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CS- I lived in Steele’s county for more than 20 years-it and Montgomery never go to the Republicans. Bush has a 9% approval rating there. If the Republicans truly wanted to identify black conservative voters, why hide the fact that Steele was a Republican for the entire campaign (he finally came out of the closet to Tim Russert on Meet the Press a week or so ago!) The candidates own words—”in this state the letter “R” is a scarlet letter”. His campaign knew they couldn’t win fairly so they used the tactics I described earlier–which I tie in to the larger ethical problem with Republican ads thie go around.
Look if the oreos were thrown, its wrong—but even if they were-no one ever proved it was a Democratic operative or someone from Cardin’s campaign. And as I said before, Steele is not averse to using race when it works to his own advantage.
So, I disagree with just about everything that you wrote–I don’t know how to prove it, but if you lived here and were following the race, I believe you would be honest enough to admit it for yourself. Race has also been used in Virginia where voter suppression of blacks has been attempted, and is now being investigated by the FBI. Great party, the Republicans!
You still seem to be taking the view that the gamers are all on the other side from you, at least as far as racism is concerned. You’re willing to see the other side putting things into people’s head, but not your own playing on what might already be there.
Well, that’s an odd statement considering that my first comment in this thread was to condemn the use of race in the NY Repulican State Committee ad.
I see the NY folks being less subtle in their approach than the TN folks. It was in the context of the TN ads that I make that statement.
Ford’s fortunes started taking a steady downturn with the appearance of that ad. Either the GOP successfully gamed their racist play or the Dems unsuccessfully gamed their outraged reaction. Maybe some of both.
And maybe the downturn and the ad were coincidental.
We won’t agree on the answers, but I think those are the questions.
jjc,
Yep, I agree on the questions. Another factor that I’ve heard that might attribute to the downturn was Ford crashing a Corker presser- but I’m not clear on the timing of that and whether it fits the beginning of the downtrend.
CS- I think the ad had much more impact, than Ford crashing the presser-there’s no way that one event would have brought him down 8 points. The Republicans are the master of the negative ad and the campaign smear. They have been proven to work, so they keep using them, and getting better at skewing the results with them.
Also, I think its hypocritical to accuse the DNC of race-baiting when the Republicans also play race to their own advantage. I might believe that the DNC did this if many independent analysts as well as the people here didn’t think that the ad crossed the line.
Thanks for weighing in on that, shay. A number of other black people commented the same way in the initial posts about the TN ads, and a number of white southerners didn’t think so either. I realize some people see it that way, but it’s certainly not a huge majority.
CS- I lived in Steele’s county for more than 20 years-it and Montgomery never go to the Republicans. Bush has a 9% approval rating there. If the Republicans truly wanted to identify black conservative voters, why hide the fact that Steele was a Republican for the entire campaign (he finally came out of the closet to Tim Russert on Meet the Press a week or so ago!) The candidates own words—”in this state the letter “R” is a scarlet letter”. His campaign knew they couldn’t win fairly so they used the tactics I described earlier–which I tie in to the larger ethical problem with Republican ads thie go around.
Look if the oreos were thrown, its wrong—but even if they were-no one ever proved it was a Democratic operative or someone from Cardin’s campaign. And as I said before, Steele is not averse to using race when it works to his own advantage.
So, I disagree with just about everything that you wrote–I don’t know how to prove it, but if you lived here and were following the race, I believe you would be honest enough to admit it for yourself. Race has also been used in Virginia where voter suppression of blacks has been attempted, and is now being investigated by the FBI. Great party, the Republicans!
Well, that’s an odd statement considering that my first comment in this thread was to condemn the use of race in the NY Repulican State Committee ad.
I overgeneralized.
I see the NY folks being less subtle in their approach than the TN folks. It was in the context of the TN ads that I make that statement.
Ford’s fortunes started taking a steady downturn with the appearance of that ad. Either the GOP successfully gamed their racist play or the Dems unsuccessfully gamed their outraged reaction. Maybe some of both.
And maybe the downturn and the ad were coincidental.
We won’t agree on the answers, but I think those are the questions.
jjc,
Yep, I agree on the questions. Another factor that I’ve heard that might attribute to the downturn was Ford crashing a Corker presser- but I’m not clear on the timing of that and whether it fits the beginning of the downtrend.
CS- I think the ad had much more impact, than Ford crashing the presser-there’s no way that one event would have brought him down 8 points. The Republicans are the master of the negative ad and the campaign smear. They have been proven to work, so they keep using them, and getting better at skewing the results with them.
Also, I think its hypocritical to accuse the DNC of race-baiting when the Republicans also play race to their own advantage. I might believe that the DNC did this if many independent analysts as well as the people here didn’t think that the ad crossed the line.
I am black, and I see NO racism in that ad. That is a white man’s hand. Folks are going overboard here, and injecting stuff that just ain’t there.
Thanks for weighing in on that, shay. A number of other black people commented the same way in the initial posts about the TN ads, and a number of white southerners didn’t think so either. I realize some people see it that way, but it’s certainly not a huge majority.