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Posted by on Feb 22, 2015 in 2016 Presidential Election, Featured, Politics, Religion | 23 comments

Conservative Blogger Erick Erickson: Obama Not a Christian in “Any Meaningful Way” (UPDATED)

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Right wing stupidity heats up for the 2016 presidential election. Right wing blogger Erick Erickson tweeted, “I don’t think Barack Obama is a Christian. He certainly is not one in any meaningful way.” Um, so I guess by his standard Jesus wasn’t a “meaningful” Christian since he was all for helping the poor and the downtrodden. That’s quite the opposite of the Republican Party’s belief. They are all for the fabulously wealthy….#ijs.

Here’s the reaction on Twitter to Erick Erickson’s tweet (by the way, he blocked us, must have been after we commented on another stupid tweet he sent in the past):

This was cross-posted from The Hinterland Gazette.

UPDATES:


Kyle Cupp:

So Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker responded to a dumb interview question by saying he didn’t know if Obama is a Christian. His spokeswoman Jocelyn Webster later clarified that, yes, the governor thinks the president is a Christian. Okay then. Good.

Conservative prophet Erick Erickson, however, quickly jumped in, tweeting “I don’t think Barack Obama is a Christian. He certainly isn’t one in any meaningful way.”
He’s taking some flak. As prophets do.

I would add to this Very Important Debate only one thing. There are those who say that Catholics like me are not Christians. So I guess my point is that President Obama should remove all doubt that he’s not a Christian by converting to Catholicism.





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  • Obama is certainly not a fundamentalist Christian. To fundies, this means he is not a Christian “in any meaningful way.” How those who profess to follow Jesus, who advocated humility and warned against standing in judgement of others, can make public statements like this is beyond me. So is the strange, contradictory marriage of Christianity and right-wing politics.

    • KP

      Well spoken.

  • JSpencer

    “we need new Witchfinder Generals”

    Agreed. The old ones are just repeating themselves. Unplanned obsolescence?

  • dduck12

    Being a “Christian”, the good, the bad, or the ugly variety, doesn’t mean much to an atheist like me. Be a good person, and I’ll respect you, not the religion you tout, or fake being a part of.

    • Brownies girl

      In all honesty, dd, I think you’d find that most people who follow the Christian faith are generally good people. Or at least they try to be. And most of them, from my experience, don’t ‘tout’ their faith, or proselytize, they just go about their days/weeks/months etc trying to be good people, helping out where they can. No doubt there are some who are ‘faking’ it, but there are fakers in every organized religion. Usually they don’t last long.

      A lot of people who are church-goers, Christian faith church goers I mean, ’cause those are the only ones I know, don’t attend because they’re trying to “get to heaven” or some such other banality. They go because there’s a peace that kind of eases your soul if you let it, sitting through centuries old traditional services, meditating, praying, whatever. And fabulous music sometimes. And there’s a social aspect too. Coffee and snacks, peaceful chatter, you get to care about all those people who share your space for 90 minutes or so, on a Sunday morning. If you give it time, I mean. Not saying you should try it – I’d never advise that to anyone. Just saying, I wish people wouldn’t be so judgemental of people involved in any religion. Specially if they haven’t experienced from a first hand basis – or have no interest in experiencing — just what it’s all about. Peace be upon you, dear dd!!! 😉

      • dduck12

        Sorry, we will agree to disagree (I hope).
        I was exposed to a religion which at least had less of the, IMHO, phoney pomp and ceremonial excesses, but it didn’t take, and I mean these were good people,. For those that really believe, I say good for you, I think religion can be a comforting, positive experience, and I approve of their life style. although I have met a few phonies that just “fake” it. Those are the ones I don’t approve of, and I don’t want them stepping on my toes, or worse, and that includes the latest- radical Islamists and Christian nut jobs.

        • Brownies girl

          Ya know what dd? We don’t disagree at all! I understand how you feel and why you think the way you do.

          Also, you write “for those that really believe” …. wish I could say I do, all the time. Fact is, I don’t, always. It comes down to faith, and there are loads of people who question their faith all the time. Even Mother Teresa questioned her faith near the end of her life. We just do what we have to/want to do. True faith isn’t real faith, IMO, unless you question it and search for answers. Sometimes they come – sometimes not. And we carry on! Thanks for responding dd – am gonna go watch the Oscars now. Chicken wings, salad and a glass of vino! Hope they don’t stink! The Oscars, I mean.

    • JSpencer

      Amen brother!

  • ShannonL

    Most churches are full of people that are not Christians in any meaningful way.

    • Slamfu

      A lot of churches are led by people that are not Christians in any meaningful way.

      • dduck12

        ??

      • Brownies girl

        Well, Slam – I gotta ask — are YOU a church-goer? If so, why are you attending a church whose leader you feel this way about — and if not, how do you know? One more question — how do you, or anyone on this board, define what a Christian is?

        • JSpencer

          Speaking as an “anyone on this board” I’ll respond. I have considerable experience being a Christian – I was even quite a devout one (I’ll spare you the lengthy bio) and while I agree that Christianity can have many benefits, there are too many self-identified Christians for my taste who don’t seem to grasp the first thing about the message Jesus was trying to convey. Also I’ve had to be truthful with myself about how much of the Bible can be seen as credible, and if I can’t be honest with myself then I’m not much good to anyone. Long story short, I’ve come to believe that all the best aspects of Christianity can exist in a person or people without subscribing to Christianity per se. I don’t care what people believe or don’t believe, so long as they treat each other right. The proof is in behavior, everything else is props, rituals, and in the case of some people a club. As dd pointed out, it’s about respect. To the extent that religion (Christianity in this case) helps people be more loving, honest, tolerant, and peaceful then I’m all for it. In fact I’m all for anything that helps people be this way. If that makes me a Christian, then fine. If not, well that’s OK too.

