            to behave in a manner we approve of…………..

          • dduck12

            I also am critical of any end around to extending terms. I, therefore, am very critical of Mayor Bloomberg (and did not vote for him but like his policies) and Uribe of Columbia, hardly lefties.

          • spirasol

            What the kind did was offer the people a chance to vote on an end
            around……………..the rich people got scared and did the end
            around, cutting off the voice of the people to assert their right based
            on bizarre twisting of the constitution to make sure no such thing could
            take place……………they didn’t mind shifting around their version
            of corporate sponsored right or left candidates but they would not
            tolerate any democratic initiatives that might result any loss of their
            expressed and very real power. They like, understandably so, the
            privilege of the power they yield, their easy access to the power
            channels. That is why what happened happened…………none of this
            Chavez business, that is a red herring.

          • dduck12

            Can’t read, I said BLOOMBERG and URIBE are not lefties.

  • dduck12

    NO COUP. Are you guys calling our own government liars.
    http://freegovinfo.info/node/2796

  • Leonidas

    Good for Honduras, the people there showed that they don’t want a socialist dictator running their nation. The Obama administration should back the newly elected government and try to make ammends for its huge diplomatic blunders in Honduras.

  • DLS

    I was waiting, but still, ella no veo. VIVA EL LOBO! (Donde esta’ Kathy?)

  • Maxwell’s Demon

    Well now I know you have lost your mind if you think everyone in Venezuela supports Chavez or you have been listening to his propaganda. And now you apparently are insinuating that the election results from yesterday just didn’t happen? Lobo won by about 17% and turnout was higher than in America normally. So either every single news source is lying and massive election fraud took place, well past the scope of Afghanistan and nobody noticed? And I would advise you to look at the facts on how Bush got elected instead of using Michael Moore for your information source.

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