A major political firestorm is swirling around Trump’s former Chief Of Staff John Kelly’s warning that former President Donald Trump is a fascist who admired Adolf Hitler and had said he needed totally obedient generals like Hitler.
It has opened the media and political floodgates for people using the political “fword” – fascist – in discussing Trump.
Democratic Presidential candidate Vice President Kamala Harris charged Trump wants “unchecked power.” She called Trump “increasingly unstable and unhinged.” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters that President Joe Biden believes Trump is a fascist.
Here’s how CNN framed the story:
John Kelly, the retired Marine general who was Donald Trump’s White House chief of staff, entered the 2024 fray in stunning fashion, saying the former president fits “into the general definition of fascist” and wanted the “kind of generals Hitler had” in a series of interviews published Tuesday.
Kelly’s comments, two weeks from Election Day, are the latest in a line of warnings from former Trump White House aides about how he views the presidency and would exercise power if returned to office.
In addition to the fascist comments, Kelly — who was Trump’s chief of staff from 2017 to 2019 — told The New York Times that the former president “certainly prefers the dictator approach to government.”
He also confirmed to The Atlantic that Trump had said he wished his military personnel showed him the same deference Adolf Hitler’s Nazi generals showed the German dictator during World War II, and recounted the moment.
“‘Do you mean Bismarck’s generals?’” Kelly told The Atlantic he’d asked Trump. He added, “I mean, I knew he didn’t know who Bismarck was, or about the Franco-Prussian War. I said, ‘Do you mean the kaiser’s generals? Surely you can’t mean Hitler’s generals?’ And he said, ‘Yeah, yeah, Hitler’s generals.’ I explained to him that Rommel had to commit suicide after taking part in a plot against Hitler.”
Trump’s campaign denied the exchange. “This is absolutely false. President Trump never said this,” campaign adviser Alex Pfeiffer said.
And what has the response been among Republicans who support Trump? This:
Republicans are struggling to defend the report of Donald Trump’s wild comment pining for “the kind of generals that Hitler had”—and in some cases, they’re not defending it at all.
New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu said Wednesday that a casual appreciation for Hitler’s Nazi regime was “par for the course” for the Republican presidential nominee.
During an interview with CNN, Sununu was asked whether Trump’s alleged statement was a deal-breaker for the Republican governor.
“No,” Sununu said, explaining that in the end, “it’s all about results.” Independent voters, he said, don’t care for “ultraliberal extremism” and just “need a cultural change coming out of Washington.”
“Look, we’ve heard a lot of extreme things about Donald Trump from Donald Trump. It’s kind of par for the course. It’s really, unfortunately, uh with a guy like that, it’s kind of baked into the vote at this point,” Sununu said.
Sununu showed just how quick he, and likely other Republicans too, have been to accept Trump’s extremist tendencies. But, as Sununu explained moments later, he was only doing it because it’s what everyone else was doing.
Trump loyalists are defending the former president following the report. On Wednesday morning, Fox News’ Brian Kilmeade went to bat for the former president.
“[Former Defense Secretary Jim] Mattis and Kelly didn’t like the president,” Kilmeade said, referencing the memoir of H.R. McMaster — Trump’s former national security adviser who also wrote that Putin is manipulating Trump by exploiting his ego. “I can absolutely see [Trump] go, ‘It’d be great to have German generals that actually do what we ask them to do, maybe not fully being cognizant of the third rail of German generals who were Nazis or whatever,” Kilmeade said. “But he was frustrated with the slow down of commands that were not implemented.”
If your response to Gen John Kelly, gold star father & Trump’s WH chief of staff, confirming that Trump praised Hitler & called members of our military “suckers and losers” is to defend Trump, you need to look in the mirror and realize your dishonor will live forever.
— Liz Cheney (@Liz_Cheney) October 23, 2024
question: will a single republican or supporter of Trump come forward after his Hitler comments and General Kelly's on record saying Trump wants fascism, and say they no longer can support Trump??? this is another test for their principles.
— Matthew Dowd (@matthewjdowd) October 23, 2024
Secretary Esper: “Trump has fascist inclinations.”
— Anthony Scaramucci (@Scaramucci) October 23, 2024
Vice President Harris: “Trump said he wanted generals like Adolf Hitler had. He wants a military that is not loyal to the Constitution, but loyal to him… This is a window into who Donald Trump really is from the people who know him best” pic.twitter.com/wJsPTcTWM6
— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) October 23, 2024
“Hitler did some good things.”
~ Donald Trump. pic.twitter.com/5p18Q8jakk— Marlene Robertson (@marlene4719) October 23, 2024
The spectacle of obstensibly normal, maintstream Republican politicians rationalizing their continued support for Donald Trump — in this case because open assertions and affections for fascism are no more or less unjustifiable than his other blurts and rants — is some of the… https://t.co/d84ndlZ0K4
— David Simon (@AoDespair) October 23, 2024
I’m sure Trump didn’t count on John Kelly going public about his adoration of Hitler a week before Trump is set emulate the1939 Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden.
Still time to cancel. pic.twitter.com/RH6sybnEvw
— Michelangelo Signorile (@MSignorile) October 23, 2024
i dont follow this. Trump's own chief of staff said he praised Hitler's generals. Is Harris supposed to ignore that? https://t.co/zsxZevUluv
— Sam Stein (@samstein) October 23, 2024
11 million men, women, and children were murdered by the Nazis during the Holocaust. U.S. soldiers called the death camps ‘places of horror.’
And Trump said he wants ‘the kind of generals that Hitler had.’
Let that sink in… pic.twitter.com/ASJuKdsfD3
— Veterans For Responsible Leadership (@VetsForRL) October 23, 2024
It’s almost like there is a pattern, or something. https://t.co/3CL2RL1YPN
— Charlie Sykes (@SykesCharlie) October 23, 2024
Not a coincidence pic.twitter.com/M7AXFb6zKh
— MeidasTouch (@MeidasTouch) October 23, 2024
Weird how John Kelly joined the marines in 1970, served for 45 years, became the Head of Homeland Security, and then Chief of Staff, only to decide ALL OF A SUDDEN to become a liar and traitor.
I mean, UNLESS, of course, Trump actually IS a dumb fascist.
MAGA? Your thoughts?
— Jay Black (@jayblackisfunny) October 23, 2024
Imaging choosing to defame multiple 4 Star Generals to defend a politician. https://t.co/bH5vnTsDJE
— Alyssa Farah Griffin (@Alyssafarah) October 23, 2024
He has a point ? pic.twitter.com/tKKQcSM8P2
— Chip Franklin.com (@chipfranklin) October 23, 2024
Disgraceful. https://t.co/QydEEl0XhV
— George Conway (@gtconway3d) October 23, 2024
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Joe Gandelman is a former fulltime journalist who freelanced in India, Spain, Bangladesh and Cypress writing for publications such as the Christian Science Monitor and Newsweek. He also did radio reports from Madrid for NPR’s All Things Considered. He has worked on two U.S. newspapers and quit the news biz in 1990 to go into entertainment. He also has written for The Week and several online publications, did a column for Cagle Cartoons Syndicate and has appeared on CNN.