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Brain Drain? You’ve got to be kidding.

The newest critique against the Federal Government limiting executive salaries in companies that it has essentially saved from liquidation or in which it holds a major ownership interest, is that it will cause a brain drain of the best people to other companies. I have one response to such a meritless argument: Bullshit.

Some of our private sector oligarchs are so narcissistic, greedy and arrogant that they think that most human talent is limited to a very small number of them. Having worked in many large and small business enterprises directly or as a consultant, I have noticed many excellent people in middle management or as Junior Vice-Presidents would be great to promote because they are hidden great leaders merely overlooked by those above them in the organization.

I strongly subscribe to the Peter Principle of Organizational Management which states “A Person rises to his level of incompetence.” Often those at the top reap the financial rewards of the intelligence and hard work of their subordinates. If those top executives feel they can do better elsewhere, we should welcome their departure so we can promote talented and competent people within the business organization or hire new talent from outside.

Many of these established companies, heavily populated by Ivy League Graduates, are directed and managed by an interlocking, incestuous, corrupt, and ossified group of individuals who continuously reward each other for various levels of incompetence, or just enough competence to surround themselves with excellent subordinates. These arrogant “best and brightest” from Boston to Washington DC even think the world revolved around them. These alleged “high producers” create short-term profits from speculation, not by actually adding anything to the economy.

Most of the financial services, investment houses and large banks have claimed to produce many new “innovations” that were created to merely skim off money from the real world economies that actually produce valuable goods and services. These marvelous “innovations” created global securitization packages, credit default swaps, derivatives, interest-only mortgages with balloon payments and interest readjustments, and other esoteric and essentially fraudulent transactions, and they all completely blew up last year. These allegedly brilliant people forget the need to properly assess and manage risk. These innovators caused the greatest worldwide Recession since the Great Depression of the 1930’s. Fortunately for them, all the bad risks were socialized and transferred to the U.S. taxpayers and they kept the profits thanks to excellent connections in Washington DC.

We can find excellent corporate managers and leaders from around the country – from places as diverse as the University of Kansas, Ohio State University and UCLA. We can also find top business talent in Mumbai and Bangalore, India. Unfortunately too much human talent is wasted or left undiscovered unless it is given the opportunity. Too many potential leaders never reach their highest callings because many top positions are occupied by ossified and incompetent people who rose to those positions due to friends and family with money and connections.

Most executive search firms are simply arrogant and lazy. They really don’t want to work hard or look very far to find “talented” people to fill the various job openings for their clients, who also prefer hiring people who already comport with their limited mindsets and world views. These placement companies make their money by shuffling a select number of people between a limited number of companies. By excluding many talented people, they artificially limit the market and thereby raise compensation demands that increase their fees.

I do not think that many top executives from Citicorp, Bank of America, AIG, General Motors and other companies will be able to find comparable jobs at the currently profitable Goldman Saks or JP Morgan. There are a limited number of top management positions in any large organization. They might find new positions in a host of other private companies if those hiring committees think their experience in destroying their former companies is really a desirable and transferable talent. I wish no one ill if they choose to change employers but I strongly believe that this “brain drain” claim is completely baseless and arrogant.

Only in the U.S. are the top executive compensation packages (including salaries, bonuses and stock options) at our largest multinational and domestic-based corporations hundreds or even thousands of times greater than the average employee working at those same companies. This vast income disparity simply does not exist with large corporations in Europe, Japan, India, and China – and even with most middle-sized and smaller American enterprises. In fact, most of our largest private corporations have been out-competed and beaten by these foreign or smaller domestic ventures for more than a decade.

The U.S. has relied upon and still looks to our small businesses to create more than half of the new jobs in this country. Our too-big-to-fail large companies only succeed and survive when they distort and manipulate the free market capitalist system by rigging the playing field. They use their large monetary caches to buy out competitors and in bribing top governmental officials around the world to ensure they get special treatment at the expense of everyone else.

Talented individuals rise to leadership positions because they are always looking for new challenges, thinking differently from old management, and are open to starting their own companies to escape the ossification of their former employers. Their driving force is wrapped up in the whole process of creating, inventing, marketing, improving and expanding. Large financial rewards are secondary and follow years of hard work with many failures along the way. Millions of people around the U.S. and the world are just aching for the right opportunity.

