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  • Andrew

    In other words, Bush has acted like a dick for six years, but we’re only going to call politicians on it when they’re Democrats.

    How thoughtful.

  • I’m not sure I understand what that blog post is getting at – aside from the incident with Bush where Webb didn’t go through the receiving line and then had a testy exchange about his son, what fouls has Webb committed thus far? Does anyone have links to any of the supposedly self-righteous op-eds?

  • CaseyL

    How predictable.

  • The tone was set in DC well before Webb arrived.

    Bush has polarized things to the extreme — and so now it’s up to Dems to prompt a kiss and make-up fest?

    I guess that goes along the lines of Bush screwed up Iraq so bad, now the Dems better fix it.

  • I agree, Bush has been acting like a dick for so long, that being nice to him now would send the wrong message. Namely, “If you treat liberals like shit long enough, eventually they will apologize and try and make up.”

  • Rudi

    Why the effort to attack Webb before he even has his seat in the Senate. From the beginning of his capaign for the Senate seat he has come out as a maverick. Webb is a true Moderate. Why does the Wingnuts hate him and the Moonbat think he is the second coming of FDR. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Beware the old school Liberal Democrats, you may not like the Webb honesty.

  • Davebo

    Why the effort to attack Webb before he even has his seat in the Senate

    Is this at all suprising to you? This is MVG we are talking about.

  • Matt

    Oh please…this is the stupidest tripe I’ve ever heard. Voters had a third-party option if they didn’t like Allen. So saying that voters voted for Webb because they didn’t like Allen, is an extremely inept statement. Also, I don’t give one damn if Webb’s margin was small, he won, he can do any goddamn thing he wants (except criminal things) and say anything he wants, and the voters in 2012 can decide. I think there are many people who think Bush is a calculating prick, and said what he said to Webb just to push Webb’s buttons. So crybaby Republicans, enjoy the next six years of Jim Webb, he’s not gonna take your shit, he’s no Joe Biden or Joe Leiberman, get over it.

  • Eric

    What is with you people? Does everything have to hinge on partisan lines?

  • capelza

    Bush has polarized things to the extreme — and so now it’s up to Dems to prompt a kiss and make-up fest?

    Thank you! In all the yearts I have been around (sadly 50 of them) I have never seen so much polarisation (well except maybe under Nixon…). Good isn’t Webb’s job to make nice with a guy who has (along with his cronies) called me a traitorous, terrorist loving LIEBRAL.

    I have been waiting for a Dem who would actually stand up to the imperious jerk for years. And he did it while still calling him “Mr. President”.

    Speaking of small margins, what was Bush’s again..especially in 2000? Did that stop him? No.

  • Kim Ritter

    I think if this had happened with any president except Bush, I’d be condemning Webb for his lack of social grace. But so many have fawned over him while he bungled away our surplus and our reputation in the world, that its almost refreshing to see someone in Washington who isn’t willing to do that. Webb is the Dems maverick-and people will either like him or hate him. But at least he’s not some sycophant like George Allen. The state of Virginia could not have picked a more different successor in views and temperment.

  • Edo

    Ryan H,

    Does anyone have links to any of the supposedly self-righteous op-eds?

    Webb penned an Op-Ed recently that spoke about the rising income/wealth disparity in America. I believe it was published in the Wall Street Journal soon after he won election. The GOP predictably is crying “class warfare”. I apologize in advance for not providing a link. If I can find one, I’ll be sure to add it.

  • Edo

    Ryan H,

    here is the link to the article:
    Class Struggle

  • Eric

    Jim Webb, who ousted Senator George Allen of Virginia, is perhaps the splashiest millionaire of the bunch. After serving in the Reagan Pentagon, he penned six best-selling novels as well as the script for the film Rules of Engagement starring Samuel L. Jackson and Tommy Lee Jones.

    Webb reported an estimated $2.3 million to $6.9 million in stocks and bonds. He also cited a $150,000 contract with Warner Brothers for an ongoing film project, with a $1 million option for screenwriting and $250,000 to produce the film.


    I wouldn’t do it for a million bucks!

