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Posted by on Sep 18, 2007 in Media, Politics | 30 comments

Cops Who Tasered Florida Student On Leave In Incident That Sparked Political Firestorm (UPDATED)

Yet another chapter in the low tolerance level some in 21st century America have for strongly expressed, loudmouth views (which are acceptable if expressed on radio and cable talk shows)….in yet another incident involving law enforcement/security types whose fingers get awfully itchy when clutching an instrument of power called a taser.

Here it is, the video that has sparked a firestorm of international controversy, kept the news media, YouTube website and bloggers on all sides quite busy:

The latest from CNN — which has one of the less politically tinged news accounts — notes that the cops involved are now on leave (good thing they weren’t carrying rubber pellet bullets — or real guns) and that some aspects of the tasered student are now raising some eyebrows:

Two University of Florida police officers were placed on leave with pay after using an electronic stun gun to subdue a student who was questioning Sen. John Kerry at a campus forum, the school’s president said Tuesday.

But the student’s behavior and past activities are prompting questions about whether the incident was part of a stunt.

The Florida Division of Law Enforcement will investigate Monday’s arrest of Andrew Meyer, said University of Florida President J. Bernard Machen. Machen called the incident “regretful for us.”

“The thing that I regret is that civil dialogue and civil discourse did not happen,” Machen said. “That’s fundamental to a university campus. Why it didn’t happen is what we’re trying to sort out.”

During Monday’s forum, Meyer came to the microphone to question the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee from Massachusetts.

“You will take my question because I have been listening to your crap for two hours,” Meyer told Kerry, according to the police report of the incident.

He then turned to a woman and said “Are you taping this? Do you have this? You ready?” the report said.

Clarissa Jessup, who contributed I-Report video of the incident to CNN, said Meyer gave her his camera and asked her to shoot video of him posing his questions to Kerry.

But stunt or no stunt, it’s imagery that matters.

A provocation doesn’t become one unless someone is (dumb enough to be) provoked.

If Meyer was indeed trying to get maximum attention, the police sure helped him…and then some.

Images of people trying to speak (even if they make it clear they intend to go way beyond their allotted time) and bluntly talking to candidates (even if talking from far-left or far-right perspectives) and then being dragged off by a group of police using a classic “swarm” technique to overpower him and then taser him do two things: make a) the authorities look like they’re clamping down on speech and dissent and b) create sympathy for the person being swarmed and tasered.

Political Radar notes that Senator John Kerry has expressed shock — and puts it into perspective as an incident indicative of the new YouTube era where images and impressions move with lightning speed…capable of giving authorities (and slow-to-react politicos) black eyes that could prove more painful than taser jolts:

ABC News’ Rick Klein Reports: Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday condemned the arrest of a University of Florida student at one of his speeches, saying that he was engaged in a “good healthy discussion” with 21-year-old Andrew Meyer when he was Tasered and taken into custody.

“In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way,” Kerry said in a statement. “I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of responding when he was taken into custody.”

“I was not aware that a taser was used until after I left the building,” he continued. “I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted.”

And the question does arise: if Kerry truly was not upset — and if his handlers didn’t give a signal to police to take the guy away — then why did the police not let Kerry finish engaging him? MORE:

For politicians, hecklers come with the territory. But the arrest and detention of Meyer at Kerry speech on Monday stood out in at least two respects: Police acted aggressively in trying to silence Meyer, and the entire incident was captured on video — making it an immediate Internet and TV sensation.

Which underscores the ugliness: images (provoked or set up or otherwise) of police swarming on a young voter to shut him up and then tasering him when they clearly have him outnumbered are not exactly the kinds of images the United States should be exporting to countries that it hopes will follow the American role of democracy.

And — whether this incident as the news media does follow-up stories will prove to be a provocation or not — the capability to get something captured on YouTube and broadcast across the Internet does mean there could be in the future some potential for abuse.

After all, in an age when MTV’s Jackass shows non-political jackasses staging physical punishment to get viewership, we may be in an age where sometime in the future some political right and left jackasses could try to do the same. What’s a little pain and controversy when it makes a political point for “the team”?

This does not seem to be the case here…but the potential is there.

And the other issue that comes up is:

This is NOT the first time police have been YouTubed tasering students. Wouldn’t you think they would have learned by now? Or do some of these police think a computer is a 1988 black and white Mac and that YouTube refers to a new brand of toothpaste or is someone talking about “50 Cent” using equally bad grammar?