What we really need to get us out of this deep recession is a significant Federal investment in new technologies, start-up ventures, and expanding all types of smaller companies by means of grants and loans between $50,000 and $500,000. Apart from large transportation infrastructure investments, our Federal government would do best by putting money into the hands of many different young and old entrepreneurs and creative individuals instead of transferring billions of wasted dollars to our failed financial and banking institutions who happen to be large campaign contributors. It has become painfully obvious that our large private financial and banking institutions are not interested in making such productive long-term investments. They prefer short-term high-risk non-productive pursuits that are based upon a rigged gambling casino where they possess insider information.

Many of the top executives at large established companies never started any enterprise from scratch. They parade around building “resumes” from top universities and pad them later with work at various enterprises thanks to the connections of friends and family. Too many have little understanding of what many departments actually do in their companies, and they rely upon others in their organizations, including accountants, attorneys, financial managers, and their sales forces to cover for their well-hidden incompetence.

These “top producers” use their intelligence and manipulative skills to excel at office politics, and readily engage in subterfuge, career sabotage of perceived rivals, creative lying, and stealing the good ideas of others. They are extremely self-centered, narcissistic individuals totally devoid of consciences and incapable of any empathy for others or remorse for their actions that intentionally hurt others. Psychiatrists and psychologists call these people sociopaths – some of the most dangerous creatures on the planet. We could all live quite well without them.

Marc Pascal

  • Father_Time
    This was so perfectly written that I cannot add a darn thing.

    It indirectly, but conspicuously exposes Capitalism, or the unregulated free reign of it, as the greatest internal threat to the United States that now exists.

    Have a sit Mr. Greenspan, and, tell us about the markets “regulating themselves” again.
  • I think Thom Hartmann is onto something here - the thing that makes executives of large corporations special is that they must be sociopaths.
  • Silhouette
    "Some of our private sector oligarchs are so narcissistic, greedy and arrogant that they think that most human talent is limited to a very small number of them. Having worked in many large and small business enterprises directly or as a consultant, I have noticed many excellent people in middle management or as Junior Vice-Presidents would be great to promote because they are hidden great leaders merely overlooked by those above them in the organization." ~Marc Pascal
    **********
    I agree with Father Time except I'll add this correction. If those upper crust in the business do actually suffer from malignant Narcissistic Personality Disorder {NPD}, then the great and talented middle management folk are not merely overlooked, but instead actively kept there on purpose.

    Anyone older than 25 has seen how most companies work. The top brass almost always has a "Dickhead" or "Witch" or ten in its ranks and those people almost always suffers from mental illness. Often it's NPD. The disease is worth a read. In fact, instead of reading any books authored by W. Bush, I'd recommend reading a manual on NPD instead to get the real picture of what the dynamics were between him and his ego-stroker/puppet master Cheney.

    I digress...lol..sort of ...

    These companies took money from a lender. That lender is We The People. So We have a right to set conditions on that loan, just like when they loan other people money they tag on conditions. Are they saying their own practices don't apply to the loans we made them? I agree. Bullshit.
  • Father_Time
    I like this so much, that with your permission, I am going to print this out, (including by-line), and frame it for my office.
  • AustinRoth
    What a load of populist crap posing as analysis.
  • tidbits
    This piece makes some interesting points. But, when one drifts into the realm of over-generalization, it does approach the arena of "populist crap", to quote AR.

    There are some sociopaths and narcissists in top executive positions with large corporations. They do not comprise the entire compliment, or even a majority, of such executives. Many are talented. Many are active in their communities. Many are dealing with issues not of their making, like legacy costs from prior arrangements, that make profitability nearly impossible. In the financial sector, let us not forget the pressure from Washington to expand home ownership that led to many of these unsustainable financial products. To simply blame one small group of individuals, and in the process paint them with the uniform broad brush of sociopathology and narcissism, will give us a devil to hate, but it will not solve the problems that need to be solved.

    Limiting executive compensation, while politically popular, is uniquely unuseful in solving broader problems like unemployment, financial instability or losing ground in the global economy. It will not add workers to payrolls or maintain the dollar as the accepted world currency in the oil and precious metal markets. More likely to be helpful would be a page from Teddy Roosevelt's book of breaking up (by allowing them to fail and be reorganized) some companies rather than accepting that they are "too big to fail". That we have bought into the "too big to fail" myth is far more problematic long term than executive compensation. AT&T was once thought to be "too big to fail", and it's breakup into smaller more robust companies was predicted to have dire consequences. Some of those companies did fail; most did not; and today we have the best communications systems in the world.