    On the other hand, I might do it for eleven million bucks, in which case I would be worth about as much as the average Democratic Senator…

    …., although if I were worth only about $3 million I could be an average Republican


    If you were a cynic you could say that the Dems just don’t like the compition. Considering everything that article is a joke. We have one rich guy complaining that to many people are getting rich. For all the best reasons tho I’m sure.

  • Elrod

    Could the author of the piece provide some substance? What the hell is he complaining about? Where is this arrogance? George Will says it, so it’s true?

  • CaseyL

    Y’know, it’s not like Webb told Bush to go f*ck himself.

    He didn’t throw Bush to the floor and stomp him, or get private security guards dressed like Secret Service to arrest him.

    He didn’t even call Bush names.

    He said his kid wants to come home. And then, when Bush got all bent out of shape – because Webb wasn’t sufficiently awe-struck that The Decider deigned to speak to him, and refused to follow the obsequious script The Decider considers his divine right – Webb simply reiterated that he’d said what he meant to say.

    And we’re supposed to clutch our pearls in horror at Webb’s rudeness?

    Webb wasn’t rude. He said what he wanted to say – which in itself was hardly rude – and refused to back down.

    How is this rude? I mean, I know Bush thinks he’s some kind of monarch and should be treated like one, but why should anyone else buy into that bullshit, and go on like Webb’s refusal to bow and scrape amounts to some hideous example of lese majeste?

  • Holly in Cincinnati

    Unfortunately, Webb is basically a boor. The Senate and the People of Virginia will learn to live with him.

  • Charles Jordan

    I was going to say something but everyone has already done a good job of slapping down this article criticizing Webb. Frankly I’m disappointed TMV thought it deserves attention. Webb is a breath of fresh air. What the senate needs. He’s the straight talker McCain claims to be.

    I recommend reading the Nightengale’s Song if you want to learn more about him.

  • Rudi

    Atleast Webb can write books. We have the Decider who has trouble reading “My pet goat”. Webb seems to have earned his money, yet his son still joins the Marines and goes to Iraq. W’s twins and nephews fight the good fight on gossip pages.

  • Andrew

    Unfortunately, Webb is basically a boor. The Senate and the People of Virginia will learn to live with him.

    Your condescension is dripping thicker than maple syrup.

    Do you have any legitimate criticism of Webb or does his immoderate tone disgust you too much?

  • Andrew

    Eric, it’s rich that you’re criticizing a self-made war hero millionaire for his wealth (and acting like an apologist for fake-cowboy daddy’s boy George Allen).

  • CaseyL

    As the Bush Twins party drunkenly everywhere they go…

    “Jim Webb’s son’s vehicle was next to another military vehicle that was attacked which resulted in the death of 3 marines a few weeks ago in Iraq.”

    And you call him a boor, Holly? A boor?

    Aren’t you still a cheerleader for this war?

    You’re a real piece of work, kiddo.

  • Charles Jordan

    Calling him a boor is a silly cheap shot. he’s in DC to be a senator NOT a TV personality. Maybe you’re getting mixed up. But since so many of today’s senators carry on like TV stars it’s easy to get confused

  • Kim Ritter

    I’d say from that report on his son’s unit that Webb has pretty good reason to be upset with the president. I thought most moderates liked Independents. He seems at least as independent-minded as Lieberman, who saw fit to criticize members of his own party for aiding and abetting the enemy by their refusal to support the war.

  • Pyst

    Great job of scraping around the right wing blogs for another slam peice Michael.

    Mmmm can ya’ll taste the non-moderate slant? MvdG is getting to the point where it’s like asking Tony Snow to write for TMV LOL.

  • Uncle Joe McCarthy

    oh puleeze….sounds like sour grapes to me

  • Sarum

    Wow, thank you all, it’s about time MGV and Holly were BS’d

  • Sarum, haven’t you been banned?

    And to everyone: unlike some of you I am not ‘partisan’, which means that I believe that people of both parties can be severely criticized.

  • Eric

    Andrew, I never said squat about Allen. How about replying to the posts I actually make? For the record I don’t care how a rich guy makes his money when he starts to bitch about how people are to rich. When he gives away his cash I’ll listen, till then he’s a ………… well nuff said.

