An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right

Everybody Loves the Public Option! errr… sort of

Proponents of government run health care are already cheering the definitive, solid as a rock, above question results of a new Washington Post / ABC poll which indicates that 57% of Americans favor a so called “public option” in any proposed health insurance reform. Well, that certainly settles that once and for all, doesn’t it?

Not so fast, skippy. (Courtesy of Hot Air)

My first clue that the new WaPo/ABC poll had big problems in its sampling came from question 38 of the raw data released by ABC last night, the generic Congressional ballot. Most polls have that within the margin of error; both Rasmussen and Pew have it at a dead heat. The WaPo/ABC survey has Democrats winning that matchup by twelve points, 51%/39%.

The sampling comprises 33% Democrats, as opposed to only 20% Republicans. That thirteen-point spread is two points larger than their September polling, at 32%/21%. More tellingly, it’s significantly larger than their Election Day sample, which included 35% Democrats to 26% Republicans for a gap of nine points, about a third smaller than the gap in this poll. Of course, that’s when they were more concerned about accuracy over political points of view.

Who is commissioning these polls? I mean, I don’t expect every one of them to peg the bullseye on each shot, but you’d think they could come in somewhere in the general vicinity of the generic ballot spread, wouldn’t you?

This same poll showed that 45% of those surveyed approved of the “broad outlines of the proposals now moving in Congress” while 48% were opposed. I suppose that should have tipped us off right there. Then again, this is the same outfit that gave Obama a more than 55% approval rating this week, while Gallup and Rassmussen both still have him in the mid to upper 40’s.

Curiouser and curiouser, Alice. But the wide, wonderful world of polling has always been a rather dark trip through a murky tunnel, so take from it what you will.

  • Davebo
    This same poll showed that 45% of those surveyed approved of the “broad outlines of the proposals now moving in Congress” while 48% were opposed. I suppose that should have tipped us off right there.


    Could that have something to do with the fact that the most publicized proposal, the Baucus plan, does not include a public option? Seems to me to be entirely consistent with the stated support for the public option.

    Then again, this is the same outfit that gave Obama a more than 55% approval rating this week, while Gallup and Rassmussen both still have him in the mid to upper 40’s.


    Actually no. Gallup has Obama approval at 50% this week down from 51%.
  • DLS
    Pew has usually been good -- it currently says this. (Public option has 55% support, which continues to be what it has been all this time in the real world.)


    "Regarding health care reform, many of the key provisions remain popular though support for the overall package has slipped. More people now generally oppose the health care reform proposals in Congress (47%) than favor them (34%). This represents a decline in support for health care reform since mid-September, shortly after President Obama’s nationally televised address to Congress on the issue.

    Nonetheless, large percentages continue to support many of the essential elements of legislation being considered. Two-thirds (66%) favor mandating that all Americans have health insurance, with the government providing financial help for those unable to afford it. Nearly six-in-ten (59%) favor requiring employers to pay into a government health care fund if they do not provide health insurance coverage to their employees. A similar majority (58%) also favors raising taxes on families with incomes of more than $350,000 as a way to pay for reforms. And 55% say they favor a government health insurance plan to compete with private plans, which is largely unchanged from late July (52%).

    The disconnect [sic; "disconnection"] between support for specific elements of health care legislation and overall opposition to the proposals in Congress appears to be driven by a lack of understanding about what is being proposed, the complexity of the topic, and declining trust in Congress. ..."


    http://people-press.org/report/551/
  • Silhouette
    Yeah, I'm sure only 55% of americans don't want to have to pay large monthly premiums, high deductables and be on the knife's edge of being disqualified should any of their family get really sick or come to the table with a pre-existing condition. And those other "45"% who "don't" want the Public Option are just fine paying for costly ER visits for the 50 million uninsured and rising. I'm sure those fiscally conservative people so opposed to the Public Option have sat down and done the math, weighing preventative care and access for minor issues vs trauma care when an illness/disease/injury has gone on too long untreated due to not being able to afford insurance.

    The Public Option will save money, will provide care for those who don't have it and relieve small business employers of this unmanageable burden. It will boost the GNP, put people to work and save countless lives. So yeah, I'm sure the polls were reflective of what people are really thinking..

    Not..
  • DLS
    Welcome to reality, again, if only you'll enter sometime, Sil.

    The "83% loves the public option" lies on the extremist fringe anti-tea-party lefties' signs were only lies.

    Normal people don't naively or stupidly believe government will instantly make everything better. They harbor more intelligent thoughts and concerns that (especially at the hands of the more extreme fools we have doing things in Washington currently) they are able and probably likely to make things worse than they are now.

    Low to mid fifties per cent support for the public option (which no doubt involves many uninsured and "underinsured" people, which biases or skews the proportion upward "artificially" from what it otherwise would be) has been the rule all along, with perhaps half of these people or so at most being the kind of strong proponents, those such as you who not only support but insist on a public option.

    The burden of proof is on proponents of government interventionism, as it always has been and should be. The real question currently is the matter of degree of concern and threats Washington presents to us, and what the politicians will do to try to assuage these. (Silly lies only satisfy silly, easily fooled people, or those who want the intended result no matter what. The rest of us expect much better.)
  • Jim_Satterfield
    Ed's analysis of the poll is hilarious. It's biased because there are fewer Republicans. Well, guess what, Jazz? There are fewer self-identified Republicans than ever with polls generally putting the figure at about 20%. So how the heck is a poll that has about that figure in their sample biased? It's not. Hot Air is precisely that, the blogosphere equivalent of Fox News. What I'll take from it is that Ed is as hyperpartisan as Beck nowadays.
  • DaMav
    Asking people if they want ObamaCare without including a price tag is like asking people if they want a new car. Who is going to say no? Asking if they want the "Public Option" is like asking if they want an option to buy power seats. Again, who is going to say no?

    Divorced from price and implications by the simple wording of the question, the remarkable thing is that the support for both isn't over 90%.

    The real question is "Do you want a company to compete with the private sector, set up and run by the government in which taxpayers would provide unlimited reserves and bail out all shortfalls? Let's see how that one does. (Yeah, I know, in theory the 'public option' will be funded by premiums after it becomes operational. How's that working out with Amtrack?)
  • DLS
    "Asking people if they want ObamaCare without including a price tag is like asking people if they want a new car."

    Consider the "people" (it's not everybody) who are subjected and susceptible to that approach.
blog comments powered by Disqus
© 2005-2009 The Moderate Voice | Site design by Elegant Themes | Site customization, hosting, and security by Enxit Group, LLC