THIS JUST IN! Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate (OOPS! Wait a minute …)

straight_jacket.jpgTHIS JUST IN!!! Obama’s real Kenyan birth certificate has been discovered! OOPS…Wait a minute…Or has it?

The birthers, a growing movement of GOPers who are trying like crazy to find something — anything — to delegitimize Barack Obama’s election and presidency while being fanned on by increasingly paranoid talk show hosts such as Glenn Beck and some Republican politicians, are at it again. There is THIS BIG NEWS! about a birth certificate proving Obama was actually born in Kenya. How about that? A President not only not born in the U. S. of A but in A-f-r-i-c-a.

There seems to be one little problem so far. Just as conservative bloggers seemingly made mince meat out of the accuracy of CBS-touted documents that some insisted would supposedly politically destroy George W Bush, some maintream conservative bloggers and liberal bloggers now seem to be in the process of making mincemeat out this latest birther excercise in trying like crazy to find something — anything — to delegitimize Barack Obama’s election and presidency..

To wit:

–Political scientist Steven Taylor, about as solid an analyst and blogger as you’ll find, writes this:

For some odd reason, the document is dated 1964 (Obama was born in 1961) and yet this document appears to mean more to the Birthers at WND than do contemporaneous birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers at the time and the official birth certificate as issued by the state of Hawaii.

It also appears to be the case that Kenya did not declare itself to be the “Republic of Kenya” until December 1964, yet the document in question is dated February 17, 1964 and uses the phrase “Republic of Kenya” (see here). Still, this is clearly a more compelling document than those issued by those good-for-nothing, untrustworthy Hawaiian bureaucrats who are obviously in on the conspiracy to install a foreigner in the White House!

Update: LGF has what might in fact be the real Birth Certificate!

–Kos himself, writing at Daily Kos, has THIS LONG MUST-READ POST with specific details (some hilarious) suggesting that this document is not going to go down in history as the document that removed Obama from the White House.
The conservative blog The Jawa Report has a lot to say including this:

Seriously – for those still clinging to the Birther fable – knock it off. It’s not good for your sanity. You’re wrong, the evidence does not support the conspiracy claims, and you’re making it harder for us out here who are trying to fight bad policy instead of chasing and battling windmills and shadows.

Step away from “the light” and come back to Earth.

--Conservative blogger Tom McGuire, who has suggested he’s open to a good argument on this issue, also seems to be shaking his head:

So where did this document supposedly come from? It was issued on Feb 17, 1964. To whom, and why? No explanation is offered. How did it happen to be saved all these years? No explanation.

FWIW, Ms. Dunham and Mr. Obama were divorced in January 1964. Why would someone from the Kenyan side of the family want Baby Barack’s birth certificate a month later? But who from the Dunham side of the family would have requested it, saved it, and eventually pitched it to Taitz?

From another direction, some font expert may be able to opine on whether the fonts in use were available in 1964. But all that can do is discredit the document. Offhand, the only way I can think of to validate the document would be to have some Kenyan official do so. Good luck.

–Media Matters is having fun with this “revelation.”
--Pam’s House Blend:

The weak-minded Birther movement cares little about facts — they accept any fantasy explanation as they go along. They watch head birthers Darth Lou Dobbs and Orly Taitz wield their store-bought lightsabers in the air and the knuckle-dragging Birthers shout “YES!” in unison. They get all stirred up by the latest “evidence” regarding the President’s imagined birth in Kenya…then the facts undo the fantasy.

Doug Mataconis has a detailed must-read debunking of the certificate and writes:

Something tells me that the birthers are going to be sadly disappointed when this one is revealed for the forgery it most likely is.

PREDICTION: The impending failure of this to be the smoking birth certicate won’t make a bit of difference.

What is really at play is not an effort to show a fact but a burning desire to find something to delegitimize Obama and cast into doubt the entire 2008 election. It’s like the intense beliefs some cling to about the grassy knoll; the assertion by racists (who claimed what they were saying didn’t mean they were racists) in the 1960s that Martin Luther King, Jr. was really, definitely, unquestionably a full-fledged Communist and working with Moscow; or Oliver Stone’s totally unproven assertion that LBJ was involved in the Kennedy assassination.