Writes Salon’s Farhad Manjoo:

By now you’ve likely seen the above video of University of Florida cops subduing 21-year-old Andrew Meyer with a Taser after the student asked Sen. John Kerry a few niggling questions (War Room has Kerry’s response). Astute followers of YouTube know this wasn’t the first time campus cops have been captured getting Taser-happy. Below, I’ve compiled previous clips of such incidents.

Don’t university cops have YouTube, too? These people work in the most visible environments in the world, where every witness has both a cellphone cam and a broadband connection and knows how to use them. You’d suppose that after just one of these well-publicized incidents, every campus P.D. in the nation would decide that whatever advantage there might be in using the Taser, the inevitable fallout is too much.

I called up the University of Florida Police Department to ask about its Taser policies; I’m waiting for a callback.

In the aftermath of the Taser incident at UCLA last fall — when a student named Mostafa Tabatabainejad was stunned multiple times after he refused to show his I.D. card at a campus library — the university asked the independent Police Assessment Resource Center to investigate.

PARC concluded: “While the student should have simply obeyed the order to produce the card, and by not doing so brought trouble upon himself, the police response was substantially out of proportion to the provocation. There were many ways in which the UCLAPD officers involved could have handled this incident competently, professionally, and with minimal force.”

Read his entire post — which contains…of course…YouTubes of itchy fingered 30-ish, 40-ish authorities tasering young college students.

There is TONS of reaction on weblogs (a lot of it written from political positions since nearly everything these days MUST have a partisan or liberal/conservative spin on it). There are too many to quote here — so if you want to read them GO HERE.

The police report accuses Meyer of grandstanding for the cameras:

Police have released the incident report detailing the Tasering of a University of Florida student during a campus forum with Sen. John Kerry Monday, and the officer who actually Tasered Andrew Meyer wrote in the report that Meyer later told police, “You didn’t do anything wrong.”

In the 12-page report, which gives accounts of the incident from the perspective of eight different officers who were present Monday afternoon, Officer Nicole Mallo writes that Meyer would only resist officers when cameras were present.

“As (Meyer) was escorted down stairs (at the University Auditorium) with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down stairs he started screaming and yelling again,” Mallo wrote.

Mallo was one of two officers who actually rode in the vehicle as Meyer was escorted to the Alachua County jail, and she said said he told them during the ride: “I am not mad at you guys, you didn’t do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job,” according to Mallo’s account.

Mallo also wrote in her report that he asked, at one point, if cameras would be present at the jail.

If he was trying to get a certain response on camera, then it would again indicate that they played right into his hands.

–And Attytood did some research into Meyer and found these interesting tidbits….

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  • griftdrift

    Sigh. I think I’m the only person left who thinks the police acted appropriately.

    If you follow the incident step by step, the police only escalate the force as his behavior becomes more and more erratic.

    Two cops attempt to escort him out, he pulls away and begins waving his arms, three cops take him to the rear where he violently pulls away, only at that point do they swarm and take him to the ground where for quite some time they simply try to restrain him so he can be taken away. He then rolls over begins struggling again and, despite what some blogs are saying, continues to flail with his uncuffed left hand. This is the point where the use of the taser was ordered.

    Maybe the investigation will prove me wrong. Maybe they were out of line. But for goodness sake, lets at least deal with the facts as they are evidenced by the multiple videos.

  • dan

    clearly he was looking for attention. derp. that’s why he had a speech planned. that’s not called a “stunt”. that’s called being overzealous.

    and unless he said similar things twice, that police report about him “telling kerry” that he had been listening “to his crap for hours” is complete bullshit. more of that aforementioned politically tinged accounts. the footage i saw, which was from the girl and the camera you see right in the beginning of this one, clearly shows dude saying to the people trying to get him to shut up, that he will get some time because they’ve all been listening to kerry talk for two hours. he certainly didn’t say “crap”.

    but this is politics related. the bullshit is bound to fly from minute one. everybody’s gotta make it look like it benefits their ideals.

    those (rent-a?) cops are still a bit fascist, tho’. i mean, holy crap. i dunno if it’s an issue of being under trained or drunk with power, but this sure seems to happen way too much. if it’s the power that got to their heads, well… i’m pretty sure that’s psych 101. it happens with highly trained mercenaries in iraq and it happens to cops that patrol the ghettos… and it happens with authorities on college campuses who have to put those “punk kids” who will probably end up making more money than they do in a few years, in line.

