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Posted by on May 15, 2009 in At TMV | 7 comments

Cheney, Pelosi Advance Truth Commission

Jazz Shaw bids Nancy Pelosi goodbye and (if I read between the lines correctly) good riddance.

Dan Balz loosely suggests Madame Speaker’s contorted outbursts might finally give us a truth commission, as Andrew Sullivan and others have recommended.

Of course, Cheney’s refusal to go quietly into the night has played a role, too — as Marc Ambinder notes in his list of “Ten Reasons Why A Torture Probe Is More Likely,” which Joe Gandelman linked to earlier today.

I’m torn, variously supporting and rejecting a commission, depending on the day of the week and the last pro or con commentary I’ve read. As recently as yesterday, I took the position Shaun Mullen took this morning. Today, I’m re-considering that position, thinking a truth commission may be — after all the hand-wringing and teeth-gnashing — the only way to put this ugly, ugly chapter behind us.

In the meantime, this much seems to be a given: Dick and Nancy will keep pounding their shoes on the table, regardless of the consequences.

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  • GeorgeSorwell

    I agree. The time has come. Investigate.

    Let the chips fall where they may.

  • Silhouette

    I still think Cheneyco is guilty of undue coercion. Imagine a bunch of simpering democrats agreeing to sully their images [and electability] by agreeing to a war they fully knew in advance that was illegal and immoral, and therefore totally unappealing to their constituents?

    Use logic when all else fails..

    My gut belief is that they were fed information that took advantage of their fears and the cultivated paranoia present in the [very convenient BTW] post-911 agenda of Cheneyco. They were bamboozled, misled and lied to. I think Pelosi is right, there needs to be an inquiry and a prosecution of the CIA and it’s captains who were in charge of deceiving Congress on so many levels, subtle and otherwise.

    Remember: use logic. Who wanted to invade Iraq and why [think oil]? Who wanted to avoid war at all costs [think liberals]. Now, postulate who was doing the conniving, the lying and the deceiving and put THEM in jail.. Give everyone else immunity. It’s standard prosecutory protocol 101.. Don’t believe me? Just ask your local gang-unit division of your district attorney’s office. They’ll tell you how to weed out the kingpins.

    It’s child’s play. Why obfuscate it?

  • shannonlee

    You’d have to be yet another serious kool aid drinker to believe that Pelosi didn’t know what was going on. I am not sure why people on the far-right and far-left like to hang out on a moderate views website.

    I find it shocking that anyone can defend either Cheney or Pelosi. They are both radicals.

  • Silhouette

    Nice try shannonlee.

    People with the ability to deduce logically aren’t extremists. It just doesn’t make sense at all that Pelosi et al in Congress would jump on board without first being coerced via fear or lies, deception and slight of hand. Warmongering just wasn’t in their political makeup; their very paychecks depend on voters who are wholly opposed to it. However it was in Bush and Cheney’s makeup in spades. Their very paychecks depend on voters [and other more lucrative supporters] who are in favor of warmongering for profits..

    Now, moderately…DO THE MATH…

  • wevotedforyou

    Very dissapointing that our elected officials, especially within the Democratic Party, has now taken such a different approach in the discussions of Torture and the previous administrations corruption and illegal activities.

    I am glad to see Cheney (and Pelosi for that matter) in the media (especially places other than foxnews) and is helping keeping the torture debate front and center.

    We need to continue to keep the pressure on the President and Congress to do as we voted for. Change.

  • DdW

    “Revelations that KSM was questioned about possible al Qaeda ties to Iraq at roughly the same time that he was undergoing waterboarding provides some key insight into the purpose of the CIA interrogations. A recently de-classified Senate Armed Services Committee report quoted army psychologist Maj. Paul Burney as saying that a large part of his time on a Behavioral Science Consultation Team was “focused on trying to establish a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.” McClatchy newspapers, meanwhile, published an article last month citing a former intelligence official acknowledging that the Bush administration had pressured interrogators to use harsh techniques to produce evidence connecting the terrorist organization and Iraq’s regime.”

    The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off

  • kritt11

    I think this is too important for us to gloss over. A truth commission will enable us to move past this shameful episode in our history.

    I also think that we need to take into account the context in which some of these decisions were made. If there was a possibility of an imminent attack, then there was a lot of pressure on those whose duty it is to keep us safe. The shameful part is that a lot of the warning signals were ignored until after 9/11– and then we overreacted as a result of that attack.

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