And, yes, I know there are You Tubes about LBJ’s supposed role in Kennedy’s death. But there is also this birth certificate as well.

During the Bush administration I had someone who insisted she knew the “facts” about Dick Cheney. She rattled off a series of shocking allegations that weren’t just way out there but in another galaxy. She was convinced they were true: she heard them and they were never denied by Cheney. I’m not a fan of Cheney’s but I wondered the next time she said anything to me as fact, I tuned her totally out.

And that’s the problem for the GOP if this remains unchecked and unrepudiated. Strongly.

It’s the notion that if you don’t like someone and lose an election then you scramble in a frenzy to find some way to “get” that person personally and take them out, discredit them because that way you can stop their ideas, halt their proactive efforts to implement their policies that you hate, and discredit all of those who you feel were stupid enough or dumb enough to have voted for him (or her) — and advance your own political “sports team.”

So if something the slightest bit hazy comes up, it’s injected with several gallons of political paranoia and bile. It becomes the truth.

And if you’re challenged to come up with something that proves it’s the truth, you leap at it immediately and trumpet it for all the world to see.

This trumpet blast is turning into a massive sour note.

The bad news: Some are really into this and the movement seems to be growing as the GOP leadership and talk radio show hosts (and people such as the no-longer-mainstream CNN’s Lou Dobbs) continue to enable it, rather than use their powers or leadership or influence over audiences to halt it. It makes our political debate not about policies, but all about frantic attempts to “get” those who with whom we disagree.

The good news:
There are thoughtful conservatives who are joining with liberals and centrists to put this into perspective and who are asking pointed questions and who want no part of this.

For more reaction GO HERE and keep refreshing it.

And be sure to read THIS via Andrew Sullivan.


  1. Obama's mother was a US citizen.

    That makes him a US citizen.

  2. GS – actually, not necessarily a true statement:

    In 1961, citizenship by birth was governed by Montana v. Kennedy (366 U.S. 308 (1961)). The court ruled that a child born abroad prior to May 24, 1934, to an American citizen mother did not acquire American citizenship at birth, since at that time citizenship at birth was transmitted only by a citizen father. Although subsequent legislation conferred upon American women the power to transmit citizenship to their children born abroad, such legislation was not retroactive and did not bestow citizenship on persons born before the enactment of such legislation.

    For persons born on or after November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:

    1. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born;
    2. The citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before his or her child's birth;
    3. A minimum of 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

    I am NOT a birther (obviously, I would hope), but don't like leaving false statements or asumptions unchallenged.

  3. “Obama's mother was a US citizen.

    That makes him a US citizen.”

    THANK YOU George. Good buddah, does nobody know anything? Has nobody ever known someone born overseas to American parents? Blah blah about birth certificates, the man was born a US citizen because of his mother whether or not it happened in the US, unless at some point during his adulthood he legally renounced his citizenship.

  4. roro –

    See my response to GS. He is wrong.

  5. AR — I thought that it was retroactive? I had more than one friend born overseas, one of which was a citizen here only through her mother. I could certainly be wrong though.

  6. Wow, just “Oh wow”. Farking amazing the blindness so many show, repeatedly and worse, loudly.

    Hey Birthers! I demand each and every one of you submit yourselves to DNA testing as I suspect you all to be something other than human based on the complete lack of logic being exhibited.

    And since according to your own logic my questioning something puts the burden on you, you must submit to my demand or labeled “not human”.

    Thank you.

  7. I believe a few others also pointed out a couple of things:

    1. The font is off, and if the fold lines are legitimate, why isn't the print faded in the creases?

    2. The crest is some odd version of the British crest and not the Kenyan one. If the Kenyan government was using its own documents between 1963 and the end of 1964, why would it not also have its own crest on these documents?

    3. The Kenyan government and the hospital have both said that they have found no such evidence of Obama's supposed birth there, but this is considered acceptable. The State of Hawaii issued an official statement before the election saying that they do have the original birth documents, and this is not acceptable?