  • dan

    Sigh. I think I’m the only person left who thinks the police acted appropriately.

    dude, if you think getting tasered in the middle of a pile of 4 or 5 cops with two of them leaning on you and one hand in cuffs is appropriate… then that just scares the shit out of me.

    if you can’t do the job right, find another one. if you need to torture people because you can’t subdue them properly, perhaps it’s time to look for a new line of work.

  • griftdrift

    Have you even watched the videos? They only use the taser after its apparent they aren’t able to cuff him. Torture? Facists? There are some people pretty cavalierly tossing around some pretty inflammatory terms.

  • domajot

    This has nothing to do with free speech. The student was preventing others from exercising their free speech by refusing to relinquish the microphone,
    He made his statement, but that wasn’t enough. He ruined the evening for everyone present. Disorderly conduct is disorderly conduct. Where are the TMV-like speech codes when you need them?

    Tasering is another matter, and it points to bad training for the securty people if four or five of them, can’t manage to wrestle one unarmed man out of the room or get the microphone back. A swift kick in the pants was well deserved, though.

  • Sigh. I think I’m the only person left who thinks the police acted appropriately.

    Based solely on the video I’d tend to agree with you. The job of security in this case was to escort someone who was being unruly out of the room – this is no different than police escorting a drunk out of a public place. From the video it looks like law enforcement followed reasonable procedure – the guy was asked to leave, when he refused two officers took him by the arms, and when he struggled with them a third officer attempted to physically carry him from the room. It was only when it was clear that this guy had every intention of fighting with the people trying to remove him that he was pinned to the floor and eventually tasered in order to get a set of handcuffs on him.

    The level of competence and integrity varies among law enforcement just as it does in any other profession, and as a result mistakes will happen, but while this case could have been handled better it doesn’t appear that it was handled inappropriately. Regarding Joe’s comment that this was suppression of free speech, just as someone who was being disruptive at a theatre or restaurant could be escorted out, this guy also deserved to be asked to leave.

  • People are focusing on whether the tazering was appropriate, and missing something way more important.

    At what point were we escorting people out of political events for asking inflammatory questions?

    Think about it! Who cares if the kid was “pulling a stunt”? That’s political speech that got censored! This happens to people at all sorts of political events, on all sides. Anyone who tries to ask an inconvenient question is labeled disruptive and ejected!

    This is how democracy dies, people! Whether the cops should have tasers, whether they followed proper procedure, whether the procedure should be changed, these questions are secodary. The brutality of police work is always, at some level, shocking. But the real horror, for me at least, and for other people who really think about these things, is that the cops were used to shut up some kid at a political forum! If that doesn’t disturb you, you should take some remedial civics.

  • Gee, a college student with an ego who believes he knows it all. How unusual ((thud)).

    Who issued the order to cut his mike?
    Without the mike, how long would he have persisted before ignoring him would have an effect?
    Why the immediate move to 86 him?
    Who ordered that?
    If someone physically grabbed you and you thought you broke no law, would you try to pull away?
    With 6 officers on him and him on the ground, what real threat would be posed by one hand waving around?
    How did police deal with resisters before Tasers?
    Why would that be less effective now?
    If you were being led away and the officers who assaulted you suddenly had no cameras or witnesses around, would you use non-threatening language to avoid further assault?

    Sure, you can allow the spin of those with power and authority to color your perceptions. But remember this: if the cops thought they might face disciplinary action, they are quite capable of lying. I’ve personally observed cops lying in court or on the news several times.

    While it’s possible Meyer wanted attention, it strikes me as unlikely he wanted to be Tasered. He begged not to be.

    And there’s way too much fishy here to conclude the official version is correct. Remember that a jury said the cops acted appropriately when they beat Rodney King. Did you agree with that verdict after witnessing the video?

    Go read Pam’s House Blend. She describes a NY incident where cops Tasered the son of a NYPD veteran.

    I’ve met good cops. But I’ve met a lot of egomaniac power-absorbed crooks and liars and pisspoor public servants among them, too.

