Meet the Republican Base
A Research 2000 poll on behalf of Daily Kos suggests many members of the GOP base are … how do I put this in a “moderate voice”? … detached from reality.
One example from the findings: While a plurality of 42 percent believe President Obama was born in the U.S., 36 percent don’t, and another 22 percent are not sure, giving the GOP base an almost-super majority who question the President’s citizenship.
Another example: While a plurality of 36 percent do not think “Obama is a racist who hates White people,” 31 percent agree with that statement, and a solid third (33 percent) are not sure, giving the GOP a potential, super-majority-plus of voters who are either convinced or wondering if the President is a Caucasian-a-phobe.
And one more: A solid majority — 53 percent — think Sarah Palin is more qualified to be President than Obama, while only 14 percent unequivocally believes she is not.
Granted, it’s a Kos-sponsored poll that was undertaken specifically to test “certain claims” Kos was making about Republicans. Still, these questions are pretty direct and unequivocal; so much so, that if I was a leader of the GOP, I’d be more than mildly concerned about who was voting for me.
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A Daily KOS poll that is negative towards Republicans?
Stop the presses. Now THAT is news.
Later tonight, a new expose reveals that Glenn Beck leans slightly to the Right.
Also Nate Silver over at 538 doesn't seem to have any problem with their record of accuracy.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/tracking…
I guess we don't always like what we see in the mirror eh?
Tell us something we don't know.
Some of their non media clientele include The National Right to Work Committee, Sullivan & LeShane, Gun Owners of America, The Smith Free Group, NEA affiliates in (Idaho, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska, and Washington) The New Mexico Gaming Commission, Wells Fargo Bank of New Mexico, The Coalition to Reduce Nuclear Dangers, NCG Porter Novelli and The Kansas Chamber of Commerce & Industry.
Such a “moderate” website.. funny really.
Of course “moderate” doesn't mean adjusting the truth to make sure it's all nice and comfy.
But Rasmussen Polls are OK, just show the deviation from the norm or actual results…
E pluribus unum? olololoolollololololl. The GOP voters cannot even imagine a democrat president being legitimate. Let them secede.
I actually think this poll is just about useless and I do not think it is representative of the GOP at large but…after being beaten over the head with polls that paint the Dems as evil it is tempting to jump on the band wagon. I prefer all sides to just let it go and accept that we live in a somewhat crazy nation that has a rather large and vocal crazy fringe in both parties, freedom has a price but a price worth paying. I will be sure to quote this poll next time I am attacked with the “_% of dems believed Bush was in on 911″ or whatever poll they wish to quote. This nation has a long history of the paranoid fringe because we are a democracy with freedom and therefore that paranoia is stoked by both parties operatives to ensure they will not vote for the other side.
Which is exactly why we need more than one “other side” to vote for.
Meet the Democratic Base!
A top Democratic official at the White House suggests many members of the Democrat base are … how do I put this in a “moderate voice”? … “retarded”.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/Ema…
No room. Since democrats and republicans now are forced to vote for their candidates to defend against the attacks from the other side's politicians, there can be no granulation, compromises or real construction of an alternative. Not voting for republicans benefits the hated democrats, and vice versa. Infighting and creation of an alternative from inside one of the other parties is also too risky and gives the enemy an opening for an attack. Democracy has been given too much power in America, and so the stakes are too high for a voter to abandon his/her block, effectively denying the voter the last expression of contempt for the system. The tea party is just another little tribe that is part of the morass. There is no hope.
Well stupid is a form of being detached from reality. I'm not trying to be harsh here. Anyone who can simultaneously be a member of the working poor AND vote for republican leadership that seems to exist to legislate those same people into further poverty and inequal opportunity is either stupid or insane.
As far as I can tell, blind, rigid quasi-christian values and family tradition of voting republican is the only glue that still binds these people's loyalty to their wicked overlords.
Those fruitloops on the far left are just as intractible and for the same reason: blind rigid loyalty to a set of values outside the realm of reality. I think rigidity is the enemy of us all.
Are you always such a ray of sunshine?
I'm getting a pretty good chuckle out of you today Sil. Just a few posts down I ask you to explain why its ok to keep inequality the norm with regard to DADT. Now you tell me that people who promote inequality are either stupid or insane. You must get pretty dizzy spinning yourself around like this.
These foolish people were created by conservative talk radio and the pugnacious conservative cable TV that followed. Who says false propaganda don't work?
You can open people's heads and pour in literally whatever you want them to think. That is why “freedom of speech” needs regulation. Laws need to be instituted that enforce unbiased, and, objective political media.
Great idea! Now, who get's to get determine what's “unbiased” and “objective”?
Sure there is. The growing “independent” numbers are showing that people don't trust the mainline parties as much as they used to. I know that the current financial bubble has got to deflate sometime in the next few years, making even more people upset. It's been a long time since there's been a good, political shake up, but they have happened in the past. It will happen again.
yep, there's the rub
somehow I don't think FT had me in mind, lol
It's probably easier to say what ISN'T unbiased and objective, some sources clearly fall into the category FT just mentioned. As far as regulating freedom of speech, that can be tricky, as we've just discovered from Roberts and crew. When people can be conned into believing that giving more such “freedoms” to corporations is a good thing, even if it reduces freedom of speech for mere human beings, then things have really gone off the rails.
GOP detached from reality?!? This is shocking news. Notice my surprise face.