    4. In other news, Prince William has said that he sees no evidence that I'm his long lost sister. I find it a little suspicious that any evidence regarding my origins as British royalty has been “lost.” Why can't you just produce the evidence, William? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE???

    5. The document appears to be signed by a brand of hand soap.

    6. If you accuse someone of doing something illegal or wrong, the burden of proof is on YOU and not the person being accused. I personally would like Glenn Beck to prove to me that he was not born in a test tube in Sean Hannity's secret basement lab, but I somehow doubt that he'd be able to provide satisfactory “proof” to the contrary. The burden of proof would be on me, the accuser. Speaking of which, I do have pictures of Sean Hannity's secret basement lab and what could possibly be pictures of a test tube containing an embryonic Glenn Beck. I'll post them just as soon as I learn how to use PhotoShop.

    And if you weren't entirely sure just HOW crazy the other conservatives view birthers, I know of at least one teabagger (and one who bought into the whole right wing extremist report conspiracy theory) who specifically requested that birthers not show up to the tea parties.

    AustinRoth, you are half-right. I firmly believe he was born on Galifrey. If you see a little blue police box parked in the Oval Office, you know why.

    “in the South the 'a replacing the 'er' is in frequent usage” Oh, hon… Don't pin this one on us. That one was started by the rappers, many of whom are from the west coast. In fact, one of the bloggers quoted in the above article is an Alabama college professor. Stereotypes = bad. (Not to mention, it's been my personal experience with the few but very loud “Old Southers” left down here that the “er” is still very much in frequent usage with not even a mild attempt to soften it.)

    “Bull. Now dissent is bad, because it's coming from the right?” I'm sorry, but I can't hear your QQ from my “Free Speech Zone.”

  8. I have not heard anyone mention one HUGE point in all of this yet.
    If it does indeed turn out that Obama's Mother fudged the location of his birth, then he is not only not a natural born Citizen…he is not a Citizen at all. He would not only be put out of office but also deported.
    If she had been honest, and had done the paperwork necessary he would probably have been a Citizen by the time he was a teenager. Since she covered up at the time where he was born, the naturalization process was never needed…….

  9. You cannot have dual citizenship and be be President either.

  10. No, unless he was born on a military installation or other American territory, he is not a born citizen. The one US parent rule doesn't apply in America like it does in other countries.

  11. Ha! That's funny, he'll most likely abuse his power as President to cover this up if it does turn out to be true that he was in fact born in now Kenya. Remember Nixon's cover up?

  12. Exactly, but his mother a naturalized U.S. Citizen would definitely have been able to bring her child to the U.S. and do routine paperwork to petition for his Permanent Resident status. Basicly a formality.

    He would never have been able to run for president, not being “Natural Born” but I'm sure his mother didn't think of that at the time, probably just too lazy to do all the paperwork and pay the fees. Ironic !!

  13. you are correct it doesn't matter if Obummer shows his BC, BECAUSE he is NOT a “Natural Born Citizen” under the constitution article II, section 1, clause 5. “Natural Born Citizen” is a type of citizenship only required to be president. Obama's father was a FOREIGNER, this means Obama CAN NOT BE a “Natural Born Citizen”. Not a “citizen at birth” (different). Not a “naturalized citizen” (different).
    I can't help it thet your education in PUBLIC school was lacking and you didn't learn about the constitution and NOW you can't be bothered to look this stuff up and see that we are correct as to Obama's ineligibility to be president. You thought Bush STOLE the election? He was a PIKER compared to Obama. This is the biggest fraud perpetrated on the American people in history. Do I believe Obama was NOT born in the U.S.A.? YES I DO. Kenya, Canada, I don't know for sure. But I do KNOW that he is a FRAUD. a USURPER, a Marxist, a racist, a Black Liberation Theology ptractitioner. And I want him GONE. Prison, preferably, but out of MY WHITEHOUSE.

  14. Governor Schwarzenegger of California cannot run for President for similar reasons, because he was not born here. But he earned his citizenship and is serving his job as governor proudly and justly in spite of the fact that he can never become President. If President Obama has nothing to hide, why doesn't he be forthcoming towards the scrutiny? Why is he refusing to disclose his personal records. Ok, so you say the burden of proof is on us, as an elected official we have an absolute right to scrutinize him because he is an elected official serving us and not our dictator.

