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Quote of the Day: New Poll Shows Republicans Shouldn’t Be Giddy Yet About Obama’s Political Fortunes

Our political Quote of the Day comes from the a Chris Cillizza Washington Post piece on a new poll which he notes has some big, fat, warning flags to Republicans who think that they have Barack Obama and the Demmies on the political ropes:

Republicans in Washington can barely contain their glee at the turn of President Obama’s political fortunes in the first nine months of the year but a new Washington Post/ABC News poll suggests the GOP still faces serious perception problems in the eyes of the American public.

Less than one in five voters (19 percent) expressed confidence in Republicans’ ability to make the right decisions for America’s future while a whopping 79 percent lacked that confidence.

Among independent voters, who went heavily for Obama in 2008 and congressional Democrats in 2006, the numbers for Republicans on the confidence questions were even more worse. Just 17 percent of independents expressed confidence in Republicans’ ability to make the right decision while 83 percent said they did not have that confidence.

(While Obama’s numbers on the confidence question weren’t amazing — 49 percent confident/50 percent not confident — they were far stronger than those for Republicans.)

This is part and parcel of the GOP strategy, which has been to offer reasons to oppose but not offering a comprehensive, viable alternative on some policies — alternatives that would appeal to Americans who aren’t talk radio or cable political show fans. Being enmeshed in the talk radio political culture means presenting aggressive arguments against a policy or, often, a heavy dose of snark. That can help fuel opposition and outright resistance. But in terms of offering an affirmative alternative, the GOP is falling short. MORE:

On the generic ballot question, 51 percent of the sample said they would cast a vote for a Democratic candidate in their congressional district next fall while just 39 percent said they would opt for a GOP candidate. (As late as this summer, Republicans had seemingly narrowed the wide generic ballot lead Democrats enjoyed for much of the last two election cycles.)

This number — no matter how it falls — can be seen as less significant since if there is ire against Congress in general then there could be many votes against whomever holds the seat, regardless of party. But it again shows that the GOP is not making its case sufficiently beyond its own party base. It’s shoring up its supporters but not increasing its [support.

More evidence of that:

And, perhaps most troubling for GOP hopes is the fact that just 20 percent of the Post sample identified themselves as Republicans, the lowest that number has been in Post polling since 1983. (No, that is not a typo.)
These numbers, coming roughly one year before the 2010 midterm elections, show that any celebration on the GOP’s behalf is premature as the party has yet to convince most voters that it can be a viable alternative to Democratic control in Washington today.

Cillizza is correct in saying that the GOP needs to convince most voters that it is a “viable” alternative.

But it is also worth adding that part of this is that it has not convinced Americans not already in the GOP choir that the present incarnation of GOP high-profile-media faces (which include legislators and media types such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck) can offer an affirmative alternative.

Cillizza has one of the best summaries of the poll. He has more to say, so go to the link to read it in full.

Most news from this poll centered on its latest reading of how the public views the “public option” in the health care reform debate. MSNBC’s First Read notes:

Wow, did the Washington Post pump up a very minor uptick when it comes to the public option. Last month in the Post/ABC poll, 55% supported the idea (in the way they worded it); this month, that number is 57%. But today’s headline (“Public option gains support”) is all public option advocates will need. Will the poll be a turning point in the Senate/White House merger negotiations as they wrestle with whether to include some form of a public option in the bill that’s offered on the floor? To be fair, this is the fourth time when majorities in the Post/ABC poll have favored the public option. Perhaps that is what the paper was trying to point out…

And it’s trite to say it, but let’s say it again:

Polls are mere snapshots in time. Partisans who like a finding will sometimes hype them; partisans who don’t will attack the poll’s methodology, which they usually don’t attack when they’re happy about the same company’s poll findings. But polls can shift quickly. The key is the trending on the polls.

  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    I would personally like to thank Beck and Rush for doing their part to ensure that Dem losses in 2010 are slight and that Obama is re-elected fin 2012. I would also like to thank all that are pushing for purity since these are your wins to, after all you are working for them.
  • DaMav
    Gallup, based on nearly 30,000 aggregate surveys a month found in August that the Democrat lead over Republicans was 5%, down from a 17% advantage in January. And that is based on adults, not likely voters. Self identified Republicans were 28%, Democrats 34% -- a gap of 6.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/122693/Democratic-Ad...