    We need to be careful that, in our haste to find demons, we do not forget to address the problems.





  • JSpencer
    You're right Marc, the Peter Principle has been in operating in warp drive for some time now - and on too many fronts. Our country has been ravaged by greed and incompetence over the past couple decades (Silhouette has also been making this point) but as usual the piper gets paid by those who contributed least to the problems. Meanwhile the culprits walk away happy and obscenely compensated. Needless to say, a great many politicians have been complicit in furthering the trend, some actively and some by turning their backs on the problem.
  • CStanley
    Hear, hear, tidbits.
  • JSpencer
    "We need to be careful that, in our haste to find demons, we do not forget to address the problems." ~ tidbits

    Agreed, but given the access to the power and influence enjoyed by these people (think law firms, lobbyists, accounting firms, etc.) compared to the other 90% of the electorate, I suspect your concerns aren't terribly warranted.





  • DLS
    Thom Hartmann ("everything was wonderful in the Sixties and Seventies -- then ALONG CAME REAGAN...") is engaging in his typical hyperbole and leftist temper tantrums (not even anywhere as "directed" as professionally-controversial Ann Coulter), when engaging in low-IQ class warfare and firing a salvo of typical envy and resentment.

    What Hartmann has said before, related to this topic, that has been interesting (better demagoguery) has been to replace complaints about the "service economy" or its bubble-brain recent replacement, "information economy" with "finance economy," i.e., involving a vast army of parasitic money-movers or paper-handlers.

    As to the pay issue, obviously it's a disastrous and sinister precedent for the federal government to claim and then exercise the right to command pay levels. What other pay edicts will come next, and other business policy or conduct edicts will come next, won't, or I should say these days given lefty levels of thought, shouldn't be surprising. (Nor should be federal officials rather than just their approval of new officials, on boards of directors, and later managers; nor should be federal corporate charters in addition to vast new regulations by ObamaCo in addition to any actual laws passed by Congress, many of which will exploit envy and resentment among many libs and Dems, including the Still Obamaniac Faithful.)

    Even on left-media sources like CNN the word already is out that institutions other than those subject to these pay commands are openly planning to poach people, who could easily get twice as much (if not more) pay elsewhere once these pay regs go into effect.
  • DLS
    "Many of the top executives at large established companies never started any enterprise from scratch. They parade around building “resumes” from top universities and pad them later with work at various enterprises thanks to the connections of friends and family."

    Sounds like government, and the typical big-city situation like Chicago.
  • tidbits
    JSpencer -

    The issue I have with your reply can be summed up in two words that you used, "these people."

    Law firms, lobbyists, accounting firms, corporate executives are not "these people". "They" are not monolithic, but rather individuals with varying goals, social awareness, public conscience.

    I'll speak personally to make my point. In the course of chairing one of the largest national health charities in the US, I have had the opportunity to meet and work with many of "these people". Some were nasty bits of work, but just some. My contacts included CEO's from such varied industries as major commercial airlines, oil and gas, telecommunications, information and entertainment, high tech, global shipping and packaging, paper products, financial, automotive, real estate development and God knows who I am forgetting. We also had, and still have, a full time lobbying office in D.C. to advance government funded research, and law firms around the country as well as accounting firms to audit books.

    Here's an interesting bit. To the extent I found narcissists along the way, some though not all came from the liberal wing of the entertainment industry. But, what I really found was that "these people" were individuals, each unique in his or her own right.

    It isn't us against "these people". We're all in a mess together. And many of "these people" are precisely the ones we need to help find solutions. We should be looking for ways to work together to problem solve rather than adopting an "us against them" approach. Just my view.
  • JSpencer
    All hand-wringing and partisan blather aside, the folks in positions of great money and power are not, nor will ever be, in any danger from a "disastrous and sinister precedent" (please, that almost made coffee go up my nose) that tries to remedy the sort of obscenities that prompted fed action. To imagine otherwise shows either much naivete, or willingness to engage in what our resident partisan extremist refers to as "low-IQ class warfare"... a description to which I would only add the adjective, "disingenuous".
  • AustinRoth
    JS - you seem to have no problem with concept of the government controlling the maximum people can earn. I know right now it is aimed at a populist target, but 'for the good of the economy and in the name of fairness', this easily leads to expanded wage control over time.