  15. There is some confusion, a person is a “Natural Born Citizen” if they are born on US soil… regardless of parentage. I know many people like this. I myself on the other hand am a Naturalized Citizen, born outside the U.S. to non US Citizen parents. My point is that Obama (if it is proven at some point that he was indeed born in Kenya) is not a Natural Born Citizen and so not qualified for Presidency. BUT and this is a HUGE point. He did not naturalize and become a Naturalized Citizen either, this would be because of his mother fudging the location of his birth, so as to not bother with the Naturalization process.

  16. Well stated Bertie. You have every right to be outraged by a potential problem this can cause. My family came here with William Penn's Colony and in Jameston, Virginia during the early 1600's. My family has paid for in blood the rights you and I both have. You have earned your right to be called an American. It should be an honor for him to prove his worthiness to all Americans citizens. He apparently thinks that he doesn't have to answer to us surfs.

  17. I am following this closely to see where this conspiracy ends. Meanwhile I have collected some good articles and sites related to Barack Obama (more than 200 sites or articles). If you are interested take a look at the below link

  18. If you buy into any of the following liberal LIES, then it would make sense to drop the “birth certificate” argument about the “O”. But since they are all easily refuted (as most liberal LIES are), then any good citizen of the United States that has ever pledged “allegiance to the flag and to the nation for which it stands” should be duty bound to protect the Constitution of the United States and demand that it be upheld by the President, the Vice President, the Senators, the Congress Persons, the Supreme Court, and every other officer of these United States.
    Here are the LIES being told on this issue:

    1. If the “O” is a citizen, then he is eligible to be President.

    2. The “Certification of Live Birth” published by “The Daily Kos” and the “Fight the Smears” websites proves the “O” was born in Hawaii.

    3. The birth notices published in the Honolulu newspapers prove that the “O” was born in Hawaii.

    4. The fact that the “O”’s mother was a U.S. citizen is enough to make the “O” eligible to be President..

    Here are the refutations of those lies:

    1. The Constitution clearly states that the President must be a “natural born citizen” and there are clear court rulings on just exactly what that entails. It is more than just being a “citizen”.

    2. Even if the “Certification of Live Birth” document were genuine (which it most probably is not) it would not prove that the “O” was born in Hawaii since the State of Hawaii does issue that document to people born outside of Hawaii, not only in other States but also in other Countries. There is nothing on that document that states anything about WHERE the person is born. The State of Hawaii itself does not recognize this document as proof of Hawaiian citizenship for many State legal purposes.

    3. The newspapers used the issuance of the “Certification of Live Birth” documents (see above) as one their “triggers” to publish a birth announcement. The announcements were not necessarily submitted by any relative of the child. The announcements do not state WHERE the person was born.

    4. It can easily be confirmed that BOTH parents must be “U.S. Citizens” for the child to be considered a “natural born citizen”, especially if the child is born outside of the United States. The courts have ruled on this more than once. The “O”’s father was NEVER a U.S. Citizen of any kind. Also, the “O”’s mother was not an old enough (over the age of fourteen) U.S. Citizen for a long enough period of time when the “O” was born for even her to qualify legally under the law to confer any “natural born” status on the “O”.

    Even if the first four items did prove the “O” was a “natural born citizen” (which they do not) the “O” would have lost that citizenship when his mother married Mr. Lolo Soetoro, and Mr. Soetoro adopted the “O” and moved the family to Indonesia and enrolled little “Barry Soetoro” in the Indonesian school. Under Indonesian law, Mr. Soetoro could not have moved his wife and adopted child to Indonesia and enrolled that child in the Indonesian school unless they were Indonesian citizens, and they could not have become Indonesian citizens without renouncing their U.S. citizenships. Since there has never been any evidence that the “O” ever applied to regain his U.S. citizenship when he moved back to Hawaii, it is entirely possible that not only is the “O” not a “natural born citizen”, he might even be an ILLEGAL ALIEN!

    So let’s not be so quick to allow the liberals and misguided conservatives to sweep all this under the rug. Even if the liberals don’t seem to think so, it is important that we stick to the constitution as it was written.

