Abbas wins UN ‘birth certificate’ for Palestine state (via AFP)

The UN General Assembly on Thursday voted overwhelmingly to recognize Palestine as a non-member state, triggering scenes of joy on the streets of the Israeli-occupied West Bank. In a major defeat for the United States and Israel, Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas won what he called a “birth certificate…

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  1. sheknows November 29, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    I say good. It’s a step forward for eventual peace with Isreal. The rest of the world has given Palestine a token of legitimacy, something which they need for leverage to open talks.
    When both feet are stuck in a quagmire, it’s nice to have someone at least toss you a rope.

  2. ShannonLeee November 30, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Hard not blame them… The peace process with the US and Israel has brought them nothing. They are now looking to the international community to give them legitimacy. The question is…what does this change in Palestine? Will we cease to see rockets launched out of their territories? Will they behave like a member of the UN? (well, like a small member. We really dont want them acting like a permanent member of the UN security council. those countries do whatever they want)

  3. steadystate November 30, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Shannon, good points. It’s hard to say what will come of this. My best hope is that this will introduce some accountability for Palestine, as they seek permanent recognition by the UN. My other hope is that if militants within Palestine see this as legitimacy to THEIR causes (which might intermingle with statehood but have their own agendas) and start to act out, that there will be enough self-determinant force in Palestine seeking recognition from the UN to root out those militants. Finally, if Palestine does not act according to UN desires, then hopefully the UN will reprimand and kick them to the curb if absolutely necessary. It’s all mostly symbolic, but I’m hoping it’s a move in the right direction. (Self-check: usage of “hope” and “hope”-derivatives = 4, not including those within the self-check here)

  4. dduck November 30, 2012 at 9:59 am

    I hope for the best outcome for both parties.

  5. Barky November 30, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    A two-state solution is the only solution. Let’s get there, step by step.

    I would go so far as to say a peace treaty is not only impossible but also unnecessary. Break them apart, install a fortified border between them, and let them stew on their collective sides. Call it a hostile divorce.

  6. dduck November 30, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Barky, An old guy from that region once said: cut the baby in half and it was not a plausible solution.
    BTW: would you use the same fence builder that they use on our Mexico border? :-)

  7. Barky December 1, 2012 at 12:25 am

    DD, it’s not even close to being a metaphorical baby. The Palestinians had their land stolen out from under them and now live under apartheid conditions. This is another baseless border snafu drawn by the British Empire. They are two cultures, two peoples, and should be two states.

    As far as security, Israel knows how to do it right.

  8. dduck December 1, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Barky, I agree with you on the historical basis for the situation, I only dispute a heavy handed solution, if you will a careful surgical separation of Siamese twins.
    And the walls part may not work.