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Biden, Absolutists, Irony, and NY-23 (Guest Voice)

Biden, Absolutists, Irony and NY-23

by Jon Wells

Vice President Joe Biden was in upstate New York today stumping for Bill Owens in the heated NY-23 Congressional special election. You know, the one that doesn’t matter and has no national portent whatsoever, except if Owens wins, of course. In any event, Biden had a few words to say about Scozzafava’s departure and the GOP:

We aren’t asking you to switch your party. We are just saying join us in teaching a lesson to those absolutists who say no dissent is permitted within your own party … This is a different ideology. This is different than anything I’ve known in my 45 years of being familiar with this district. You know, they may not have any room for moderate views in the Republican Party upstate anymore, but let me assure you, we have room, we have room.

What’s ironic about Biden’s statement about “absolutists” is that it ignores his own party’s attempts at minimizing the effects of Blue Dogs and moderates on a variety of issues including health care reform. Concerns about the public option and potential costs are to be swept aside and steamrolled under the weight of an ideologically driven liberal agenda, moderate Dems be damned if need be (Pelosi has said as much in saying she’s willing to lose Blue Dog districts as long as her agenda gets through). Indeed, Mr. Biden, your own voters didn’t seem to have room for Joe Lieberman, who was primaried by the liberal faithful and still found victory as an independent. The threat of primary races still hangs over many moderate Democrats who don’t toe the liberal line well enough, and indeed, hangs over Arlen Specter, who the Democrats initially championed as a great moderate before working to ensure he will receive a challenge from a more liberal Democrat next year.

And let’s get a few things straight. Scozzafava got a lot of monetary support from the national party, and she was only forced out when her poll numbers dropped so low that it was obvious the voters of NY-23 didn’t see her as a viable option in the race. And about Scozzafava’s “moderate” status – it isn’t as though she’s a mostly solid Republican that had some pro-choice leanings. Her record is solidly liberal, with an award from Planned Parenthood for her abortion stance, her support of gay marriage, her support for card check, her support for the economic stimulus plan, her ties to unions, and her ties to ACORN and the Working Families Party. Those who have worn the “moderate” moniker like Tom Ridge, Rudy Giuliani, or John McCain are easily to the right of Scozzafava, so let’s be honest about what she is: a liberal, not a moderate.

That’s fine for her to hold those views, but it doesn’t take an “absolutist” to have issues with a Scozzafava candidacy. Disagreement on one or two or several issues is perfectly fine and quite healthy within a political party, as long as there are fundamental areas of agreement. But with a constellation of policy stands that are hard to accept, it becomes less of an ideological purity test and more of a practical argument along the lines of, “What will really be the difference in Congress if this liberal Republican candidate wins over the liberal Democrat?”

It’s a point I was trying to make yesterday, and a point I’ve been trying to make over the last year throughout the rhetorical fluctuations about Colin Powell and Arlen Specter.

No one is trying to force moderates out of the party (or they shouldn’t be anyway), but at some point a fundamental question must be asked: what does it mean to be a Republican? If it means nothing besides being a “not-Democrat”, then the entire reason for the party’s existence is obliterated. This is why the GOP, if it is to have any success, must not simply hope for Democratic failure, but must create and articulate a series of core principles and positive plans for action if it is to have any chance at regaining the national electorate.

Democrats and liberals are hoping to forestall that examination by playing up the tension between factions of the Republican party, suggesting that the GOP is becoming too “extreme” or “too right-wing,” or that litmus tests of ideological purity are being administered and destroying the GOP’s inclusiveness. The truth is that the tension is originating not from factions within the party, but between a party leadership that is focused solely on statistical pandering for mathematically based victory and a Republican and conservative base that is yearning for its representatives to stand for something more than “not-Democrat.”

Jonathan Wells is a 28-year-old husband and father who lives in Ohio and has a day job in the microbiology field. He notes that he tends “be conservative in most of my views, but by no means do I bear blind allegiance to a political party.” He stresses that he is open-minded and encourages “any civil disagreement (or uncivil agreement) any of you would care to express.” He likes to make people think – and does so on his blog Wellsy’s World.

  • tidbits
    Questions for the author:

    1. What is conservatism today? There are at least three factions vying for that mantel, traditional/economic, neocon, and religious right, with perhaps a fourth in the libertarians. To which do you subscribe, or do you have an amalgam definition that attempts to meld the three/four.

    2. What are the "core principles" of Republicanism that are inviolate, keeping in mind the three/four tracks of conservatism identified in question one?

    3. As Polymom asked yesterday, on what issues would you permit candidates to "stray" and how far would they be allowed to stray while being allowed to remain within either the Republican Party or the conservative fold as you define those entities?
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    "This is why the GOP, if it is to have any success, must not simply hope for Democratic failure, but must create and articulate a series of core principles and positive plans for action if it is to have any chance at regaining the national electorate."
    *******
    Yes, but they've already gutted those principles erstwhile adherants hold dear under the "republican" label. That's why the same old rotting, foul, malignant, amoral darlings have made it their strategy to berth their new regime under the label "conservative". Whatever works. Ironically, using "whatever works" is diametrically opposed to the moral foundation of those they are trying to woo.

    The solution is of course to become a party of actual morality instead of utter debauchery and greed masquerading as morality via the word "conservative". Real christians, jews and people of other good faiths of all descriptions realize what a hypocrite is. And they, by the time they're 12, have been told that hypocrites and those that support them don't go to that nice fluffy place in the sky when they die.