  19. Holly in Cincinnati has shown us that there is hope for humanity.

    Yes, simply show the document to put this all to rest.

  20. And here are the partisan and regional breakdowns, which show that the false belief that Obama was not born in this country is most commonly held by Republicans and residents of the South:

    Yes No Not sure
    Dem 93 4 3
    Rep 42 28 30
    Ind 83 8 9

    Northeast 93 4 3
    South 47 23 30
    Midwest 90 6 4
    West 87 7 6

    Need anyone say more?

    To paraphrase John Stuart Mills:
    Not all Republicans/Conservatives are racists, but most racist are Republican/Conservatives.

  21. Baloney. I have met many people here of ethnic minority who are as equally prejudiced as any so called conservative. Prejudice today is much better than it was for minorities than decades ago. In fact, we now have reverse discrimination in which minorities are prejudice against a larger majority race. And often, the liberals are the one to pull the race card more than anyone. Who to say there not the ones that are prejudice?

  22. Ha, where do you get your polls from? CNN, CBS or NBC? All liberal biased.

  23. Eyesopen007, nicely put. Maybe thats why he want s amnesty for illegals, so he can be legal too…JK:)

  24. Not all Democrats/Liberals are Communists, but most Communists are Democrats/Liberals.

    Not all Democrats/Liberals are perverts, but most perverts are Democrats/Liberals.

    Not all Democrats/Liberals are self-loathing racists, but most self-loathing racists are Democrats/Liberals.

    Not all Democrats/Liberals are elitists, but most elitists are Democrats/Liberals.

    Not all Democrats/Liberals are anti-Americans, but most anti-Americans are Democrats/Liberals.

    HEY! This is fun and easy. And it requires no thinking or actual facts, like all good Leftist propaganda. No wonder you guys like mindless sloganeering so much.

  25. JJ Abrams is remaking that series. Should be interesting.

  26. “The bottom line is someone has to prove in court that this Kenyan birth certificate is fraudulent, if in fact it is.” – Hillary Voter

    Sorry, no that is not how it works. The burden of proof is on the person producing the document (and might I add here, this isn't even a copied “document” it's a photograph of a purported document) and claiming it to be genuine.

    But before we even get to that level, the person filing suit has to establish they have “standing” in order to bring the suit in the first place, that the court has subject matter and personal jurisdiction over all the parties to the suit before we even come close to getting to the issues of “proof” or “evidence.”

    No one has to prove this document isn't real, or at least not at this stage of the game, it would be up to the person filing the document with the court to establish its validity. And I doubt that Orly Taitz – mail order lawyer and her “assistant” Charles Lincoln – 3 time disbarred Atty (CA, TX & FL) have either a valid document or the ability to establish to a court's satisfaction that the document is real and/or reliable.

  27. Wow, AR, so I can see some of those and agree, but where do you get “perverts”? anti-Americans (I'm assuming that you're talking about people who are here in the states)? The funniest is “elitists”. Of course, that word has been overused and morphed in the past year such that it has essentially no meaning. “Self-loathing racists” — is that codeword for “black”? Or are you talking about those white racists who at least have the good taste to realize that being racist is bad? (BTW, on this point, I'd certainly agree with you if you're talking about the latter; most people have ingrained fear and/or hatred toward people of other races, certainly including Dems.) I guess I would argue that if you're going to be a racist, it's better to do so as the Dems do — try to atone, however inadequately or even offensively — instead of as the Reps do — revel in it like pigs in the mud.

  28. roro -

    It does depend on where you are born (US territory or military base, for instance); active duty status, etc. The full details of what counts and what does not are byzantine, to say the least, which is why But as a general rule, unless there is something I missed, what I posted are the rule.

    Oh, and now we have those splitting the hair of what the definition of 'natural born' means. reminds me of the nuts who claim the tassels on the US flags used at press conferences show we are actually under military dictatorship law, or some such nonsense.

  29. Not all Democrats/Liberals are elitists, but most elitists are Democrats/Liberal

    Elite? What's wrong with elite?