    I’m trusting my eyes and ears on this one. The cops or the policies they operated under, were way out of line.

    This IS a free speech issue. Even if Meyer courted controversy. Police must be professionals and public servants. So who were they serving that night?

  • mattsmillion

    I have the entire vid with a new angle. Watch that THEN comment!!

  • jdledell

    Frankly, the cops were out of control. The kid was lucky the cops did not have real guns – they probably would have put a bullet into his head. I have zero sympathy for the cops – they, like most cops – are on a power trip.

    What you see is the “militarization” of police in this country. Cops now see themselves as warriors, like the army. I would never teach my grandchildren to seek help from a policeman on the street. The chances are very good the child would be beaten and put in jail for asking for directions.

    In my 62 years on this earth, I have NEVER met a policeman who was anything but surly, unhelpful and power mad. No, I have never been arrested and the last traffic ticket I got was 35 years ago. However, I have witnessed many ugly incidents like this one. One I will never forget is at a school board meeting where a young mother stood up to complain about the cancellation of AP classes. Our wonderful town cop came up behind her and said “shut up bitch” – a then swung his billy club to the back of her head and fractured her skull. It cost the town $2 million but the policeman quietly resigned without charges.

    I could go on and recite dozens of incidents like this but suffice it to say, I have never met a policeman that I would consider to be a human being.

  • Bones_708

    I really have to wonder why people would have a problem. The kid asked for it, he got it, so be it. As far as some of the comments if you have never tried to handcuff someone who is resisting don’t try and talk about how the cops should of been able to do this and that. As for the taser if the dept policy allows for use of the taser for when people resist ,and not just when they fight, then I think it was appropriate. You would be surprised how many cops and suspects get injured in “wrestling matches” like that.

  • Bones_708

    jdledell they did have guns, and were reasonable and slowly and progressively escalated force as he continued to resist. If you have never met any police office that was anything but “surly, unhelpful and power mad.” I have a feeling that says much more about you than our police.

  • jdledell

    Bones – You don’t know me but I am disabled from polio and can barely walk with crrutches. I represent no threat to anyone but I sure have been treated as such by cops. That’s my experience – your mileage may vary. I suppose you would have congratulated the cop who fractured the woman’s skull. In your world all cops are wonderful and perfect.

  • G. Weightman

    What happened to the “right to be heard” of those patient students whose places in line were usurped by this narcissistic, Geraldo wannabe?

  • Bones_708

    You don’t have to be a threat to piss people off and insure a bad reaction from them. That you repeat an incident you witnessed as a condemnation of all police is as illogical as it is absurd.

    No jdledell not perfect, but definitely human beings.

  • jdledell

    Bones – I will repeat – I have never personally met a decent cop which is not to say they don’t exist. To use your words “You don’t have to be a threat to piss people off and insure a bad reaction from them.” So this gives cops the right to beat the crap out of someone.

    Lets go back to the Menendes shooting by British police. They subdued the suspect – then put 8 bullets into the back of his head. No charges were ever brought. How do you justify that? What kind of human being just executes an unarmed defenseless man? How do you stand before G-d and justify your actions. How can you even live with yourself?

    Yes, humans make mistakes but most humans have to pay for their mistakes when caught. Yet when you look at the military and cops, most of the time they NEVER have to pay for their mistakes. It’s the fog of war or fear of the criminal that excuses their behavior. I just pray that G-d will make these people atone for their behavior.

  • Bones_708

    This is a good example jdledell. Show me where I said all cops are perfect? Where did I say it was ok to “beat the crap” out of someone who pisses you off? Lets not go to the Menendes shooting because one event no matter what happened does in no way serve as an indicator of a whole profession of people. Military and police are not the same, do pay for crimes when proven and make it possible for you to live your life today. I should stop your ignorance and hate is going to set me off.

  • dan

    Have you even watched the videos? They only use the taser after its apparent they aren’t able to cuff him. Torture? Facists? There are some people pretty cavalierly tossing around some pretty inflammatory terms.

    uh, yeah. i watched them. which is why i said “the footage i saw, which was from the girl and the camera you see right in the beginning of this one, clearly shows …”

    do you even read what people say before you try to disagree with them?

    and what is your point about the severity of the language? is it suddenly never apt to use them, because they’re so serious?