  • Charles Jordan

    Michael I agree its okay for someone to be criticized; yourself I included–but I could be wrong…ONe thing I have noticed is having control over a website means never having to say you were incorrect.

    I really get worked up when bloggers (who claim to be outside and above ‘main stream media’) don’t realize when they are getting sucked into a story being blown up by the very main stream media they cliam to operate outside and above.

    Webb responded just like a pal of mine years ago who cussed out our boss (and got fired on the spot). Our supervisor asked how his son was. My pals son was drafted and was on his way to Vietnam. OUr boss son was in college. Not college material but in college anyway. So Webb’s response didn’t surprise me not one bit.

    Don’t get in people’s face and F with their children. Bush had it coming to him.

  • Charles Jordan

    Exactly how ‘perfect’ do people have to be before they are allowed to talk about class in this country? I listen to Rush sometimes and he claims class division don’t exists. That mans lifestyle is a living lesson about life in the upper class (the one he claims don’t exist, right?

    Believe me I know. I get paid to clean up behind them. Class efffects me more than race. Something about pushing a broom for a living makes you invisible.

  • Charles Jordan

    Oh, and ONE other thing.

    It was proved long long time ago that nobody better say jack about the Bush girls because if MR and Ms Bush find out about it there will be HELL to pay…

    Mike VanDerG. You been straight busted. Because we all know how the Bush’s are about them two girls!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Andrew

    The Navy Cross is presented to James H. Webb, Jr., First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, for extraordinary heroism while serving as a Platoon Commander with Company D, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, First Marine Division (Reinforced), Fleet Marine Force, in connection with combat operations against the enemy in the Republic of Vietnam. On 10 July 1969, while participating in a company-sized search and destroy operation deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb’s platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex which appeared to be unoccupied. Deploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him and threw a grenade which detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel. Despite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search which yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data. Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker. By his courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty, First Lieutenant Webb upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and of the United States Naval Service.

    Webb can be as god damned “boorish” as he wants.

  • Blue Neponset

    You certainly don’t have to like Jim Webb but comparing him to George Bush before Webb is even sworn in is pretty weak. Also, Senator-elect Webb has six years to win over the VA voters who chose not to vote for him. Calling him a divider because he didn’t beat an incumbant Senator by a large margin is just plain silly. Incumbant Senators don’t lose too often, and when they do it is more often than not by a very small one(see Webb/Allen, Tester/Burns, etc.).

    And to everyone: unlike some of you I am not ‘partisan’, which means that I believe that people of both parties can be severely criticized.

    Well I am a partisan and I believe both parties can be severly criticized too. I also know many partisans on the other side who think the same thing. What is your point? There are all kinds of degrees of partisanship, you make a mistake by putting us into such black or white categories.

    I am certainly not a fair judge of your unpartisanship but the article you link to is nothing more than a hit piece. Maybe you linked to it to create some controversy so comments would increase but if you think this is a legitimate critisism of Jim Webb then you are wrong.

  • Mikef

    “So go ahead, Jimmy boy and enjoy what you think is your day. Go ahead and write your ridiculously flawed op-eds.”

    That sentence is the only hint of a real criticism of Webb in the article you link to. Steve’s blog post is set up as a reaction to Webb’s comment to Bush, but that hardly rose to the level of a divisive Senator who thinks he’s “God’s gift to the Senate”. Its a description of two men who can’t stand one another.

    The Wall Street Journal op-ed defines Webb as a populist who believes there’s a class war in which the government works for the interests of big business at the expense of the middle class. This is in stark contrast to the pundits, who’ve been telling us that Webb’s victory is proof that the Democrats won by becoming more conservative and shedding their progressive ideology.

  • Eric

    Webb can be as god damned “boorish” as he wants

    Great I really don’t care. That is not the same as saying he should be above critisism for his boorishness is it? Not that it’s a term I used or even thought about one way or the other. Allen may of been an ass but that doesn’t make his replacement automaticly a perfect human being.

  • ES

    Does it strike anyone else that this full-court press by the right-side of the blogosphere is no different than what they had done to Senator John “I made a stupid joke” Kerry? Mock outrage on the lack of civility towards the POTUS is all they can hang their hat on? Now that shows a lack of class.

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