    If I am a Harvard Professor, I am a member of the intellectual elite, it means that I am smarter and better educated than you are or most people for that matter.

    If I am a Harvard Professor, I am a member of the scientific elite, it means that I am smarter and better educated than you are or most people for that matter.

    If I am a member of the SEALs, I am a member of a Military elite, it means that I am one of the toughest, best trained soldier on the face of the planet.

    If I am an athlete playing any sport professionally, it means that I am a better athlete that 99.9% of all people living on this planet and am therefor a member of an elite.

    Elite is good, the only people who think it's bad are the idiots who think that reading a history book makes them an historian, writing a spreadsheets makes them a programmer and nailing two pieces of wood makes them a carpenter. It doesn't… Elite is what you are when you are amongst the best at what you do…

    So if the intellectual, artistic, scientific or military elites are liberals/democrats, I would consider that to be an endorsement of the Party and it's aspiration.

  30. Barack Obama has a US passport which he has held well before he became president. Somebody saw his birth certificate. But whatever. It isn't like any of you birthers would ever be Obama supporters, even if you had the iron-clad vault long-form copy. You'd still fight his presidency with everything you had. Dissent is one thing. Dissent is lobbying your representatives, doing grassroots organizing, protesting, etc, related to political issues. Trying to bring down a duly elected president based on a whacky conspiracy theory and zero real proof (as in a non-fake Kenyan birth certificate or something that is actual evidence) is sedition.

  31. Roro,

    If it weren’t for perverts, I doubt Democrats could ever win an election. Almost as strong as the Hobo contingent, but not as dependable.

    Haven’t’ you ever wondered why the Dems lobby so hard to get the voting rights restored to convicted felons and even current prisoners? These are solid Democrats who will go to work for MoveOn or Acorn immediately on release in voter outreach programs.

  32. jwest — Perverts don't flock to one party or another. Evidence? Any? They do, however, seem to come from one gender.

  33. They do, however, seem to come from one gender.

    Would that be the gender that votes predominantly Republican by any chance?

  34. Why, DQ, it would be just that gender!

  35. roro –

    Dude. Come on. You don't recognize someone using hyperbole to point out the stupidity of the post they are responding to? Especially given how I ended it?

    Lighten up, bro.

  36. Why, DQ, it would be just that gender! Funny, that, eh?

    Does it mean that I can now say:

    Not all Republicans/Conservatives are perverts, but most perverts are Republicans/Conservatives.

    And be saying nothing but the truth?

  37. AR — Bro, I'm like totally lightened up, dude. It was just that the first one of your hyperboles is probably true, and the rest are all like opposite-worldy. So I was a little confused as to whether you going for hyperbole or satire. Bro.

  38. This, entitled “Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship By a Child Born Abroad”, is from the State Department's website:

    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

    Emphasis added.

    Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo explains the supposed problem as the fact that Obama's mother was just shy of 19 at the time of his birth, which is less than five years after 14.

    I personally don't see anything that says the five years has to be entirely before the child's birth. And I have no idea what the–how to say it?–original intent was, though I doubt it was to de-citizenize children born to teenagers . But I can't find anything ruling either way.

    I realize you're out there calling me wrong. The best, I think, you can say is in some technical sense it's arguable or we wouldn't have all these–wow, how to say this one?–completely sensible people complaining about the legal birth certificate of an American born in the state of Hawaii. I'm sticking with my original.

    Obama's mother was a US citizen.

    That makes him a US citizen.

    Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify. Sorry to be so late in replying.

  39. GS – I am certainly not arguing that he is not a citizen; I am NOT a birther. I absolutely believe he was born in Hawaii, and despite my little joke, in 1961 when Hawaii had been a US state for 2+ years, is therefore a 'natural born citizen' or any other moniker you want to use that leads to 'and is qualified by birth to be President of the United States', and that is the end of that story.

    But, you made a blanket statement, to whit:

    Obama's mother was a US citizen.

    That makes him a US citizen.

    I was simply pointing out, correctly, that your statement was indeed false, as there are circumstances, which you yourself researched and verified as I did, in which simple maternal linage of a US citizen does not infer automatic US citizenship to her offspring.