    It is indeed the slippery slope argument, and it is a valid argument to make. If you reject that that even exists, then you really are burying your head in the sand from the lessons of the history of ever expanding government power and control, and from the obvious desire of this administration to directly micromanage and control the economy.
  • JSpencer
    tidbits, (and AR) the dangers of generalization apply across the board. The people I'm talking about exist, as do the people you're talking about, but alarmist talk about government take-over of wages is little more than alarmist talk. Consider how difficult even a little thing like minimum wage is to implement. The people you are going to bat for have nothing to fear. . . except perhaps moving one brand down in the luxury auto market... although I doubt even that much of a "slippery slope" will occur.
  • tidbits
    JSpencer -

    Can't speak for AR, but I'm not going to bat for anyone. It is simply important, in my view, not to generalize but rather to treat people with equal respect and recognize their individuality. Of course, the people you are talking about exist, but they are not the entire class of corporate executives or law firms or accountants or lobbyists that you want to suggest.

    Why do you find it necessary to have a defined class of enemies? How does that help?
  • DLS
    Anyone with a working mind knows this, and examples of what it can do next aren't limited to what I've already listed, but this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/16/weekinreview/...

    http://www.alternet.org/workplace/62507/

    Pizzigati is well-known here in the USA (I have his book on the subject), but it's known elsewhere, too.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/aug/06/...

    "Varley is fond of using the example of footballers pay to defend bank bonuses. But football managers get sacked. Varley himself earned more than £1m as the banking system crashed around him in 2008. Time to blow for a foul and show a maximum-wage card to those bringing the economic game into disrepute."

    http://neftriplecrunch.wordpress.com/2009/08/07...
  • DaGoat
    Certainly there is a slippery slope argument here with the government placing caps on salaries - traditionally salary has been limited only by the demand for someone's services, not by the government.

    In this case however I have very little sympathy for the executives of these companies, or the companies themselves. When they accepted bailout money they accepted all the strings that came attached, and those strings should be considerable. This should be the Doomsday option for a company, not business as usual. It's perfectly appropriate to limit salaries in this situation. These companies sold their souls to the devil and should pay the price.
  • DLS
    "I have very little sympathy for the executives of these companies, or the companies themselves."

    Few of us have such sympathy. Nor do we have sympathy for the Detroit automakers and their self-directed failure over more than a generation (even many people here in Detroit metro, partial to local or state sides on some issues, have been frequently critical of the auto companies, executives, and the UAW on the local radio programming), but those of us who grasp the real issues and have a properly moral stance on them object even more than the to the bailout, to the federal takeover and the federal command and control there (including the firing of Wagoner, whom many conveniently used as an example of Detroit's failure, personified, by the federal "overseers"). Many proceeded to remark that they were concerned that the company wouldn't be managed to run a profit, but would be a play-pen for petty dictators and silly environmentalists and their related policy games.
  • JSpencer
    Tidbits, point taken. It wasn't my intent to mischaracterize your views. Of course a certain amount of generalizing is impossible to avoid when we are talking about large groups of people. That said, I don't have a "defined class of enemies". What I do have are opinions about standards of behavior for people in what we like to think is a civilized society, and how democracy either benefits or loses because of that behavior.
  • DLS
    "It's perfectly appropriate to limit salaries in this situation. These companies sold their souls to the devil and should pay the price."

    The problem is that it's the devil we're talking about, the real issue, and the devil may not stop here. Putting un-American slavery-like conditions on these specific companies, bailout recipients, is both technically and logically defensible, at least in a vacuum. This already has been exploited by typical low-IQ populist demagoguery, that "the people" (as in "People's Republic," which is neither), as "owners" of these companies, have the right to so direct the companies. Actually, it's more down-to-earth, in reality: the federal government bailed them out, and has the right to impose conditions on these companies in exchange, as a real shareholder if not merely as a "symbolic" [gag] shareholder by nature of the bailout commitment (gift!). Note that this introduces itself another slippery slope, indeed, something that has been a controversy for years, already. Any federal assistance therefore, confers such rights on the federal government, to make any and all kinds of decisions about operating the recipients of this kind of assistance. And, of course, it's not limited to this kind of assistance, but to financial aid of any kind, as has been argued about education -- and it even involves the case of indirection, that this applies even if the institutions themselves aren't direct recipients of aid but at least one of their students is (or any single employee of a business, or even a customer, by the same logic in the business world!). This makes anyone involved indirectly with anybody receiving federal aid of any kind, which can include federal welfare payments (including Social Security disability or Medicaid if only true "relief" is an issue), or extended to subsidies or any kind of assistance -- or could be as easily extended theoretically to include anybody receiving any federal benefit payments of any kind (anyplace that the elderly visit or patronize, for example -- Social Security and Medicare), or could be theoretically extended to include anyone receiving any federal funds or benefits from them, which means any federal citizens or people not citizens but benefiting from them. And in fact it could be an extension of civil rights law logic (beyond hate crimes and other thought-crimes and political approaches to behavioral control) to everybody simply for being in the USA.