    Rasmussen, based on ~ 45,000 interviews over a 3 month period has the split at 37.2% Democrats, 32.7% Republicans, and 30.1% unaffiliated updated monthly.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/...
    The last I checked, the Republicans had gained ground throughout the year on the generic Congressional preference and led the Democrats by four points.

    Bottom line: Democrats shouldn't be too giddy yet over Republican political fortunes.
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    Giddy, no and they will lose some seats but it will be nothing compared to 1994 and anything less than that will be considered a loss by many on their side since that will not shift the balance of power much. I think the Repubs will gain power just very slowly a few seats per election, unless that is something major changes. Also in the under 30 age group the Repubs are sitting at 0-8% approval and these voters will be reaching their 30's when most get politically active over the next ten years. So I think they will make small slow gains but unless they change the gains will become smaller and what they have to do for them will be larger each election cycle.
  • DLS
    What is stated by this thread (at its beginning) has been true and well-known since February. It is not news.

    What remains to be seen is if ObamaCo and the Congre-Dems dig themselves out of the hole they've made for themselves or if they'll dig it deeper (not being content for everyone but Fox to be their own arm, which they'll never admit, they'll continue to express hatred for righty talkers and for Fox, as well as tighten control over how they want their own vast liberal media to behave and to say -- which, as Helen Thomas noted aloud, even Nixon never did). How they resolve their left-Dem overreach-created self-destruction with health care "reform" remains the paramount issue to Americans (with other economic follies, such as with more "stimulus" waste-and-worse, or energy political lunacy, or regulatory nonsense ready to become issue #1 depending on Dem misconduct, not to mention the importance of Afghanistan).

    Most of note right now is how the Demmies rescue themselves (more so) as well as health care "reform."
  • JeffersonDavis
    Be careful, MSF. That's just the type of giddiness that the article talks about with the GOP. Beck is doing more toward third-party aspirations. Hannity and Limbaugh are the GOP mouthpieces (among others). The 2010 elections will lead to a more even split in both houses IMHO. And I REALLY like even splits in Washington.
  • DaGoat
    What I'm seeing with polls on the public option is if the question is just asked about the general concept of a public option, people are open to it. If specifics are given as to potential costs to fund a public option, support drops. Polls such as this one are pretty useless when they ask about a public option with no strings attached.
  • merkin
    Not noted in this post is that approval of the President dropped 18% among self-described liberals. Presumably this is an affect of his attempts to find common ground with the few moderate Republicans and somewhat more numerous conservative Democrats.

    It is to his credit that he has continued to reach out to these people. It is these attempts at bipartisanship that could finally appeal to more swing voters and which would pose the greatest threat to the just say no crowd. `One can hope it would be enough to force them to actually participate again.

    I am more than a little bit amazed that he had it in him.
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    I do as well, and for the record I would only like the Dems to keep the majority for one more term to re-balance a very right leaning ship. After that I think 2012 would be a wonderful time for Repubs to take back the legislature but I fail to see how Obama can lose with the current demographics and his strong and stable support. Bush was sitting in the high 30's to late 40's when he began campaigning to put himself just above 50% which is where Obama is now. Many things will happen between now and then but he would have to screw a rather large pooch on nation wide tv for him to lose without a game changer that has yet to happen nor a strong and compelling candidate(remember Obama was being whispered about right after his 2004 speech, I know I was one of the whisperer's) which has yet to emerge. In fact some of the most compelling candidates have chosen to join his administration, which again points to him staying in power.

    I also think if the Repubs pick up the house and senate by 2012-2014 they may keep it but in trade may lose the 2016 election due to rising Dem popularity, again unless he screws that pooch hard enough for everyone to see. If it sounds like I am jaded it is because I am, I waited for our nation to send a man who lied us into war and many other things his walking papers and to bring in a boring man with true war credentials. But it did not happen, incumbency has advantages and to avoid disappointment it would be wise to keep it in mind.