  • Lynx

    The new angle doesn’t show anything new other than the fact he was talking quite a long time before the police tried to drag him away. Actually no, the new angle DOES show something new, the student is NOT a conservative, but a liberal. In a sense it could be construed as “shutting down criticism” but without hearing what he had to say, you can easily suppose that this was a conservative student, it wasn’t. Also he was being a douche and a drag. Also the students applauded initially when he was being dragged away by the police.

    I think he still should have been allowed to finish, within reason, but he seemed to have the full intention of going on for quite a while. Maybe the taser was a bit much, though they seemed to try many other less aggresive methods before resorting to the taser. A well trained officer could have put him in a wrist-lock. Mind you, a wrist lock hurts like the blazes, he’d have screamed anyway, but it wouldn’t have looked as bad and the officer could have gotten the cuffs on more easily.

    Again they may have overdone it some, but crying police brutality is overboard IMO. Crying fascist is laughable, fascist police wouldn’t have used tasers, they would have used nightsticks, and kept on using them at the station.

  • jdledell

    “I should stop your ignorance and hate is going to set me off.”

    Bones – You can correctly attribute hatred to me, but not ignorance. Here are just a few personal accounts I have had with cops.
    1 – One evening on the Mass Pike, police had set up a random sobriety checkpoint. I waas pulled over and asked when I had my last drink. I told the cop more than 10 years ago. He asked me to get out of the car for a roadside sobriety check. I got out of the car WITH MY CRUTCHES to walk the line. The cop screamed at me to put the crutches down and when I tried to explain I could not walk without them, he kicked them away. I fell flat on my nose. After blowing a 0.0 on the meter he told me to get out of there. When I started towards the car, he gave me a shove and I fell again. Thanks a bunch.

    2 – The Thanksgiving of my son’s freshman year in college he brought his Jewish Morrocan room mate home for the holiday. While we were cooking the dinner the two of them went to the side yard to throw a frisbee around. The frisbee went into the street and my son’s room mate went to retrieve it. A neighbor saw him and called the police about a strange person in the street who returned to our yard. Soon sirens were blaring and two police cars roared up the driveway. Okay so far – no harm no foul. When we explained to the cops that the two were my son and his room mate. They asked the boys to produce ID’s. These boys were the proverbial nerds, neither had ever gotten a drivers license and their MIT student cards were left in their dorm room.

    My wife brought out her scrapbooks to prove to the police that our son was real but to no avail. After the cops called the room mate a G-D arab and a F…ing foreigner, the boys were taken to the police station for refusing to show an ID that they did not have. A frantic all to our personal attorney who called the chief of police who told us to quietly let the situation die and we returned home to our burned turkey dinner.

    3 – One day I came across an old man standing beside his car on one of the township roads. The car was half on and half off the road. I stopped to see what was the matter. The drive shaft had broken and the car would not move. I saw a police car and thought great, the old man would get help. All the policeman did was get out of his car and start screaming at us to move the f…ing car. The guy had to be 75 and I was on crutches and no way we could move it. All the cop did is stand and scream, finally he took his car and pushed the old man’s car sideways into the ditch, damaging the side panels and then drove off. He never called a tow truck and I ended up driving the man into town to find a tow truck ourselves.

    4 – One of the things our town encourages is setting up neighborhood watch groups. Our neighbors thought that was a good idea and the town said they would send over a policeman to meet with us to explain how it should work and to deliver a sign we could put up on our street. All the neighbors met at our house and the policeman started to explain that whenever we saw a “spic” or a “nig…r” driving thru our neighborhood we should call the cops immediately even if they were not doing anything. I told the cop to take his prejudices and deragatory comments back to the station – he was not welcome in our home or neighborhood.

    I should shut up before these rememberences give me an ulcer.

  • Bones_708

    I do not believe you

  • DLS

    The stupid lefty children out there immediately began screeching about “freedom of speech” (which had nothing to do with this incident whatsoever) and said nothing about the “student’s” deliberately destructive behavior, which he willingly chose to escalate — he was just a stupid childish punk, who as one person already said, thought perhaps he was another Borat.

    He intentionally disrupted the event and violated its rules (“freedom of speech” is thereby exposed as a lie) and behaved in a threatening, bizarre manner. As another writer correctly said, he’s lucky it wasn’t many years ago and he would have faced a good clubbing instead of being “Tazered.” He’s a stupid, self-absorbed, childish loser (like so many bloggers we see; no wonder they’re rushing largely to defend the punk and disparage authority).

