Conservative Republican Party Descent Continues

It seems like every day 21st century conservatives are saying or doing something that is sure to chase away moderates, independent voters and even 20th century Republican conservatives. And here we see the descent go down a few more feet.

If this is what’s meant by party rebranding, it may be a hard sell beyond talk show hosts, conservative bloggers and Tea Party members.

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  1. These people seem to have no grasp of history nor even a grasp of worthwhile standards. If Joe McCarthy is one of thier misunderstood heroes, then who else? I would NOT want to live in a world of their making.

  2. Have they no shame? Lol.

  3. Joe McCarthy, a fitting icon for the 21st century GOP. The family resemblance is so striking.

  4. The reason Boehner is not going to put forth any reasonable fiscal legislation to avert this “cliff” is that (I wish I could find the link again) many House Republicans want this cut to happen because it will be a means in their brains that this is a step to making the federal government smaller.

    So many of them have never known or been around poverty or the lower classes in society. I think their actions against the lesser and powerless in our society just reinforces that notion too. Don’t get me started on what I believe is their view of the military.

  5. brc said: “So many of them have never known or been around poverty or the lower classes in society.” Does that just apply to Reps?

  6. In many ways it does, but my main point was that with Republicans my sense is that they want to punish the poor for being poor. Since you’re atheist, you may not know about the “prosperity Gospel” evangelical movement. It basis of this movement is that if you’re a good Christian and work hard, God will reward you with earthly riches as well as heavenly riches. If you’re poor, then you must not be a hard worker and not be a good Christian, therefore God is punishing you. It’s a really sick and twisted interpretation of the Gospel (please, no “told you so’s” ;)). Anyway, I think this bleeds over into many conservative Republican ideals as is demonstrated by the oft mentioned “47%” remark. I know there are still decent Republicans pols out there who are can rise above stuff like this, but until they have better support from more level-headed Republican voters the more extreme minority within the party is going to call the shots.

    I know most of the Democrats came from money too. RIght now, to be one you almost have to be born with sizable wealth. However, even though Democrats may not always have the best ideas or execution of legislation, they appear many times to have their heart in the right place with things like greater access to education, federal student loan money, healthcare, etc. I want back the conservatism of Nixon and Eisenhower. Hell, even Reagan had his moments that I could rally behind. But, so far all I see out of today’s Republicans is just a very mean, vindictive, and callous party who sneer at anyone who makes less than $50k a year. If I’m wrong (and I hope I am) in this, please correct me.

  7. brc, if there is one thing I have learned, it is that it is very hard,or impossible, to “correct” an impression, be it positive or negative.

  8. Proof that life exists beyond earth, in a separate universe with it’s own set of facts.

  9. brc, if there is one thing I have learned, it is that it is very hard,or impossible, to “correct” an impression, be it positive or negative.

    @dduck, I’m always willing to listen to another perspective provided there’s some basis to the argument, not that conspiracy BS. Most of my family are die-hard conservatives so I don’t mind being proven wrong as I think it broadens my knowledge and horizons. If I wasn’t willing to look at other perspectives, there’s a lot in my life that I wouldn’t have accomplished. :) So, please fire away. Even if I don’t agree with it, I will not attack you (though I might ask some questions) and I will feel better about getting another perspective from the other side of the political divide.

  10. I repeat: brc, if there is one thing I have learned, it is that it is very hard,or impossible, to “correct” an impression, be it positive or negative.

  11. Ok, I’m sorry you feel that way. I’ll be more careful to engage you in future posts. Thank you for your time.

  12. Nothing personal, I just tend to not like broad generalizations, like all Dems are liberal and want to have us all pay for poorer folks, or POB is a socialist and wants to the government to control us all from birth to death. Both are incorrect impressions held by many Reps, and conversely Dems have their sweeping generalizations too. Both sides slip them into comments on blogs and IMO, it dilutes conversations and understanding the other side. Unfortunately, there probably aren’t too many blogs with a 50/50 political tilt so more of these type generalizations will come from the bigger of the two gangs. It is just natural when you have your audience already predisposed to one side or the other. Here on TMV, there is a tilt to liberal views so that’s what dominates the conversation here. Fortunately, though, most of the commenters are pretty savvy,intelligent and civil.