    What is wrong with saying the truth? I was simply setting the record straight, not trying to impinge your character. I will save that for other posts! ;)

  40. >>This issue is simply not going to go away until President Obama publicly releases his birth certificate, something he should have done over a year ago.

    Actually, No.

    Playing into the birther/teabagger conspiracy nutcases serves no useful purpose. And as long as they have control of the republican megaphone, that further marginalizes the republicans as well. Obama, Democrats, Moderates and intelligent conservatives have more to gain by letting the nutcases spew and fume with their meaningless arguments than to put the arguments to rest.

  41. Those who ask for his proof of birthplace will be disempowered if he was born in Hawaii and shows proof with a microfiche copy of the Longform Certificate of Birth. By ignoring the legitimate cries of the People
    Who Voted For Him- as even they are requesting that he put this matter to rest with proof- merely gives
    the “legitimizers'” more time to recruit new people and spread the word that the One in office is illegitimate.
    Besides there is a new Federal Case to prosecute and criminalize the persons involved in forgeing the
    Kenyan Birth Certificate should it be proven false. Andy Martin states:

    “A California attorney has now filed a purported KBC with a federal forum. The Department of Justice and FBI automatically have jurisdiction to investigate matters filed in federal court

    Someone forged a birth document concerning the President of the United States. He may have forged it, or someone else may have forged it. The American people have a right to a thorough and impartial
    investigation of this matter

  42. It isn't a question about whether he was born here or not anymore. What is he hiding? He won't show ANY documents at all. It's as if he never existed. No one remembers him from school. He won't show transcripts or any school records. His senate records are available, they were 'lost.' Every other senator's records are there. We the people just want to know something about this guy and he won't show any documents at all. I'm sure most people have applied for jobs during their lives. You have to show originals of a lot of documents or you just don't get the job. Shouldn't the most powerful person on earth have to do the same, especially when there are so many people wanting to see them? Why is he spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on lawyers to keep them hidden? Why won't he just show them and get rid of all this controversy? Simple, curious questions that need to be answered.

  43. Austin Roth–

    I stand by what I said, for the reasons I stated.

    I don't really see why it's a hard sell, but I sure do recognize that train has pulled out of the station.

    Oh, man!!

  44. GS – whatever. I fail to see why you need to defend and stand by a statement that is demonstratively false, that in fact you yourself cited an official source proving it false, and that is in the end not relevant to this discussion, as Obama was born in the US.

    But knock yourself out.

  45. Why would the political brain trust in Obama land want this to go away? I have no doubt personally they they would love to still see this when the 2010 midterms happen.
    There is a major group of voters out there who self identify as independents. These people dont care about this silliness and most probably arent aware of it. But for those voters who are aware all this does is bolster the idea that the Republican party is being increasingly controlled by the tin foil hat elvis is alive the government blew up the trade center crowd. Americans love a conspiracy but I dont think they want their country run by a party whose followers are consumed by one

  46. I think everyone of you are too caught up in all the wrong things at this point, cause with my understanding and research reveals to me that you guys need to be figuring out where your going to get some live ammunition.

    We are on the brink of a bloody, but quick revolution here in America!!

    I see you have plenty of time to argue whose right and who is wrong, but my sincere recommendation is that you pull your head out of your,,,what's the word…yeah you just said it…Good Luck!!

    God must love stupid people. He made SO many.

  47. I am sure she went on a secret mission to destroy all copies of this so called b.c. I am worried about a nation who will not believe the Gov. of Hawii and will believe a crazy lady dentist and part time lawyer. Just blows my mind on how stupid we can be.

  48. They are sure scaring me. Do we really think the GOP has the answers. Do we go back to GW? The only folks who profited then were the top 5 percent. But looks like the 35% of Right Wing once again will destroy the country. They will get this president Kiledl and then put themselves back in the White House where folks like “”I left my heart in Argetina Sanford and” My parents bought the silence of my mistress” Ensign will give lectures on fidelity and how much God loves and forgives them. Dems doing the same thing of course are slimy immoral bastards but our hey our GOP God forgives us.we do no wrong…Gosh there are a lot of dumb Americans out there. God help us all if these tin hat folks have their way again.

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