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  • Dave Hemmann

    actually
    chimps “tribes” have been shown to go to war, murder innocent babies both within and without of their groups, and plan systematic ambushes. i’m not saying they’re our equal in violence or savagery, but they do have some the the same characteristics.

  • EEllis

    Cats kill all the time for “sport”

  • moondog2000

    Killer whales have been known to torture baby seals. Mankind is part of nature. Everything we do is part of our nature. The one thing that differentiates us from our fellow creatures is the concept right or wrong. Hunting animals is part of our nature. I wonder if animals experience the enjoyment of using the abilities that evolution has given them. Most hunter must enjoy the act off hunting. There are easier ways to get meat. The hunter probably understands the true cost of meat more than most people. He probably feels more connected to the web of life than most of us. True hunters do not kill for sport.

  • KATHY KATTENBURG

    Well, perhaps one has to consider the concept of choice (which in this context would be related to the concept of right and wrong) when thinking about this quote. I don’t know about chimps or killer whales, but in the example eellis gave, when a cat kills for sport, the cat is acting out of instinct. There is no meaningful choice involved. A cat *cannot* see a mouse and not feel compelled to hunt and (sometimes) kill it.

    Kathy

  • DLS

    Kathy, cats often play with, or torture their prey.

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    Dave Hemmann wrote:

    [C]himps[‘] “tribes” have been shown to go to war, murder innocent babies both within and without of their groups, and plan systematic ambushes

    [chuckle]

    http://books.google.com/books?id=fP0c4b3jbMYC&lpg=PA239&ots=S5nG70BksD&dq=%22demonic%20males%22&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Extra for Experts: What is a fundamental military unit (the smallest group) or a sports team? ANSWER: It’s a raiding (war) party. Anthropology 101!

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