  13. Here on TMV, there is a tilt to liberal views so that’s what dominates the conversation here.

    My own reading would be that there is a more reality based view here, which is a moderate view, not a liberal view. Needless to say, I’m not a believer of the “both sides do it” meme for the simple reason it tends to reject the notion that matters of degree matter. (speaking of not liking “broad generalizations”).

  14. We disagree.

  15. Nothing personal, I just tend to not like broad generalizations, like all Dems are liberal and want to have us all pay for poorer folks, or POB is a socialist and wants to the government to control us all from birth to death.

    I also hate broad, sweeping generalizations and tried to avoid them in my second post. So, I apologize if I did indeed do that. While I did make I think a more broad foundational remark about the current Republican Party and it’s relationship with the “Prosperity Gospel” movement. I also said that there are Republicans out there that do not feel that way, they have just seem to have been silenced right now due to a vocal minority.

    I guess my disdain overall for the Republican party right now is (based solely on their legislative actions) is how much they try to financially attack the lower classes of our society while seemingly trying to be a political shield for the upper classes (and I’m in one of the upper brackets). I get that they don’t like government social programs or taxes (hell, who does like taxes?) Many (but definitely NOT most) want to repeal the Voting Rights Act when we just witnessed in the last election how polling centers in predominantly minority communities were given less voting machines. I want them to have a bigger tent, to be a stronger party because God knows the Democrats, given the chance, will make some colossal blunders and no one will be there to take over and make a course correction. I know you’re not going to try and dissuade me (as you’ve stated) from this belief, but as someone whose wife is a physician in a medically underserved community (and I will someday as well), we see first-hand when government resources are cut more when they weren’t that great to begin with. It’s very frustrating to take care of a part of society that many people overlook and you’ve got pols who want to make it even harder.

    The reason I left the Democratic party awhile ago is also because of some of their social stances. For example, let me just put it out there and say I’m a liberal pro-lifer (anti-abortion in most cases, but also anti-death penalty). When the Democratic platform let NARAL pen the section on women’s reproductive rights, I thought “I’m outta here.” It’s too dangerous when you let outside organizations write any part of your platform (I’m sure Republicans do it too). Plus, this whole idea that the basis of women’s equality is based on reproductive (or abortion) rights marginalizes some women and really over-shadows other areas of this movement where more could benefit. That’s probably an over-generalization, but it was born from listening to the emphasis placed on abortion rights by a vocal minority within the Democratic Party. I think my wife and daughters deserve other areas of interest get just as much attention like “equal pay” or the ERA passed. There are a few other reasons, but I’ll spare you.

    It’s tough to keep from being too broad while also not getting too detailed about a group. As I have been on the other end during recent discussions about Catholics and the Pope. I certainly try to avoid doing so by making additional qualifying exceptions when I do talk about a group as a whole. Again, sometimes I still fail even when I try hard not to. It sounds like this is one of those times that my ignorance may have spoken up a little too forcefully. Sorry.

  16. So let me see if I’ve got this straight…

    The leading edge in the attempt to re-brand the GOP as relevant to the next generation of voters is an effort to salvage the reputation of a Republican Senator who died before most of their parents were even born?

    And those who seek to burnish his legacy are trying to claim he was right about a threat which ceased to exist before today’s younger voters were even born?

    Seriously?

    I mean, I remember growing up under the threat of “international communism,” but ‘ole Joe McCarthy was pushing up daisies before even I was born. My daughter, who turned 24 today (happy birthday!) has no memory of McCarthy or even the Soviet Union for that matter. The Berlin Wall fell when she was a toddler.

    The “Red Scare” has been over for a generation. Why is it that the GOP figures their best way to reach out to young voters is to try and scare them with a threat that faded out about the same time as the career of Vanilla Ice?

  17. So dd, no comment on JG’s post specifically? I’m curious about your reaction to the Joe McCarthy adoration and just how reality based you think it is or isn’t.

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