    I used to be a registered republican. I left the party when I realized that it no longer was reflective of my own inner values. This was around the time I learned that George Bush Sr. was one of the main figures behind the atrocities of how the Vietnam situation was handled. I had interviewed a ranking serviceman who told me how the CIA , under the republican administration then was selling heroin to our troops to help recoup some of the wages spent on that war. Then later of course that became common knowledge when veterans came home addicted to the horse in droves. George Sr. was a ranker in the CIA during Vietnam. Talk about sick puppies..

    And when he and Reagan were at the helm when cocaine was being imported into our country by the CIA in exchange for our arming the Contras...it was business as usual..Remember Prescott Bush, Sr.'s daddy, was the guy who was caught red-handed aiding the nazis while we were engaged with them in WWII. Being "at one" with the enemy is a longstanding and money-fueled "core" of the Bush family "moral-value" system.

    That was it. I was done.


    Pretty simple stuff. You either walk the walk or walk the plank.





  • There are four reasons why I left the Democratic Party today to begin building a liberal wing of the Republican Party. They are: Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, and the Hudson County Democratic Organization. If I could add another, it would be Thomas Dewey.

    The HCDO is primarily a corrupted organized criminal enterprise. I can simply no longer stand to be a part of such a group.

    Lincoln, from his Peoria speech:
    Little by little, but steadily as man's march to the grave, we have been giving up the OLD for the NEW faith. Near eighty years ago we began by declaring that all men are created equal; but now from that beginning we have run down to the other declaration, that for SOME men to enslave OTHERS is a "sacred right of self-government." These principles can not stand together. They are as opposite as God and mammon; and whoever holds to the one, must despise the other.

    and:
    Stand with anybody that stands RIGHT. Stand with him while he is right and PART with him when he goes wrong...In both cases you are right. In both cases you oppose [expose?] the dangerous extremes. In both you stand on middle ground and hold the ship level and steady...To desert such ground, because of any company, is to be less than a whig—less than a man—less than an American.


    Roosevelt, from his first inauguration:
    Much has been given us, and much will rightfully be expected from us. We have duties to others and duties to ourselves; and we can shirk neither. We have become a great nation, forced by the fact of its greatness into relations with the other nations of the earth, and we must behave as beseems a people with such responsibilities. Toward all other nations, large and small, our attitude must be one of cordial and sincere friendship. We must show not only in our words, but in our deeds, that we are earnestly desirous of securing their goodwill by acting toward them in a spirit of just and generous recognition of all their rights. But justice and generosity in a nation, as in an individual, count most when shown not by the weak but by the strong. While ever careful to refrain from wronging others, we must be no less insistent that we are not wronged ourselves. We wish peace, but we wish the peace of justice, the peace of righteousness. We wish it because we think it is right and not because we are afraid. No weak nation that acts manfully and justly should ever have cause to fear us, and no strong power should ever be able to single us out as a subject for insolent aggression.


    Eisenhower, from his 1953 state of the union address:
    At the outset, I believe it would be well to remind ourselves of this great fundamental in our national life: our common belief that every human being is divinely endowed with dignity and worth and inalienable rights. This faith, with its corollary— that to grow and flourish people must be free—shapes the interests and aspirations of every American. From this deep faith have evolved three main purposes of our Federal Government:
    First, to maintain justice and freedom among ourselves and to champion them for others so that we may work effectively for enduring peace;
    Second, to help keep our economy vigorous and expanding, thus sustaining our international strength and assuring better jobs, better living, better opportunities for every citizen;
    And third, to concern ourselves with the human problems of our people so that every American may have the opportunity to lead a healthy, productive and rewarding life.


    Dewey, despite his lousy history as a presidential candidate, defended the right of Americans to form the American Communist Party, saying, "You can't shoot an idea with a gun." He supported the creation of the UN and saw our primary international power as being one of diplomacy. As a federal prosecutor, he had mercilessly pursued mobsters. As Governor of New York, he gave state employees a living wage, doubled aid for education, and still managed to pay down state debt. He passed the country's first law banning racial discrimination in hiring. Not only did he play an important part in convincing Eisenhower to run, but he also brought along such men as Herbert Brownell, James Hagerty, and John Foster Dulles. For both better and worse, he also brought Richard Nixon onto the national stage...which proves no one is perfect, especially Nixon.

    The problem with today's conservatives is that they are simply social reactionaries in the vein of the John Birch Society and the anti-Masonite Whigs. Scozzafava was good enough for Newt Gingrich to support, and I dare say Ronald Reagan - who faux-conservatives love to compare themselves to - would have as well. Pro-gay equality isn't conservative? What do we do with good old Barry "Mr. Conservative" Goldwater then?

    I think many of the old lions of conservativism would have trouble fitting in today. That includes Frank Meyer, whom most couldn't identify, who coined "fusionism" to unite libertarianism and conservativism.
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    Yeah, I don't know...the dems have their faults but at least they aren't selling drugs to troops and US Citizens and aiding/abetting the enemy on a daily basis.

    That I cannot forgive. I'd forgotten all about the Contra scandal with Bush Sr. and Ronnie [commie-inquisition] Reagan until I overheard a program on Delorian, the car maker who died of his cocaine addiction during that time period. I remember all the cocaine flowing around our community then too in the 80s. I mean, "the cocaine 80s" is a household word. Everyone knew about it. What everyone didn't know and quite a few people were asking was: how was all this blow getting into the country unfettered? It was everywhere. In every town and every berg so many people were running around blazed on coke. That's a LOT of cocaine. Way too much for the common border runners to supply.. Basic botanists could tell you the coca plant doesn't grow in the US at all and any cocaine in this country was imported. Then the news broke about military planes being used to import the coke on orders 'from above". Who was the designated fall-guy back then. Oliver North right? It's so hard to keep up with the names. The routine is always the same though.. Just ask Colin Powell.

    The rest is history. The apples in the Bush family have not fallen far from the rotting tree..



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