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Murderer Guilty of Murder
The man who shot and killed a Kansas abortion provider has been found guilty of first degree murder.
Finally a jury who gets the right verdict.
27 Responses to “Murderer Guilty of Murder”
I'm hoping Steyn and the other bleeding-heart conservatives let this be a reminder of what happens when you pretend first-trimester boluses of cells are human beings. You enrage and frighten people.
It's funny, we hear all the time about the dangers of calling war crimes war crimes and unleashing MoveOn on poor Cheney and the other defenseless CIA bigshots, but has anyone so much as tossed a threat against Yoo and the other suspects, despite Greenwald's massive partisan hate campaign?
Wow. I came here to agree with a reasonable verdict and reasonable headline, only to see more unhinged hate from the Left.
Mmhm, hate has a tendency to receive hateful reactions. Oh no, whatever shall we do.
Also, left-wing *reactive* hatred is – as is exemplified by the case above – simply not as scary as the regular, religiously motivated hatred and fear-mongering of established right-wing idols, like Steyn.
Rhetoric and the culture war killed that doctor.
“Unhinged hate” is the ugly demonstrations in front of clinics and doctors homes, it's the rabid proselytizing from anti-science whackos, it's the bombing of clinics, the shooting of doctors, it's the violence, physical and psychological against people who are legally minding the business of their own bodies. Referring to a natural defensive reaction to that anti-choice assault as “hate” is hypocrisy and cluelessness of the highest order.
Good, I hope they hang Roeder from the yardarms.
There were a lot of witnesses and a confession. What was left to consider?
Oh. OK. Got it.
YOUR hate and bigotry is the GOOD type hate and bigotry.
“Wow. I came here to agree with a reasonable verdict and reasonable headline, only to see more unhinged hate from the Left.”
Shouldn't we hate murderers?
Bigotry?
Um, hating on extreme partisans and fear-mongers like Steyn is a natural, beautiful thing. Hating on war criminals is also pretty dang uncontroversial. Doesn't mean I'm going to shoot them, it just means that my antagonism can get pretty heated. But then, being hated or seeing evil done does that to people. Like I said, just because I hate people who reject societal foundations doesn't mean I'm going to do it myself to get to them (although let us not forget that evil always wins, seeing as good only exists in the dialectic between good and evil, while evil just rejects the boundary between the two). And considering how Yoo and Cheney has gone unmolested, pretty much all left-wingers seem to limit themselves like me.
Just a small two cents worth. The man found guilty of murder claims to be a Christian supported by some Christians. Yesterday Mr. Roeder admitted he murdered the Doctor, and that he had no regret or remorse. Just from another side, this: In the Christ I learn all these decades, the man who murdered can be forgiven and judged, both. However, it's contingent on his true remorse and admitting he took a life wrongfully, that he be made right with the God he claims to follow.
My sense as a shrink is that Mr. Roeder is not well, and is bolsetered behind the scenes by those who want him 'to hold his head up high' for what he did. But in God's sight, as I understand it with my small finite mind, God is said to see such matters differently as per Christian proscriptions. On the other hand, I dont believe Roeder is capable of reasoning beyond obcessive thought, not from what I've seen him say.
People with his set of disorders are most dangerously affected by rhetoric and harping between good and evil. Cho (Virginia Tech), and Harris and Kybold (Columbine) and many other homicidally ill persons think they are on the side of Good against Evil, and thus act to slaughter others.
Though there are those on earth who say there is a time and place for such aggression, and many of us struggle to weigh this with ethics regarding war of any kind, there is also a mental disorder that claims that individuals and groups are evil and only oneself is good.
Sadly, it's called paranoid schizophrenia. Persons with that diagnosis (and not saying this is what Mr. Roeder has, but many of its symptoms appear to be in and with him) are most often homicidal and often suicidal as well. Cho and Eric Harris suffered, in my opinion, from this particular disorder also.
One of the things CERTAIN about persons whose minds split into two extreme parts where all is defined as evil/satanic and good/godly, is that they are the MOST vulnerable to violence from hearing news, rhetoric, propaganda, rabble rousing. They are the ones who decide they are being told to 'do something to end it all.'
It is not a disease, per se. It's a brain chemical disorder.
dr.e
I agree with the verdict. Regardless of the passion that this issue raises or the strong feelings people have about it, no individual should be permitted to take the law into their own hands and preemptively murder someone in a case like this.