    That's where the slippery slope, which obviously exists, leads, complete with its rationalization or claimed pretexts, right there before everyone, if they are intellectually competent and they are honest.
  • DLS
    "These companies sold their souls to the devil and should pay the price."

    Final note: "Pay the price" is satisfied by repaying the bailout funds (at which point there is no more basis for argument in favor of federal controls of any kind contemplated or now initiated). All that would require is additional corporate income taxes to satisfy this (or separate payments, which might or might not be tax deductible; making them deductible would be controversial), or the equivalent of "garnishment" applied to these companies, taken directly out of gross receipts, accounts receiveable, or (a bureaucrat's dream) suitable (and documented, and throughly processed) direct payments to Washington instead of to the companies by major creditors and customers, ordinarily paying the companies instead.
  • Zzzzz
    The actual enforcement of antitrust legislation (including a restatement of a lot of Glass-Stengal) would go a loooong way toward cleaning up the financial industry, the media, and so many other out of control corporate environments. Power corrupts. Nothing good can come of companies having higher profits than the GDP of most countries.

    To AS, slippery slope arguments are bogus arguments. It isn't true that the rules move an inch, and boom, eveything slides in an inevitably bad direction. Every movement is debated. Every inch is contested. Law, rules, etc are all about drawing lines.

    These companies accepted govenment cash to stay afloat. They sold their souls, and now they need to pay. That puts the incentives in the correct direction. For all the hand-wringing about moral hazards from the right, you simultaneously hear howling about protecting the poor CEO's who were forced to take that government money. That is ridiculous. If you don't want the moral hazard, then you should be supporting every effort to make the lives of the executives who made this decision pure misery. Make it so they would rather do ANYTHING than be bailed out by the government.
  • JSpencer
    "slavery-like conditions"

    so much for any semblance of serious commentary
  • DLS
    "actual enforcement of antitrust legislation (including a restatement of a lot of Glass-Stengal)"

    * * *

    "so much for"

    ... Among the immature or dishonest, or those over their head, but that's not my problem.
  • DaGoat
    DLS I see my position as pro-capitalism. Government bailouts are not capitalism. What AIG, GM, etc did was not capitalism.

    The government should have little if any say over companies that play by the rules and succeed on their own merits. The companies we are talking about are a different story - they accepted government funds to rescue them from failure. They thought they could take our money and still play by the same rules, with no strings attached. IMO they should be under significant restrictions for some time, and that should include executive compensation.

    I agree with you on the auto bailout by the way. The government should not be involved in rescuing bad companies.
  • Father_Time
    As capitalism goes, we are the extreme, not the norm in the world. It has clearly gotten to the point of being dangerous to our nation. Capitalism trumps nothing, the will of the people and the survival of the state trumps everything. Societal morays regarding “generalization” is completely irrelevant.

    In General, the nation was screwed because in General, business leaders are self centered jackasses. Therefore we must make laws and regulation, that in General, prevent or deter THESE PEOPLE Generally in control of our General economy.
  • DLS
    "they accepted government funds to rescue them from failure [...] IMO they should be under significant restrictions for some time, and that should include executive compensation."

    I understand completely the logic behind attaching any and all kinds of strings to the bailout money. It could also include more conventional (though far from uncontroversial) measures such as becoming the shareholders of all these companies (with complete voting rights), for example. I just fear that a) the executive pay is an additional intervention, two wrongs as well as punishing the earlier wrong of the bailout, originally; and b) this will be viewed as a precedent for more intervention without any bailout or other rationale, or a lesser rationale, in the future.
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