    As for Rush and Beck first it is my suspicion that Beck will act like all other "libertarian" talk show hosts that are actually repubs but refuse to say it when the party is unpopular, he will say that the best option is to vote for the repub candidate(this is how Mike Pence used to do it who is now a Repub on capitol hill that acts nothing like a libertarian) at which point many will follow him but he will lose part of his audience since this is an old trick and only people that have not seen it will be fooled. Otherwise he may very well split from Rush and Hannity to start a third party but that third party will pull most of its votes from the Repub party since the left/dems and right wing fearing moderates will vote for the "grown up" (this is the danger of both sides acting nutty he is viewed as the grown up which is how Reagan won as well). Beck could put his stamp on the movement though and they could eclipse the Repub party within 2-3 election cycles but it will involve more Dem power years, though in the end I think it would be a better party possibly. The other oddity will be if the new party picks up house/senate seats, if so 3 major parties will be sitting in the legislature cutting deals and the Dems will be the only one with any true power which is a bit worrisome.

    At this point I am thinking the political sweet spot is a Dem president and a GOP house/senate but not until we have unraveled the last guys messes number one and not until the Repubs will see it as a chance to prove they can govern instead of a chance to impeach Obama for no other reason then they do not like him which just wastes money and time, see the 90's.
  • rachelmap
    Oh, I disagree. I think the Republicans should be giddy; they should celebrate Obama's declining poll numbers with utmost abandon. And while they're at it, they should primary all of their more moderate representatives vigorously, too.
  • shannonlee
    It is a midterm election...the party in the white house is going to poll poorly and lose seats...nothing new here. Reps shouldn't be happy about history repeating itself. They have had very little to do with Obama's declining numbers. They should be happy about stopping his agenda...with almost no legislative power, but they need to watch their methods. Becoming the party of NO has been very bad for them. If they continue to be the party of NO, they won't have a chance in 2012. Right now, I don't even see a future leader of the party....there is just a massive void right now. Who is the future face of the Rep party???
  • AustinRoth
    Yes, bad news for Republicans is always even worse than it looks and great news for Democrats; bad news for Democrats is also actually great news for Democrats!

    I think I have it now.
  • I agree with you. The more Obama's poll numbers go down, the better it looks for the Republicans.

    -Nikki-
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    I think it is more that the Repubs are not gaining traction but seem to be losing it in all but the generic ballot which should be very worrisome for them coming into 2010. They will win seats but they will probably not win a large amount and this is not due to popularity or polls but the seats that are actually up for election that year, to win big they need to be well ahead of the dems due to the security of the open seats. In 1994 the dems were set for a blood bath without NAFTA enraging the unions and without the health care debacle. In 2010 they are actually in a semi safe position and it looks like health care will pass(I have to see what actually passes before I can guess if it will help or hurt them but not passing it would have hurt them in a big way) and I do not see a NAFTA like trade bill on the horizon. Also if dems hold off until 2010, as they have said they would, for immigration reform that will force the immigrant community to come out in force to fight the anti-immigration waves that will head to the polls(by wave I mean the media will talk about it that way because that will get the most ratings) likely saying things that will upset the immigrant community. Then in 2010 if they do pass immigration reform and it is not a complete and public debacle they are pretty safe in 2012 because the immigrant community will rally around Obama like they rallied around Reagan. 2012 could be a good year for Repubs for the house or senate though in certain areas of the country. In a normal time period any dem loss is a repub gain but in this current climate any dem loss looks more like a third party win or a voter that just will not vote which does not help the minority party gain power.
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    I read that totally differently, I thought they were saying "please primary your moderates and end any chance you have at making any gains in 2010." 57% approval is not a weak poll number unless your name is Dwight D. Eisenhower.
  • Leonidas
    One party getting in power only reminds the American people how much they dislike it, the longer in power the more the dislike builds. Divided government has usually resulted in the best results.
  • JeffersonDavis
    You're right, shannon. Midterms have always netted loss of seats for the party in power. One thing that is not being considered when the scale is calculated; is that the millions of Tea Party-types out there that are disenfranchised by both parties will show up en masse. Could be something to consider. Also, when dems are the ones in power, their base doesn't show up as dependably on off years.
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