I blame the Catholic Church for this murder.
You don't hear the same EWTN on local radio as you do on TV. Catholic radio is full of barely concealed visceral hatred toward pro-choice people. They openly call abortion murder and well one cannot rationalize fighting “sanctioned murder” with anything else but deadly force….right? Sacrifice yourself, for the cause in “gods’ service, is only a single layer beneath their “Pro-Life” radio rhetoric. Tones of voice are violent
and menacing, especially around election time. However to protect from prosecution and civil legal reprisal, a legally required disclaimer is always stated.
I firmly believe that this murder in Kansas City never would have happened had there been no catholic radio broadcasts condemning abortion doctors nearly on a daily basis. It leaves no doubt in my mind the violent threat the Catholic Church instigates now, as it has done throughout history, against those whom are not of their faith and political belief.
Well to be fair, there is partial birth abortions of fully developed babies.
Sad when the hard liners take over what should be a general agreement that murder is wrong and the verdict was right.
I do not support this man nor do I support outright abortion bans.
On the other hand I do not support unlimited abortion to term. I think most people would generally agree with me but sadly we have hard liners on both sides.
Good. Even though Roeder killed a murderer, he is still a murderer, and should face the ultimate penalty for it.
Patrick, forcing your morality, regarding this issue, upon others is oppression.
No no no. Tiller was Doctor, not a murderer.
And how exactly did I do that ?
You didn't.
It's a typo. Should read: Forcing ONE's morality…..
Fair enough on typo.
But I'm curious… you say that when it comes to abortion we cannot force morality on others.
Yet when it comes to same sex rights you have been quite clear in wanting to impose your views on everyone.
How is that different ?
Patrick, I can't believe you said that. Many people don't believe that abortion is murder. They don't believe that a fetus in the early stages of development is the same as a fully developed human being. For someone else to insist that this is the truth and that those who disagree with them are murderers and must live their lives according to this belief whether they share it or not. Someone wanting rights for consenting adults is not forcing someone else to live according to their moral code, but insisting that the moral code of the person wanting to limit another adult's rights (Generally derived from their interpretation of their holy book.) not force another to live by that code. Your claim is one of false equivalence.
Well Jim I'm not sure what you mean here and to which comment you refer (my first one or the one responding to Father Time)
First off, as I think I made clear, while I personally think abortion is wrong I do not support making it illegal. I do think that in later stages when the fetus is more fully formed that restrictions (though not an absolute ban as there are medical reasons for some late term procedures) are appropriate.
Based on what you are saying I suspect you adopt a somewhat similar view though I would welcome your more detailed comments.
Second, as to same sex marriage rights, unless you've ignored everything I've ever written on the subject you would know I am a very strong advocate for the right of same sex couples to marry and was strongly opposed to Proposition 8.
So I'm not opposed to choice in the early stages and I support same sex rights. In that I'm not sure where I am imposing rights here.
As to my comments to Father Time.
He has made it clear he totally opposes all rights for same sex couples (or pretty close to that, if he supports some rights I will be glad to correct the statement). He adopts this view because he does not like gays (or so he has said).
At the same time he seems to suggest that opposing abortion at any point in the pregnancy is imposign moral views.
My question was how can he oppose imposing moral views on abortion but support doing so on same sex rights.
Again, if I have in any way misrepresented his views I welcome his feedback and will gladly correct my statement.
I don't really see where Patrick has suggested that abortion is murder.
Are you, perhaps, confusing me with Patrick, as I made a very specific statement regarding Tiller as a murderer, which, in my eyes, he was?
A doctor who performs abortions for non-therapeutic reasons, to me, is the very definition of a cold-blooded murderer, and someone who, after a trial and conviction for those thousands of murders (s)he perpetrates, should face execution.
“Um, hating on extreme partisans and fear-mongers like Steyn is a natural, beautiful thing. Hating on war criminals is also pretty dang uncontroversial. “
I don't agree Axel. Hatred of all sorts is wrong and has no place in political discourse. I think you can agree that both parties play the hatred card to control their massess. Likewise INDIVIDUAL violence is never a good thing (vigilantism, murder, etc).
Roeder should hit the gas chamber for his premeditated murder.
As far as Cheney and “Move on”, and war crimes…… Apples and oranges. Governments are authorized to kill…..individuals do not.
Thst is not what the law is. So few would care what you think.
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