Finland.
They do it very well.
Yeah, I have the same problem. If congress could be stopped from favoring certain corporations over others, that would also solve the problem. When you get down to it, it's the corporate welfare that's the real problem.
jchem. People with deviant sexual drives are free to do as they like. It's when they parade that deviant behavior or want it to become part of the fabric of normalcy that they begin to tread on others. We learn socially via norms. Check your childhood psych, 101 manual. Their “ism” is not noticable until they advertise it.
These independents are as desperate for a populist snake-oil peddler as the already committed. They will not drop the partisan infighting, the culture wars or see though the narratives and short-sighted insanity of the media. They will succumb and abandon realism as well – the only difference between them and the two blocks is their fickleness, their self-gratulation and their unfaithfulness.
Oscillating between two poor choices is no better than sticking with one. The independents are too easily swayed and led to be able to drag either of the parties towards responsibility, competence, moderation or compromises. They will not stand firm, they will not allow America to return to the dreary but mature realism that is needed.
Laws need to be instituted that enforce unbiased, and, objective political media.”
Yeh, we need Truth Panels. Would you volunteer FT?
Sil, we've circled the wagons so many times on this issue that if you still want to tell me to get my “childhood psych 101 manual” then you haven't listened to anything I've ever said concerning psychology. Its great you don't give a rat's rear about what others do, but why don't you tone it down a bit? How would you like to be called deviant or any other host of names you just toss around? This is all I'll say about it at the risk of hijacking the thread. But then again, there are now three posts about the original topic, so maybe its being well covered regardless of what goes on in the comment boxes.
*sigh* They'll wise up eventually. Libertarians and Greens have been making slow and steady gains in the last few years, and even the Constitution party got on the ballot in a few states. A neglected building will sway in the wind a while before it falls. I've been railing against the mainline parties for decades now, so I'm past the frustration with the glacial pace of it all. As I've stated before, there's too many people out there to go pigeonholing them into any particular category, the stakes have been rising rapidly over the last decade.
Old airplane – you mean there was no conservatives before TV or radio?
Well, Fox is “Fair & Balanced”. Let's let them decide.
Sure enough, there were conservatives even back when I was a kid… but compared to todays conservatives they might as well have been democrats – well, except for the odd Joe McCarthy or the like.
There are very few independents, most independents lean so far in one direction or the other that you can take their votes for granted if they show up at the polls…
‘Independent’ Voters Are Generally Not
Basically most independents are people who lack the intestinal fortitude to call themselves Republican or Democrats.
So how many public officials have they elected in the last decade?
I appreciate your confidence Duck, but panels are redundant. Caning crews are more appropriate.
Wack Wack Wack Wack….the thrill of victory….the agony of defeat……
Bwaaaaahahahahahahaha…..the joy of deliverance!
The Fox News Effect: Media Bias and Voting
The Fox News Effect: Media Bias and Voting?
In short if the Media you are submitted to or submit yourself to is insane, you will eventually become insane in turn…
You can count them yourself if you like.
http://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-officials
I couldn't find a corresponding list on the Green party site, and the Constitution party had only this remark:
CP candidates were elected to partisan offices for the first time in 2006, including Montana State Representative Rick Jore.
Just because you didn't hear it in the news, doesn't mean it's not happening . . . or vice-versa.
DQ – first, my comment was intended to be taken very tongue-in-cheek.
Second though, if it is true that Fox influences voters to the Right, then it is almost certain the left bias of the other MSM has a similar effect the other direction.
I f I go from Fox to MSM, am I transinfluenced. Okay, I'll stop before I get the vapors.
Do you have anything to back up your charge of left wing bias from this decade and the specific channels they come from? It is a popular meme that I find hilarious considering the media left Bush relatively unmolested until it no longer mattered, post election they decide to out the wire tapping and in 2006 they finally realized they could report news again, and then went after Obama much like they did Clinton to prove they were not biased from the get go. The official line is that they are covering the horse race…but of course they avoided discussing that race during Bush I and II. I of course mean with the exception of the circus that is MSNBC who act pretty much the same way Fox does without the political power afforded Fox since lefties tend to ignore them along with everyone else(not everyone but they should). I can give you the famous Rather incident, I once new a comparable one that was ignored on the left but I have forgotten it at this point, either way you say this as if it is a given systemic problem and I think it probably was through at least the mid-80's but since that point with I will need some proof to go with that assertion.
Yes, I know it is wiki, but it has many cites and links to follow, discussing BOTH sides of the bias issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias
I know it is wiki, but this has plenty of cites and links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias
Personally I view them as socially liberal and corprotist on the rest of the issues which basically makes them GOP/Blue dog leaning but from the link you provided I found the below nugget after crawling through how it was left wing and then right wing and then mixed bias by the studies provided.
“A major problem in studies is experimenter bias. Research into studies of media bias in the United States shows that Liberal experimenters tend to get results that say the media has a conservative bias, while conservatives experimenters tend to get results that say the media has a liberal bias, and those who do not identify themselves as either liberal or conservative get results indicating little bias, or mixed bias. This same problem with experimenter bias extends to the studies of experimenter bias, of course. Whether bias is toward the left or the right depends on where you stand.”
Which either confirms my view or makes me a centrist which I do not think I am in the US context. I do prefer wiki to many other sources so no worries thanks for the fun read though it was informative.