  • jdledell

    “I do not believe you”

    Bones – You have that right but think for a minute. Why would I go off the deep end with obviously unbalanced commentary if these were not deeply personal experiences? If you think a cop has NEVER used the term spic or ni….r, , or used the F word then I think you are living in a dream world.

  • Sam

    Please, that guy got what he wanted and deserved. If he had calmed down and walked out that would have been that. Even political speech has rules to it, so everyeone gets their time in. Instead he chose to act like a douchebag and got tasered. That was a perfectly reasonable event going on, and this jerk intended to make it unreasonable.

  • What you don’t see in the videos is that Taser-boy was at the end of the line, then rushed the front when “last question” was announced, pushing off the police on the way, and seizing the microphone from someone else who had played by the rules and waited patiently for their turn–which they didn’t get. That’s why the police were right next to Taser-boy. He had already created a disturbance and evaded restraint.

    The response I saw was graduated and professional, and aimed at reducing the risk of injury to all of those present AND the person being arrested. The alternative to tasing him by the time he was down and still flailing around was pepper spray, billyclub, sheer force, or taser. Tight quarters and circumstance eliminated the first, and guess which of the remaining three was lowest-risk for injury to the person being arrested?

    Yep–directed shock. No spinal injuries or cracked ribs or dislocated elbows or shoulders, no skull fractures, walked out in custody with no injuries.

  • lurxst

    Funny, I don’t remember when they passed the law about cutting in line. When I was in elementary school it was considered rude, and maybe a teacher would send the offender to the back of the line if enough of us cried foul.

    If the presentation and Q&A were indeed over, who cares if this guy wants to stand there and shout his questions to the air. He obviously had some point to make, funny that he was waving around his copy of Greg Palast’s book Armed Madhouse. But the necessity of dragging him off within minutes, cuffing him, tasering him, it is all very, very overboard and evidence of police intolerance and powertripping. If this was a unique incident of this kind of behavior it might have gone away, but it is not unique, it is in fact becoming commonplace.

    I recently read an article about how police view their Tasers. They are a blessing and a curse to officers and have cut down significantly on the use of lethal force when faced with dangerous suspects. But too often they are being used to force compliance or to punish suspects who pose no immediate threat to the cops. From what I saw, this guy was simply being uncooperative and a jerk, resisting a unconstitutional arrest, not posing a danger to the officers or the crowd.

    When acting like a jerk becomes against the law, it will be sad day for us all.

  • PWT

    The little brat should thank God for the Taser! If this had occurred at a time before the invention of the Taser, he would have been subdued with clubs (it would have been something to see the crowd break out in a chant of, “Rodney King him, Rodney King him.”

    All kidding aside, the police acted appropriately. He got the attention that he wanted. End of story.

  • Funny, I don’t remember when they passed the law about cutting in line….resisting a unconstitutional arrest

    Your poor grammar aside, the arrest was perfectly legal and constitutional. At the point he forcibly cut in line against verbal police instruction, he was creating a disturbance (disturbing the peace) which is a misdemeanor. At the point he was told to leave the podium and did not, he was both creating a disturbance and trespassing, which are misdemeanors. (Yes, you CAN trespass on university property, even at a “public” event. Ask any drunk who’s been ejected from a ball game.) At the point he resisted being walked out of the auditorium he was failing to comply with the lawful order of a peace officer, which is a misdemeanor.

    And at that point he began resisting arrest and assaulting peace officers. The first of which can be a felony in that jurisdiction, and the second of which is a felony almost anywhere.

    A smart person would be pleading down about now.

  • Sam

    “Funny, I don’t remember when they passed the law about cutting in line.”

    How are you going to have an orderly discussion with jerks like this guy around if you don’t respect the proceedings. We live in a country where we actually get to address those in power, but its useless if we just turn into a mob of screaming ranting ignoramuses.

    Student protesters like this guy really are not only ineffective, they give all student activists a bad name. I’m glad they tasered him, but I’m sure it just adds to his bona fides when he goes back to the circle jerk that is far left activism.

  • Bones_708

    jdledell I assume it’s because you have serious issues. You may even believe your version of reality but it beggars reality that “you have never personally met a decent cop” unless you hide in a closet.

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