          • Brownies girl

            JS writes: “I’ve come to believe that all the best aspects of Christianity can exist in a person or people without subscribing to Christianity per se. I don’t care what people believe or don’t believe, so long as they treat each other right.”

            WOW, JS, I couldn’t agree with you more in what you wrote above! I have loads of friends who don’t subscribe to any particular religion, don’t partake of church services, etc. and they’re some of the finest and most generous people around. They carry good values in their hearts. I don’t know the basis of why they do the good things they do — but I’ve come to believe that we are ALL basically good people. Given the opportunity. They all seem to believe one credo tho — and it’s a biblical one — the “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” one. Believing that, and living that, does that make me a “Christian”? I don’t know. Labels don’t count and I hesitate to label myself with that designation, don’t feel I’ve actually earned it — it’s just the way the people I regularly hang with act. Including in this space. And that’s good enough for me. Thanks hon!

          • JSpencer

            Right back at ya! Anyone who argues with the golden rule isn’t firing on all cylinders imo. 🙂

        • Slamfu

          how do you, or anyone on this board, define what a Christian is?

          Pretty easy really. Do you believe Jesus was a god? That we are saved from sin by his sacrifice? That life eternal awaits our undying souls? Do you actually practice what Jesus preached, or do you just dig the gig to get up on a high horse and judge folks without actually living in a manner that eschews violence, wealth, and the trappings of this world? If you can say yes to all this, then you are a Christian. Simply being nice doesn’t cut it, there were nice people long before Jesus was born, you have to have that other stuff too. Buddha was nice, and had very similar ideals to Jesus, but that doesn’t make him a Christian.

          And my ealier quote judging leaders of churches is that I’ve seen my share of things. My mothers side of the family bounced from baptist to luthern to whatever, mostly these mega churches that were run by well dressed con artists all about the infighting and milking money from the congregation. My dad was strict Catholic, the Catholic Church being the most concrete example of a church’s leadership corrupting the teachings of Jesus I can think of. Lets just say the massive dissonance between the words of Jesus and the myriad of people who tried to instruct me in it is a large source of my views on how it simply all has to be made up.

          So that’s how I define Christian.

          • Brownies girl

            Slam asks: ‘Do you believe Jesus was a god? That we are saved from sin by his sacrifice? That life eternal awaits our undying souls? ….”

            You know what? I dunno. Truly. All that I know I have faith in is that somewhere, there’s a Higher Being — one Higher Being or Spirit — who guides people to do the right thing. All the religions in the world can call this Higher Being/Spirit whatever they want. But the spirit has been around since Day One. Longer than 2000 years anyway. Christians call him God; Muslims call him Mohammed; Jewish people might call him Elohim – I could go on and on. I don’t know who’s right and who’s wrong and I don’t really care. Mostly I think it’s all ONE higher being – and we’re all heading, in our worship – in the same direction. (I am aware all this sounds incredibly naive, but it’s just what I feel, quite strongly)

            I go to the Anglican Church (called Episcopalian down your way) only because that’s what I’ve experienced since childhood. The Anglican Church falls under the “christian’ banner, so I guess that’s what I am –or at least affiliated with.

            So what’s a Christian, in my mind? Somebody who cares about other people, helps where they can, doesn’t deliberately hurt other people, pretty much follows the rules, but sometimes or often even, stumbles — same as any Muslim, Sikh, Baptist, Jew, Jehovah’s Witness or whatever. The Higher Spirit my parents guided me to falls into the Christian faith. There wasn’t much else to choose from in south/western Ontario in the 50’s – no synagogues or mosques around back then. So we all learned about Jesus and celebrated Christmas; we all learned about the crucifixion and celebrated Easter. It just carried on from there.

            Is it all made up? I don’t know. Sometimes I wish I knew — but then, maybe not, maybe I don’t wish I knew for sure. Because, if I knew for sure, one way or the other — where would be the mystery of life?
            Am not sure I could do without the mystery of it all.

            Oh and BTW, these mega churches you speak of — Holy Rollers we call them — we don’t have them in Canada. The closest I think we ever came was when Billy Graham filled up Maple Leaf Gardens a few times back in the 50’s and 60’s. But he’s dead now. Nobody seems to have taken his place.

            Cheers hon!

    • The_Ohioan

      Source, please. Thanks.

    • dduck12

      Going through the motions?

    • Brownies girl

      I’m giving you an up vote on this Shannon, if I could give you HALF an up vote, that’d be more satisfactory to me. I’m just real curious as to how you define “meaningful”. I’m curious because I’m a church-goer and take part in lots of voluntary stuff there that has to be done. I don’t have any idea what “meaningful” means, in the context you’ve used it.

      • ShannonL

        Meainingful… means..
        acting like a Christian behind closed doors and in your professional life. Many Christian buildings have been built on the profit of sin.

        I’ve been to churches all of the US and some in Europe. A lot of great people in those churches… a lot of terrible human beings too. The biggest problem I see is people that run their professional lives like devils, for profit, a lot of profit. A lot of people have a serious disconnect between their Christian lives and their professional lives.

        • Brownies girl

          Thanks! And I agree with you – a lot of people claim to be the good guys and in professional or daily lives, act nothing like what they proclaim to be. I only asked because I hear everyday about politicians who’ve met with OTHER politicians and they come out after those meetings saying “we had meaningful discussions” — and I and a whole lot of other folks have no idea what “meaningful” means. That’s the only reason I was asking. Thanks again.

    • hahahahahaha…..

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